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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:58 pm
karasureign Mitsh, there was no need to go and do a post background check. It was a petty call as much as flat-out saying he's lying was. That borders flaming, so do tone it down next time. ...If it illicits that kind of reaction or could, anyway. Sorry. I just thought it was comic that an immensely powerful being who roams the astral planes for hours at a time and has an astral wife also likes to engage in discussing what bands constitute "real" metal and participating in cute anime-based-website contests. Zalinzurai Understood I apologize. And Mitsh, I know that I am astral projecting and I don't have friends who have claimed to blow up planets, I have seen it. And very well if you truly wish to bring up personal matters such as my wife an, you have gone too far and now I will show you what I can do. That is, if you can even see/sense what's going on. Asrtral projecting one of my energy bodies to your house right now. Hokai. Some noticable phenomena would be nice, but if you can't manage that, I assume you'll be able to at least point out some stuff about the house I'm living in, my room, and so on, which I can then validate.
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:02 pm
Mitsh Zalinzurai Understood I apologize. And Mitsh, I know that I am astral projecting and I don't have friends who have claimed to blow up planets, I have seen it. And very well if you truly wish to bring up personal matters such as my wife an, you have gone too far and now I will show you what I can do. That is, if you can even see/sense what's going on. Asrtral projecting one of my energy bodies to your house right now. Hokai. Some noticable phenomena would be nice, but if you can't manage that, I assume you'll be able to at least point out some stuff about the house I'm living in, my room, and so on, which I can then validate. Well if you cannot feel that powerful energy around you, then something is up, I am refraining from taking the lives of innocents so I am not creating mass devastation. I am doing something a little different. Though I cannot be certain i am even in the right place, but it feels like I am. And my senses are not the best but I will try to prove my point that I am not lying about anything I say.
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:05 pm
Zalinzurai Mitsh Zalinzurai Understood I apologize. And Mitsh, I know that I am astral projecting and I don't have friends who have claimed to blow up planets, I have seen it. And very well if you truly wish to bring up personal matters such as my wife an, you have gone too far and now I will show you what I can do. That is, if you can even see/sense what's going on. Asrtral projecting one of my energy bodies to your house right now. Hokai. Some noticable phenomena would be nice, but if you can't manage that, I assume you'll be able to at least point out some stuff about the house I'm living in, my room, and so on, which I can then validate. Well if you cannot feel that powerful energy around you, then something is up, I am refraining from taking the lives of innocents so I am not creating mass devastation. I am doing something a little different. Though I cannot be certain i am even in the right place, but it feels like I am. And my senses are not the best but I will try to prove my point that I am not lying about anything I say. Have you considered maybe if I can't feel "powerful energy" around me... it might not be as powerful as you think? By all means, be specific about what you're doing rather than doing a cold-reading. There's plenty of ways you could perform some easily identifiable phenomena, and if you're powerful enough to make "spiritual Egypt" explode I'm sure you can knock over a cup of coffee or something.
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:10 pm
Don't be so naive. For me destroying a planet or a mountain is nothing, but making powers come to the physical realm is so much harder. And the presence you feel is probably dampened if you were spiritual it would probably feel a like a lot more. But lets see... I've increased spiritual gravity around your house (if it is your house even), made my energy and presence extremely strong, I stabbed you in the side once with a sword to see if you felt anything, and I bombarded your house with balls of energy, though I made it so nothing would be destroyed. I suppose I could try to do something physical but it would be very hard.
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:13 pm
Zalinzurai Don't be so naive. For me destroying a planet or a mountain is nothing, but making powers come to the physical realm is so much harder. And the presence you feel is probably dampened if you were spiritual it would probably feel a like a lot more. But lets see... I've increased spiritual gravity around your house (if it is your house even), made my energy and presence extremely strong, I stabbed you in the side once with a sword to see if you felt anything, and I bombarded your house with balls of energy, though I made it so nothing would be destroyed. I suppose I could try to do something physical but it would be very hard. Isn't it convenient that your presence is "dampened" by my being "spiritual", yet you'd need strong "senses" to detect any of this?Also... "spiritual gravity?" What's that supposed to be? Further, you bombared me with energy and stabbed me? If I can't feel any of this stuff, and you can't prove any of it happened... how on earth do you gauge that any of this is real? And yes, physical phenomena would be most appreciated. EDIT: My mistake, I think I misread your sentence.
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:22 pm
Spiritual gravity? It's exactly what it sounds like. The spiritual plane has gravity too, and I increased it. And you know what I don't even know why I'm bothering. I don't need to prove anything to you, all you're doing it managing to piss me off by telling me everything I see and feel, and hear, and sense to be true is not true, you're pretty much calling me blind, all because I can't prove this s**t to you? I know what I'm talking about it real and right. And what is SO hard to believe that a high powered being can have a wife in the spiritual plane, go on the internet and talk about music? You're on here are you not? Just because I have power and rank, does not mean that I am above all these things.
