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 Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:09 am
SoViEtTaNkT34 Gracchvs Robespierre SoViEtTaNkT34 Sri Iskander Various things. I cook and donate what food I have to people in need. I provide transportation to people without any. I volunteer with local autism support groups (I get to meet an autistic Hindu priest on Friday). I volunteer my meager graphics and writing skills to groups. I've loaned my futon to people who have need of a place to stay. All Humanist bullshit that really doesnt do much for rev For an advocate of Direct democracy I dont see "am part of local government" That might have something to do with the fact that local governments aren't really democratic, nor direct... And hey, Tank. For a communist, I don't see you saying "overthrowing the bourgeoisie"... All we get from you is "I'm in ther councilz, learnin ther charterz." All I hear from you is Leg pain and complaining about being a lumpenproletariat Going up to people and stating OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT just makes you sound retarded. Going up to people or infront of a town meeting and stating "I MAKE A MOTION TO OVERTHROW BOURGEOIS CULTURE ECONOMICS AND IDEOLOGY" doesnt do much bu make you look like a crack pot. Also if you do not believe that a form of Town Meeting Time or Roberts Rules of Order which are the basic principles of US local government for 350+ years (town Meeting Time and 125+ years for Roberts rules) then I believe your mistaken. Soviets in the US and even Unions in the US follow such guidelines. What can I say? My leg hurts. Gots some pillz for meh? =P And yeah, it does make you sound silly. But we aren't talking about IRL, where I don't know you, but here, where I do know you. And yes, we can talk about who-ever's rules of order if you like. But that has little relevence to my post. So yeah...
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:32 am
SoViEtTaNkT34 Sri Iskander Various things. I cook and donate what food I have to people in need. I provide transportation to people without any. I volunteer with local autism support groups (I get to meet an autistic Hindu priest on Friday). I volunteer my meager graphics and writing skills to groups. I've loaned my futon to people who have need of a place to stay. All Humanist bullshit that really doesnt do much for rev For an advocate of Direct democracy I dont see "am part of local government" First of all, I'm not going to be an idiot and post any possibly illegal activities I participate in on some internet forum, where people I don't know can read it. Yeah. I listed some very nice, legal, activities that I do. That's all you're getting from me. Second, I've just moved States within the last few months, and I haven't become involved politically just yet. I also doubt any local government is going to be democratic. It's just some more people governing other people. ******** that s**t.
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:45 am
Sri Iskander SoViEtTaNkT34 Sri Iskander Various things. I cook and donate what food I have to people in need. I provide transportation to people without any. I volunteer with local autism support groups (I get to meet an autistic Hindu priest on Friday). I volunteer my meager graphics and writing skills to groups. I've loaned my futon to people who have need of a place to stay. All Humanist bullshit that really doesnt do much for rev For an advocate of Direct democracy I dont see "am part of local government" First of all, I'm not going to be an idiot and post any possibly illegal activities I participate in on some internet forum, where people I don't know can read it. Yeah. I listed some very nice, legal, activities that I do. That's all you're getting from me. Second, I've just moved States within the last few months, and I haven't become involved politically just yet. I also doubt any local government is going to be democratic. It's just some more people governing other people. ******** that s**t. 1.All of which have add nothing to a rev just self gratification. 2. Depending where you moved depends upon what system and yes they are democratic and yes people do govern unless your a petty anarchist which even then more often or not a council system is formed instantaneously.
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:13 am
SoViEtTaNkT34 Sri Iskander SoViEtTaNkT34 Sri Iskander Various things. I cook and donate what food I have to people in need. I provide transportation to people without any. I volunteer with local autism support groups (I get to meet an autistic Hindu priest on Friday). I volunteer my meager graphics and writing skills to groups. I've loaned my futon to people who have need of a place to stay. All Humanist bullshit that really doesnt do much for rev For an advocate of Direct democracy I dont see "am part of local government" First of all, I'm not going to be an idiot and post any possibly illegal activities I participate in on some internet forum, where people I don't know can read it. Yeah. I listed some very nice, legal, activities that I do. That's all you're getting from me. Second, I've just moved States within the last few months, and I haven't become involved politically just yet. I also doubt any local government is going to be democratic. It's just some more people governing other people. ******** that s**t. 1.All of which have add nothing to a rev just self gratification. 2. Depending where you moved depends upon what system and yes they are democratic and yes people do govern unless your a petty anarchist which even then more often or not a council system is formed instantaneously. "petty"? I agree it's the sad truth humans rely on others to govern their existance, but just because some people feel above that "human condition" does not make them "petty". Some human beings truly wish to live free, and not like a loser trying to subsist off of society like a jobless hobo, but asctually be free and live in the wilderness renouncing their humanity.
