King To Be Hailed
Trotsky was politically harmful to the well-being of the Soviet Union, whose politburo saw fit to instate Stalin as opposed to Trotsky.
Trotsky
Before he felt out his own course, the bureaucracy felt out Stalin himself. He brought it all the necessary guarantees: the prestige of an old Bolshevik, a strong character, narrow vision, and close bonds with the political machine as the sole source of his influence.... A secondary figure before the masses and in the events of the revolution, Stalin revealed himself as the indubitable leader of the Thermidorian bureaucracy, as first in its midst.
King To Be Hailed
Stalin's rule was constantly running under the principles of Democratic Centralism advocated by Lenin.
So the purges and s**t...? That was the 'fullest internal discussion' was it?
King To Be Hailed
Stalin never had supreme power,
Never said he did. He was merely the head of the bureaucracy.
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and any bureaucratic privileges Stalin held had been approved for him
And? Granting bureaucrats salary increases and other perks (in July 1922) is antithetical to Marxism.
Remember State And Revolution? Remember The Civil War in France?
Yeah.
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(and ended up being handy come the invasion of the Nazis).
How did pay increases and the elimination of soviet democracy help fight the Nazis?
King To Be Hailed
Trotsky's labelling of the order in the USSR is flawed.
A Degenerated Workers State is one where there has been a successful proletarian revolution, but the organs of proletarian democracy have since been destroyed or made defunct.
Please explain how this is an inaccurate lable for the SU.
King To Be Hailed
This is my belief. I see no reason to believe that the red bourgeoisie he saw existed.
Neither did Trotsky, what's your point?
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If anything, he only demonized them because the man was a sore loser.
There was no demonisation. There was a recognition that the ruling clique in the SU and the Comintern generally were no longer revolutionary.
On could point out the people in high places and see just how stark this was. Many of them opposed the insurrection from inside the Bolsheviks or were members of opposition parties fighting against the insurrection!
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The true downfall of Socialism came with the revisionist policies of Khruschev.
The SU was never socialist. It was, however, a Workers State. The workers state was destroyeg by Gorby/Yeltsin, not Khruschev.
King To Be Hailed
Stalin simply made the right choices.
His 'right choices' were all taken from Trotsky.
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Trotsky's policies would have run the entire thing into the ground.
Funny, then, that Stalin was forced to implement most of those policies.
King To Be Hailed
Even the Great Lenin would not back up Trotsky's bid for power.
Funny that, because he certainly wanted Stalin removed.
King To Be Hailed
How can I believe he was correct if the Great Lenin did not see him fit?
Lenin prefered Trotsky to Stalin, and even ignoring that... He was right.
King To Be Hailed
How can I deny the incredible successes of Stalin?
what 'incredible successes'?
King To Be Hailed
I do not idolize Stalin, but I see him as being the proper leader for the USSR at the time.
Too bad he was the 'Great Organiser of Defeats' abroad then, eh.
King To Be Hailed
Trotsky's ideas had no place given the situation.
Industrialisation, soviet democracy, internal party democracy, international rvolution... No, never.
King To Be Hailed
Trotsky repeatedly blamed the KPD for allowing the Nazis to rise through their lack of alliance with the Social Democrats.
Not entirely. It was also the refusal to do anything after Hitler came to power, nor any internal criticism of the path taken. That there was no discussion after that great defeat was proof that the comintern was dead as a revolutionary force.
King To Be Hailed
Was Trotsky aware that it was the Social Democrats who blocked any merging of powers, with Stalin only changing his mind after it had become clear that they were akin to the fascists, though without the boot to stomp with? Of course he was. But Trotsky was a propagandist, and he knew what information to leave out.
Call for a united front. When the SPD refuses, then the KPD can say 'see, they refuse to do anyhting! This is proof that only we can do anything!'
Instead, however, they slandered them as social-fascists, and then once Hitler took power...
Sucked up to the 'social-fascists' and bourgeois democrats for the 'people's front against fascism.'
Hooray for consistency.
with Stalin only changing his mind after it had become clear that they were akin to the fascists, though without the boot to stomp with? Of course he was. But Trotsky was a propagandist, and he knew what information to leave out.
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For the record, Trotsky organized the Red Army, yes. And that is an excellent task!
And Stalin did nothing. Hell, prior to Lenin coming back he was even calling for a merger with the Mensheviks!
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But Stalin himself served well during the Civil War,
[cough]Poland[/cough]
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as he was deployed to various significant fronts and managed them properly.
[cough]Warsaw[/cough]
King To Be Hailed
The "history" of Stalin that Trotskyists uphold was formed by Nazi-paid American newspaper conglomerates.
Oh? Where did you get this story from?
I thought the traditional Stalinist lie was that he was an agent of the Mikado. I guess that was just too obviously bullshit that a new story was needed.
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How can I trust them? How can any self respecting communist trust them?
If it were true, you couldn't. But it isn't. So now I ask 'how can you trust those who make up and contiinue t propagate such a lie?'
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Stalin's politics created a mighty nation and an invigorated proletariat.
Really? Invogorated? considering the working conditions the proletariat had to suffer I guess it would either end up hardy or dead... but that isn't something to crow about.
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I would say his politics have been vindicated just fine.
Opposition to Permanent Revolution, and therefore supporting the Menshevik schema of the 'Two-Stage Revolution':
China, Japan, the countries take over by fascism... And then the s**t after stalin throughout the third world...
Yeah.
Socialism in One Country? English General Strike of 1926, the Spanish Civil War, giving support to the 'democratic' imperialists during WWII...
Just two policies there and we see how badly the situation went.
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I see no problem with the decisions made under the post-Lenin Politburo, and therefore see problem with Trotsky's assertions.
I think a lot of this is because Trotsky's views have been misrepresented.
Short:
The Workers' State, Thermidor and Bonapartism
This explains the use of the term 'thermidorian.'
Bonapartism and Fascism
This is on Germany
Medium:
In Defence of Marxism
This is a collection of letters and articles during a faction fight against those that wanted to cease defending the Soviet Union on the grounds that the bureaucracy had become a new class.
Long:
The Third International After Lenin
This is a criticism of the programme of the Comintern in 1929.
The Revolution Betrayed
This work is where he fully lays out his understanding of the 'bureaucratically degenerated workers state.'