I'm trying but it's not like it's super easy. And I've been trying physical phenomena.
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:31 pm
Zalinzurai Spiritual gravity? It's exactly what it sounds like. The spiritual plane has gravity too, and I increased it. And you know what I don't even know why I'm bothering. I don't need to prove anything to you, all you're doing it managing to piss me off by telling me everything I see and feel, and hear, and sense to be true is not true, you're pretty much calling me blind, all because I can't prove this s**t to you? I know what I'm talking about it real and right. And what is SO hard to believe that a high powered being can have a wife in the spiritual plane, go on the internet and talk about music? You're on here are you not? Just because I have power and rank, does not mean that I am above all these things. I'm trying but it's not like it's super easy. And I've been trying physical phenomena. "Spiritual Gravity" leads me to believe that spiritual objects with no opposing force applied to them will freefall and accelerate at a greater rate towards the centre of that gravity. So... you tell me, what effects am I supposed to feel here? Now, you're going on about all these things you sense - can you tell me what the outside of my house looks like? What my room looks like? What I'm doing, wearing, eating? What books are on my shelf, the layout of the rooms in my house, the temperature of the room, what sounds are in the area? Yes, those things are pretty difficult to believe. And yes, I am here - but I don't claim to have an astral wife, nor do I claim to be able to explode astral regions that are "as real as" ones on our plane. It just seems like, for all you claim to be powerful... you don't actually have anything to show for it. But hey - you claim to have stabbed me in the side, so you should be able to come out with some details about my surroundings that you couldn't get off of someplace on the internet, so all is not lost. Ah well. I guess you were trolling after all.
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:39 pm
Mitsh Zalinzurai Spiritual gravity? It's exactly what it sounds like. The spiritual plane has gravity too, and I increased it. And you know what I don't even know why I'm bothering. I don't need to prove anything to you, all you're doing it managing to piss me off by telling me everything I see and feel, and hear, and sense to be true is not true, you're pretty much calling me blind, all because I can't prove this s**t to you? I know what I'm talking about it real and right. And what is SO hard to believe that a high powered being can have a wife in the spiritual plane, go on the internet and talk about music? You're on here are you not? Just because I have power and rank, does not mean that I am above all these things. I'm trying but it's not like it's super easy. And I've been trying physical phenomena. "Spiritual Gravity" leads me to believe that spiritual objects with no opposing force applied to them will freefall and accelerate at a greater rate towards the centre of that gravity. So... you tell me, what effects am I supposed to feel here? Now, you're going on about all these things you sense - can you tell me what the outside of my house looks like? What my room looks like? What I'm doing, wearing, eating? What books are on my shelf, the layout of the rooms in my house, the temperature of the room, what sounds are in the area? Yes, those things are pretty difficult to believe. And yes, I am here - but I don't claim to have an astral wife, nor do I claim to be able to explode astral regions that are "as real as" ones on our plane. It just seems like, for all you claim to be powerful... you don't actually have anything to show for it. But hey - you claim to have stabbed me in the side, so you should be able to come out with some details about my surroundings that you couldn't get off of someplace on the internet, so all is not lost. I can certainly try but I have a hard time seeing details. And what is so hard to believe me having an Astral wife? She left her physical body when she was young to find her soul mate, that was me, though she couldn't go back to her physical body without losing all of her memory of me, so now I try to spend a lot of my time trying to bring her to the physical plane. We got married in the spiritual world and I love her very much. I can see, feel, and hear her. Though sometimes it's very tough. And you telling me she is not real hurts. You are supposed to feel the increased gravity, like your body has gorwn heavier, or it is harder to breath, I don't know. I don't know why you're not feeling things but I am. Right now it feels like my astral body is on fire. I have no idea why. I'm feeling the effects of something. Hell, I'm not even sure I'm in the right house, i could be at someone completely different, you never gave me your name, specific location, or even what you look like so it was hard for me to track you in the first place. But I will "try" Are you wearing a black t-shirt and blue jeans? Or maybe the t-shirt is red? Either dark blue or black blankets on your bed.. A poster, or two on your walls... Can't tell what off, bands maybe, not sure.. If you are eating something, is it pizza?
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:49 pm
... I think the big point here is that Spiritual things aren't intrinsically linked or comparable to Physical things.
I think the main problem your having Nick is that you have to pay attention to how energy translates here. Its Very Dense your not going to be able to affect him by altering the Spiritual side of things only the physical.
This Does take alot of work and the energy levels needed aren't in any way comparable. If a person is shut out to the spiruitual world you aren't going to be able to reach them and if their will is as strong as yours they make the world around them static, they make it how they want it to be. You aren't taking factors into consideration because what you see... while it seems impressive is nothing compared to the skill and work that it takes to affect things here.