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:18 am
Norm of Okinawa SoViEtTaNkT34 Sri Iskander SoViEtTaNkT34 Sri Iskander Various things. I cook and donate what food I have to people in need. I provide transportation to people without any. I volunteer with local autism support groups (I get to meet an autistic Hindu priest on Friday). I volunteer my meager graphics and writing skills to groups. I've loaned my futon to people who have need of a place to stay. All Humanist bullshit that really doesnt do much for rev For an advocate of Direct democracy I dont see "am part of local government" First of all, I'm not going to be an idiot and post any possibly illegal activities I participate in on some internet forum, where people I don't know can read it. Yeah. I listed some very nice, legal, activities that I do. That's all you're getting from me. Second, I've just moved States within the last few months, and I haven't become involved politically just yet. I also doubt any local government is going to be democratic. It's just some more people governing other people. ******** that s**t. 1.All of which have add nothing to a rev just self gratification. 2. Depending where you moved depends upon what system and yes they are democratic and yes people do govern unless your a petty anarchist which even then more often or not a council system is formed instantaneously. "petty"? I agree it's the sad truth humans rely on others to govern their existance, but just because some people feel above that "human condition" does not make them "petty". Some human beings truly wish to live free, and not like a loser trying to subsist off of society like a jobless hobo, but asctually be free and live in the wilderness renouncing their humanity. Seems petty.
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:22 am
Michelito Briggs Norm of Okinawa SoViEtTaNkT34 Sri Iskander SoViEtTaNkT34 Sri Iskander Various things. I cook and donate what food I have to people in need. I provide transportation to people without any. I volunteer with local autism support groups (I get to meet an autistic Hindu priest on Friday). I volunteer my meager graphics and writing skills to groups. I've loaned my futon to people who have need of a place to stay. All Humanist bullshit that really doesnt do much for rev For an advocate of Direct democracy I dont see "am part of local government" First of all, I'm not going to be an idiot and post any possibly illegal activities I participate in on some internet forum, where people I don't know can read it. Yeah. I listed some very nice, legal, activities that I do. That's all you're getting from me. Second, I've just moved States within the last few months, and I haven't become involved politically just yet. I also doubt any local government is going to be democratic. It's just some more people governing other people. ******** that s**t. 1.All of which have add nothing to a rev just self gratification. 2. Depending where you moved depends upon what system and yes they are democratic and yes people do govern unless your a petty anarchist which even then more often or not a council system is formed instantaneously. "petty"? I agree it's the sad truth humans rely on others to govern their existance, but just because some people feel above that "human condition" does not make them "petty". Some human beings truly wish to live free, and not like a loser trying to subsist off of society like a jobless hobo, but actually be free and live in the wilderness renouncing their humanity. Seems petty. Why is it petty? Human beings can't have different opinions? Won't they, in the end, be governed to some extent? Petty would imply they do it on a whim, or for no real reason. There's a real reason they believe what they believe, even if it's different than what you believe. It may seem stupid to you, but that does not make it petty.
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:22 am
Norm of Okinawa SoViEtTaNkT34 Sri Iskander SoViEtTaNkT34 Sri Iskander Various things. I cook and donate what food I have to people in need. I provide transportation to people without any. I volunteer with local autism support groups (I get to meet an autistic Hindu priest on Friday). I volunteer my meager graphics and writing skills to groups. I've loaned my futon to people who have need of a place to stay. All Humanist bullshit that really doesnt do much for rev For an advocate of Direct democracy I dont see "am part of local government" First of all, I'm not going to be an idiot and post any possibly illegal activities I participate in on some internet forum, where people I don't know can read it. Yeah. I listed some very nice, legal, activities that I do. That's all you're getting from me. Second, I've just moved States within the last few months, and I haven't become involved politically just yet. I also doubt any local government is going to be democratic. It's just some more people governing other people. ******** that s**t. 1.All of which have add nothing to a rev just self gratification. 2. Depending where you moved depends upon what system and yes they are democratic and yes people do govern unless your a petty anarchist which even then more often or not a council system is formed instantaneously. "petty"? I agree it's the sad truth humans rely on others to govern their existance, but just because some people feel above that "human condition" does not make them "petty". Some human beings truly wish to live free, and not like a loser trying to subsist off of society like a jobless hobo, but asctually be free and live in the wilderness renouncing their humanity. There is no such thing as "free" even within the wilderness that you speak of.
