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You with your slippery slopes... I'll begin by saying that I don't think that the world will be instantly spontaneously changed- I've said that at least three times already, and now I'm saying it again. Posters, speeches, talks, maybe even a bit of vandalism and rioting. It's not ABOUT becoming president for the power, it's about the act of defiance in doing it- Saying "You know what, a layperson can be president too" and "You know what- ******** this beurocratic bullshit." If we can get to this stage, then we've opened eyes. If eyes are opened, then they can better see our message.

And yes. Exactly. That's the point- It is valueless. It would be like getting the entire country to put down Homer Simpson or Rage Against The Machine on the ballots, but I am tangible and can speak and help unify the people. I don't WANT power, I don't WANT to control or lead. I want to do my part to make this world less ******** up. I never said I would quit speaking or being a figurehead, but I will not be an authority, and I will not take part in petty beurocracy and ceremony. We have more important things to do.

Oh, come on. Really? We have to convert our economic system, doofus. I didn't mean baptising folks into Communism. Christ. I didn't say that- You're really bad with slippery slopes, you know that?- I never pointed fingers or said "you do this and are wrong because of it"- I said that those who do so are wrong and cited why.

We must win the hearts and minds of the people in order to successfully convert to Communism.

We have to convert our economic system

Firstly, I don't give a damn about the theory. I know, it's a money game. Fine. Whatever. Your point?

Yes, voting for me will basically be a "******** you" to the system, because I am there to take it down, not sit there as a part of it.

No, you heard exactly right. We need to convert the country to Communism. Communism is an economic system, so the only part that is relevant here is the economic factor. Were I idiotic enough to say that we should convert to Christianity, that does not mean that we suddenly have a made-up christian economy, since Christianity is religious and not economic. Or Democracy does not mean a democratic religion or economy- See where I'm going with this?

Your friend is exactly what I mean. If I get a voice that reaches across the country and the world, then I can start to change minds. I will work, within the legal confines of the system, to slowly take power from the rich and give it to the poor. And then, we can change over to communism, when people start to see that it is the right way to go. What we need is a voice. What we need is action and change. Real change, not Obama half-hearted change.

The point is to show people "We can do this".

One major problem with being Communist is that the bourgeoisie have control of the media, and they still use 1950's scare tactics- They have the people thinking they WANT to be in capitalism, like how kings in feudalism made serfs think they WANTED to be below them, to follow God's plan or whatever.

If I can get people angry, and if I can get people to vote against the grain of the system, that is one step to realizing "Hey, we don't need this s**t". By showing examples of a system where capitalism is muted, they may begin to realize the less capitalism, the better. It's not the government we have to gain favor of, it's the people. It will be a peaceful riot where instead of throwing bricks through windows of corporate offices, we throw laws through the economic control of corporations.

Do we need to crack open a dictionary? Communism is defined as a classless egalitarian system in which the means of production are collectively owned by the workers, according to my Merriam Webster. That's what I want- A system where there are no owners of factories who sit pretty making massive amounts of money on the labor of the numerous poor forced to work there by the economic system.

I don't give a damn about either of them, or Marx for that matter. We have to think for ourselves, and it's a slippery slope to crazy-town if you try to take one man's ideas and emulate ALL of them with rigidity and kabbalah- Look at Christianity. Jesus is probably not very pleased with what people did with his message.

I say pick out ideas, but don't idolize anyone entirely and hang on their coatsleeves saying "Marx said! Marx said! Marx said!" when you could be thinking of your own solutions to problems, even if you come to the same conclusion.

One major problem with being Communist is that the bourgeoisie have control of the media, and they still use 1950's scare tactics- They have the people thinking they WANT to be in capitalism

I KNOW it's a media game.

Drop some posters in New York City to the tune of several thousand and people will notice.

My God it's like talking to a wall with downs syndrome. Seriously.

You're getting all bent out of shape over simple semantics, again. "This" refers to "economic reform". Preferably in the aforementioned direction of Communism. And when I say direction, before you say "Socialism is in that direction! Barter is in that direction!", no, I mean Communism. Without money. My style. Yes, I can do that, you're not my mother.

Who cares about depth? Depth is why we're in this shithole of an economy, everything is too complicated- You have your stocks, your bonds, your investments, debits and credits, debts, toxic debts, banks buying banks, bailouts- ******** it all. Why would we waste time with a cumbersome system like that when we can have something simple, easy, effective and time-saving? All we really need to do is allocate resources, and it doesn't take half a million guys in office buildings to do that.

Simplicity. Let's run with it.

No, the posters are part of campaigning. I have said, time and time again, that those will not instantly change the world Communist. But it will get ideas out there that many people don't even stop to think about. Along with speeches, rallies and things of the like.

Funny, I feel the same way with you.



See this is why you fail. You think you can overstep these things all willy nilly. If you disposed of the economy in one country like America, you would ******** up half of the world in the process and what you would have is pure ******** anarchy, and the bad kind.



Im really starting to think you communicate with us from a mental institution. You cant do all this s**t overnight. How are you going to get the entire ******** world on board with this from your office in the white house. How are you going to deal with the fact that some places are in need of resources more than others. Do you think by doing away with the economy in America you'll fix the ******** problem? China, Brittan, Canada, Mexico, Russia and almost every other first world country is going to come raining nukes from the heavens. Your Candyland will be a Wasteland in 3 days flat. You must deal with a economy as it emerges from the womb of the old. It being a child of the old, it will too carry the birthmarks of that old society, and you really like to overlook that fact.



Not all things in life are simple.




That's why the RCP is out there every day doing the same s**t and fail epically.

Firstly, I don't give a damn about the theory. I know, it's a money game. Fine. Whatever. Your point?

Yes, voting for me will basically be a "******** you" to the system, because I am there to take it down, not sit there as a part of it.

No, you heard exactly right. We need to convert the country to Communism. Communism is an economic system, so the only part that is relevant here is the economic factor. Were I idiotic enough to say that we should convert to Christianity, that does not mean that we suddenly have a made-up christian economy, since Christianity is religious and not economic. Or Democracy does not mean a democratic religion or economy- See where I'm going with this?

Point being, it's semantics and you know it. Please don't get bent out of shape every time I play on words or use language liberally.

But you cant. The executive of the capitalist state is essentially bought by the bourgeoisie, therefore any attempt to do reformation of the oppressed wouldn't work because it wouldn't be in the interest of the bourgeoisie.