The spiritual world is like play dough... playing with play dough is easy... its fun and it looks pretty when your done but if you try to play with a rock the same way its not going to work. It takes a level of finesse to affect things here and it takes alot of energy and alot of knowledge.
I believe that you've seen the things you've seen but I don't think you've researched very much Why you've seen these things and the differences between realms.
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:50 pm
Hey - you're the one who apparently took it personally when I mentioned the astral-wife, dude; you came flying off through the aether to my house with all sorts of notions of being able to stab me and stuff; don't complain to me about not having gotten things you never asked for.
Regardless, your observations couldn't be further from the truth. Black hoody, black jeans, no t-shirt, beige, gold and brown sheets on bed, no posters at all whatsoever. I'm also the only person in the world who dislikes pizza, so that's a no go.
It's interesting that you say your "astral body" feels like it's on fire. I did a little thing just for shits and giggles to see if anything would happen - lo and behold, it did! So assumedly, if we're to assume any of this is true, I can affect you, but you can't affect me? Weird.
But the point is moot regardless; I think you're trolling.
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:54 pm
You know what? You have a knack for telling me the things that are on my mind.
AND I AM NOT TROLLING. I just have better senses then you I think. If someone stabs me spiritually or lights me on fire, I can usually feel it, but the fact that you can't feel the things I'm doing to you, is probably because your senses aren't as good. Or there is some other factor I'm not sure. Like i said though my sight is not the best especially with details, and even more so the details of the physical realm while I'm looking at them from the spiritual realm.
You know what? I'm done trying to prove myself to you because obviously it's not working. I might get another chance to prove myself, but until then I'm going to take a break for a while. Not from this guild necessarily, but from trying to prove myself to you at least. I will let you believe what you want, and I'm going to continue to stay strong and believe what I want.
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:12 pm
Scenario: Two guys get in a fight. The first one, A, punches the other, B. B feels nothing. B then punches A, and A goes reeling. Now, in this instance, are we really going to say that A was clearly the better person because he "has better senses" (with regards to pain) than B?
Anyway - thank you for your attempt. At least you didn't try to bullshit your way out of doing it. And sorry for calling you a troll - your act just seemed to possess astounding verisimilitude.
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Tsume Rokaro Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:02 pm
I have to say that stabbing, for whatever reasons doesn't come across well, Nathan. Just saying on that account, but, as for him not sensing the phenomena you're creating (or attempting to create, as I've got no proof either way. Tis not directed at me, ne?) It could just be possible that he has a barrier or some such thing in place to keep such things from happening to him. *shrugs* I know it's not entirely impossible. That might also explain what happened to you. Being that this is the internet, he has no obligation to tell you specific details about himself. Ishtar Shakti This Does take alot of work and the energy levels needed aren't in any way comparable. If a person is shut out to the spiruitual world you aren't going to be able to reach them and if their will is as strong as yours they make the world around them static, they make it how they want it to be. You aren't taking factors into consideration because what you see... while it seems impressive is nothing compared to the skill and work that it takes to affect things here. The spiritual world is like play dough... playing with play dough is easy... its fun and it looks pretty when your done but if you try to play with a rock the same way its not going to work. It takes a level of finesse to affect things here and it takes alot of energy and alot of knowledge. Ishtar has a good point too. Mind you, she says it far better than I could. (hence my quoting.) I'm curious, Mitsh. I wonder if you'd share what you did for such giggles.
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:15 pm
My thought was, "Wouldn't it be interesting if I tried to affect him, just to see what would happen?" So, I went to my desk, got a post-it note, and scribbled down a sigil using the letters of Nate's username, then drew two symbols across it to represent a cage - the end design looked something like this. Then, I chanted a quick made-up mantra ("Cage of Ibo, Cage of Woe, thee I conjure, Zalinzurai" - I know, melodramatic and im a wizrad-y, but it was the first thing that came to mind). After a few moments, I took it over to my gas fire, and set the post-it note alight while saying something (I don't remember what I said, but it was most likely something along the lines of "You are burning in the cage"), and let the note burn itself out. Interesting that he happened to mention the burning sensation, but it could very easily be a coincidence. One could just hop onto my profile, read that I'm a Leo, and make all sorts of broad assumptions about fireyness from that, or something.
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Tsume Rokaro Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:35 pm
Mitsh Interesting that he happened to mention the burning sensation, but it could very easily be a coincidence. One could just hop onto my profile, read that I'm a Leo, and make all sorts of broad assumptions about fireyness from that, or something. Thanks for that (and the visual). o.o It is quite the coincidence, if there ever was one. Curious how everything played out though...
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