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:24 am
SoViEtTaNkT34 Norm of Okinawa SoViEtTaNkT34 Sri Iskander SoViEtTaNkT34 Sri Iskander Various things. I cook and donate what food I have to people in need. I provide transportation to people without any. I volunteer with local autism support groups (I get to meet an autistic Hindu priest on Friday). I volunteer my meager graphics and writing skills to groups. I've loaned my futon to people who have need of a place to stay. All Humanist bullshit that really doesnt do much for rev For an advocate of Direct democracy I dont see "am part of local government" First of all, I'm not going to be an idiot and post any possibly illegal activities I participate in on some internet forum, where people I don't know can read it. Yeah. I listed some very nice, legal, activities that I do. That's all you're getting from me. Second, I've just moved States within the last few months, and I haven't become involved politically just yet. I also doubt any local government is going to be democratic. It's just some more people governing other people. ******** that s**t. 1.All of which have add nothing to a rev just self gratification. 2. Depending where you moved depends upon what system and yes they are democratic and yes people do govern unless your a petty anarchist which even then more often or not a council system is formed instantaneously. "petty"? I agree it's the sad truth humans rely on others to govern their existance, but just because some people feel above that "human condition" does not make them "petty". Some human beings truly wish to live free, and not like a loser trying to subsist off of society like a jobless hobo, but asctually be free and live in the wilderness renouncing their humanity. There is no such thing as "free" even within the wilderness that you speak of. Why? Because the lands will be "owned" by the government, or because humanity will inevitably encroach on the lands these people would live on? Then it would be no different than what happened to people in the past, would it? Just because people believe something you believe is destined to fail, does not make it so, either.
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:30 am
Norm of Okinawa SoViEtTaNkT34 There is no such thing as "free" even within the wilderness that you speak of. Why? Because the lands will be "owned" by the government, or because humanity will inevitably encroach on the lands these people would live on? Then it would be no different than what happened to people in the past, would it? Just because people believe something you believe is destined to fail, does not make it so, either. Not my point. Freedom doesnt exist for humans depend upon a social environment, the best example of this is simply the fact that you speak/type/write the English Language. To be free is to be without limits from a given social network is just impossible. What do you believe that I believe? Seriously.....
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:36 am
SoViEtTaNkT34 Sri Iskander SoViEtTaNkT34 Sri Iskander Various things. I cook and donate what food I have to people in need. I provide transportation to people without any. I volunteer with local autism support groups (I get to meet an autistic Hindu priest on Friday). I volunteer my meager graphics and writing skills to groups. I've loaned my futon to people who have need of a place to stay. All Humanist bullshit that really doesnt do much for rev For an advocate of Direct democracy I dont see "am part of local government" First of all, I'm not going to be an idiot and post any possibly illegal activities I participate in on some internet forum, where people I don't know can read it. Yeah. I listed some very nice, legal, activities that I do. That's all you're getting from me. Second, I've just moved States within the last few months, and I haven't become involved politically just yet. I also doubt any local government is going to be democratic. It's just some more people governing other people. ******** that s**t. 1.All of which have add nothing to a rev just self gratification. 2. Depending where you moved depends upon what system and yes they are democratic and yes people do govern unless your a petty anarchist which even then more often or not a council system is formed instantaneously. 1. I will repeat myself. "I'm not going to be an idiot and post any possibly illegal activities I participate in on some internet forum, where people I don't know can read it." Please read that. Please comprehend its meaning. I will make it simpler for you now. "Any acts of violent or 'unlawful' revolution I've engaged in will not be posted here, as it would be a simple thing for these forums to be read by anyone at all. I do not know you, and will not trust my remaining free of legal harassment to you." 2. Representation is not democracy. I will not participate in a representative ******** no more than I will participate in a corporation. If you're willing to abandon your ideals so you'll look better in a stranger's eyes, that's your weakness, not mine.
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:44 am
SoViEtTaNkT34 Norm of Okinawa SoViEtTaNkT34 There is no such thing as "free" even within the wilderness that you speak of. Why? Because the lands will be "owned" by the government, or because humanity will inevitably encroach on the lands these people would live on? Then it would be no different than what happened to people in the past, would it? Just because people believe something you believe is destined to fail, does not make it so, either. Not my point. Freedom doesnt exist for humans depend upon a social environment, the best example of this is simply the fact that you speak/type/write the English Language. To be free is to be without limits from a given social network is just impossible. What do you believe that I believe? Seriously..... Read, write, and speak english because I am NOT free. I am proposing that once the capitalists crumble under their own fascist regime, I may be truly free to be an anarchist at heart, to truly give up all things that make me bound by society. Clothes, speech. I wasn't saying I would live with a tribe of indians. I was meaning I would be on my own. However, I am still young. This is what I hold in my heart to be the truest bliss, not the most LOGICAL thing in the world. To me, the most logical thing is to help overthrow capitalism wherever it may be, and replace/uproot it and help instill a socialist/communist government in it's place. Right now, I'm reading up, AS A NEW MEMBER, the difference between the two. As I can tell, socialism is authoritarian and close to fascist, where as communism is the happy medium between it and capitalism. I am not fully aware of what socialism is, per se, or communism. But I have a vague idea of communism, liberation of the modern day indentured servant. What do i believe you believe? I believe you are smug. I believe you believe all things must be given to people to give them purpose, they must be told what to do and how to do it in order to survive, that people must have a government. What that government is exactly, I wouldn't know, you enlighten me.
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:47 am
Norm of Okinawa Michelito Briggs Norm of Okinawa SoViEtTaNkT34 Sri Iskander First of all, I'm not going to be an idiot and post any possibly illegal activities I participate in on some internet forum, where people I don't know can read it. Yeah. I listed some very nice, legal, activities that I do. That's all you're getting from me. Second, I've just moved States within the last few months, and I haven't become involved politically just yet. I also doubt any local government is going to be democratic. It's just some more people governing other people. ******** that s**t. 1.All of which have add nothing to a rev just self gratification. 2. Depending where you moved depends upon what system and yes they are democratic and yes people do govern unless your a petty anarchist which even then more often or not a council system is formed instantaneously. "petty"? I agree it's the sad truth humans rely on others to govern their existance, but just because some people feel above that "human condition" does not make them "petty". Some human beings truly wish to live free, and not like a loser trying to subsist off of society like a jobless hobo, but actually be free and live in the wilderness renouncing their humanity. Seems petty. Why is it petty? Human beings can't have different opinions? Won't they, in the end, be governed to some extent? Petty would imply they do it on a whim, or for no real reason. There's a real reason they believe what they believe, even if it's different than what you believe. It may seem stupid to you, but that does not make it petty. I was commenting on renouncing humanity. It's just a ridiculous notion, as well as morally irresponsible. No single person is an island, and therefore you are bound by whatever frail morality you have to give back to the society that spawned you. I would sooner live in Sumer than in the absence of civilization before it. It should be noted that I don't speak about morality as a communist, but as a human being. To become nothing more than a beast is a huge step back, and whether or not humans are good or evil we have a concept of morality that animals simply do not. Remember what Shamhat told Enkidu: "Now you are as if a god, my boy, with no more need of dumb beasts, however fair."
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:54 am
Gracchvs Robespierre SoViEtTaNkT34 Gracchvs Robespierre SoViEtTaNkT34 Sri Iskander Various things. I cook and donate what food I have to people in need. I provide transportation to people without any. I volunteer with local autism support groups (I get to meet an autistic Hindu priest on Friday). I volunteer my meager graphics and writing skills to groups. I've loaned my futon to people who have need of a place to stay. All Humanist bullshit that really doesnt do much for rev For an advocate of Direct democracy I dont see "am part of local government" That might have something to do with the fact that local governments aren't really democratic, nor direct... And hey, Tank. For a communist, I don't see you saying "overthrowing the bourgeoisie"... All we get from you is "I'm in ther councilz, learnin ther charterz." All I hear from you is Leg pain and complaining about being a lumpenproletariat Going up to people and stating OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT just makes you sound retarded. Going up to people or infront of a town meeting and stating "I MAKE A MOTION TO OVERTHROW BOURGEOIS CULTURE ECONOMICS AND IDEOLOGY" doesnt do much bu make you look like a crack pot. Also if you do not believe that a form of Town Meeting Time or Roberts Rules of Order which are the basic principles of US local government for 350+ years (town Meeting Time and 125+ years for Roberts rules) then I believe your mistaken. Soviets in the US and even Unions in the US follow such guidelines. What can I say? My leg hurts. Gots some pillz for meh? =P And yeah, it does make you sound silly. But we aren't talking about IRL, where I don't know you, but here, where I do know you. And yes, we can talk about who-ever's rules of order if you like. But that has little relevence to my post. So yeah... Your post was an continuation of mine which was bashing on Sri's IRL self gratification post of his IRL. What I mean by self gratification is simply its all well and good but doesnt change anything at all nor does any of these actions really do anything or have the potential of doing anything for pre/post rev. Thus your comment was legit aimed towards the IRL whether or not you know it or not is not the question. What my aim was towards is that grabbing things that have legit power and can create any sort of real change is better then self gratification which liberals and hippies do all the time. "OMG wasnt that a great protest or what! OH YEAH It was!! That protest/walk/charity here in (insert state/country) is surely going to cure cancer/Stop Darfur/Free Tibet/ Create World Peace/Change gov etc. OH YEA!!!" Whether or not you believe your local gov is democratic its exactly like me bashing Unions in the US, there the same deal and run on the same Parliamentary rules of order as local govs do. The only difference is one was created by "workers" and one was created by colonies over 350 years ago in which they used them to declare war on britain...the last Union ive seen declare war of any kind in the US was the WFM in colorado...in the late 19th early 20th centuries...-
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:08 am
Michelito Briggs Norm of Okinawa Michelito Briggs Norm of Okinawa SoViEtTaNkT34 Sri Iskander First of all, I'm not going to be an idiot and post any possibly illegal activities I participate in on some internet forum, where people I don't know can read it. Yeah. I listed some very nice, legal, activities that I do. That's all you're getting from me. Second, I've just moved States within the last few months, and I haven't become involved politically just yet. I also doubt any local government is going to be democratic. It's just some more people governing other people. ******** that s**t. 1.All of which have add nothing to a rev just self gratification. 2. Depending where you moved depends upon what system and yes they are democratic and yes people do govern unless your a petty anarchist which even then more often or not a council system is formed instantaneously. "petty"? I agree it's the sad truth humans rely on others to govern their existance, but just because some people feel above that "human condition" does not make them "petty". Some human beings truly wish to live free, and not like a loser trying to subsist off of society like a jobless hobo, but actually be free and live in the wilderness renouncing their humanity. Seems petty. Why is it petty? Human beings can't have different opinions? Won't they, in the end, be governed to some extent? Petty would imply they do it on a whim, or for no real reason. There's a real reason they believe what they believe, even if it's different than what you believe. It may seem stupid to you, but that does not make it petty. I was commenting on renouncing humanity. It's just a ridiculous notion, as well as morally irresponsible. No single person is an island, and therefore you are bound by whatever frail morality you have to give back to the society that spawned you. I would sooner live in Sumer than in the absence of civilization before it. It should be noted that I don't speak about morality as a communist, but as a human being. To become nothing more than a beast is a huge step back, and whether or not humans are good or evil we have a concept of morality that animals simply do not. Remember what Shamhat told Enkidu: "Now you are as if a god, my boy, with no more need of dumb beasts, however fair." Morally irresponsible? in the end, a small group of people will not wish to conform to society. Instead of killing them, I find ending them off to somewhere else where they can live as they please to be the more humanitarian thing to do. I support communism, I do. I just, in my heart, am an anarchist. I wish to be completely free of buying and selling, free of structured leadership. I want to be like a child, forever. I know this is impossible. I do not think it is petty, as it is my firmest desire, even if I'll never have the means. instead, I productively wish to aspire the society around me to be as human equality based as possible, where all are as free to pursue happiness without taking it from others. I don't speak about morality at all, it's a silly concept of making instincts seem different, I think. I think animals do have 'morality", they do give things to the weaker of their species, just like humans, but not out of "sympathy/empathy" but out of pea-cocking. To show they are better than the others, they donate to gain followers. This is not necessarily the case with humans, but it does seem that way often enough. Humans, and animals alike, have emotions, fear, happiness. But lets not argue that. Emotions behind doing instinctual things, is what we call morals. I did a thing for a 'less off' human and it made me feel better. My emotion is that giving makes me better as a person, it's self gratification, it is selfish. Just as what an animal would do. I do see beasts as less than humans, simply because it's only natural to live amongst those you share the most relation to, such as speech, various other societal factors. I was arguing that I do not have an established government I favor, in my heart, yet. I would like to be instructed, as right now I'm going through the elongated principles of communism.
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:00 am
SoViEtTaNkT34 Gracchvs Robespierre SoViEtTaNkT34 Gracchvs Robespierre SoViEtTaNkT34 Sri Iskander Various things. I cook and donate what food I have to people in need. I provide transportation to people without any. I volunteer with local autism support groups (I get to meet an autistic Hindu priest on Friday). I volunteer my meager graphics and writing skills to groups. I've loaned my futon to people who have need of a place to stay. All Humanist bullshit that really doesnt do much for rev For an advocate of Direct democracy I dont see "am part of local government" That might have something to do with the fact that local governments aren't really democratic, nor direct... And hey, Tank. For a communist, I don't see you saying "overthrowing the bourgeoisie"... All we get from you is "I'm in ther councilz, learnin ther charterz." All I hear from you is Leg pain and complaining about being a lumpenproletariat Going up to people and stating OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT just makes you sound retarded. Going up to people or infront of a town meeting and stating "I MAKE A MOTION TO OVERTHROW BOURGEOIS CULTURE ECONOMICS AND IDEOLOGY" doesnt do much bu make you look like a crack pot. Also if you do not believe that a form of Town Meeting Time or Roberts Rules of Order which are the basic principles of US local government for 350+ years (town Meeting Time and 125+ years for Roberts rules) then I believe your mistaken. Soviets in the US and even Unions in the US follow such guidelines. What can I say? My leg hurts. Gots some pillz for meh? =P And yeah, it does make you sound silly. But we aren't talking about IRL, where I don't know you, but here, where I do know you. And yes, we can talk about who-ever's rules of order if you like. But that has little relevence to my post. So yeah... Your post was an continuation of mine which was bashing on Sri's IRL self gratification post of his IRL. What I mean by self gratification is simply its all well and good but doesnt change anything at all nor does any of these actions really do anything or have the potential of doing anything for pre/post rev. Thus your comment was legit aimed towards the IRL whether or not you know it or not is not the question. What my aim was towards is that grabbing things that have legit power and can create any sort of real change is better then self gratification which liberals and hippies do all the time. "OMG wasnt that a great protest or what! OH YEAH It was!! That protest/walk/charity here in (insert state/country) is surely going to cure cancer/Stop Darfur/Free Tibet/ Create World Peace/Change gov etc. OH YEA!!!" Whether or not you believe your local gov is democratic its exactly like me bashing Unions in the US, there the same deal and run on the same Parliamentary rules of order as local govs do. The only difference is one was created by "workers" and one was created by colonies over 350 years ago in which they used them to declare war on britain...the last Union ive seen declare war of any kind in the US was the WFM in colorado...in the late 19th early 20th centuries...- What is it with Stalinists and their organisational fetishism? The meetings follow the same rules of order as certain political groups I am fond of. Do I consider these groups democratic? hell yes. Do I consider local government democratic? Hell no. Why? Well, it has nothing to do with Robert's Rules of order or whatever. And I contend that the way things are organised by the union leadership, things are not too democratic there, either. but that is a different discussion. Local councils are not democratic because they are part of the capitalist state. It is that simple. Just as all the stuff has been said with regard to Seraph, it all applies to you. The only difference is that you have more chance to be elected to an important position, and the impotant position you would be elected to is infinitely more limited in scope, and in fact subordinate to the office Seraph runs for. That's the only difference. You aim at administering the capitalist state. Even if you aim to do so in the interests of the oppressed, you can't, because you have no freedom of action, and the rest of the state apparatus would immobilise you. Also, your point about liberals going to feel-good protests is beside the point. Yes, you are aiming higher than them. But you are not aiming at a communist goal. You stand in the same relationship to those liberals as Obama does: He has an aim, and wants an executive office of the capitalist state to accompish that aim. He relies on liberals to get there and enable him to do what he wants. You will, as well. The only difference is that you will do so on a more limited scale, while saying words a little more profound than 'hope' and 'change.' Rather than trying to get elected to an executve office where you will be forced to administer the capitalist state, or fail at what you are trying to do, you should be trying to educate people about communism, and trying to build up the cadres of the revolutionary party. But that's just it. You reject the party, reject the working class, and merely want to get elected to a council where you will be impotent.
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