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 Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:55 am
Herobane AnarchoPhiliac Herobane AnarchoPhiliac OP doesn't address ecological sustainability sad Well, I at least expect that the worers themselves wouldn't use industry to damage the environment because they wouldn't need to abuse the environment to gain extra profits. But you would still need to abuse the environment to run the certain industries in question. You know, like in open pit mining. Capitalist or socialist economy, open pit mining would still be beneficial to industry at the cost of long term environmental and ecological damage. This is true, but pit mining was developed to pull out MORE than was really needed so that the capitalists could make more money. THe workers wouldn't need to take nearly so much. Just what's needed. The point is that "what's needed" can be subjective, and still damage the environment. What is needed, after all? Do we all need cars? Televisions? Computers? Or do we only need food, shelter, and clothing? Do you see the problem here now?
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:06 am
Dis Domnu Herobane AnarchoPhiliac Herobane AnarchoPhiliac OP doesn't address ecological sustainability sad Well, I at least expect that the worers themselves wouldn't use industry to damage the environment because they wouldn't need to abuse the environment to gain extra profits. But you would still need to abuse the environment to run the certain industries in question. You know, like in open pit mining. Capitalist or socialist economy, open pit mining would still be beneficial to industry at the cost of long term environmental and ecological damage. This is true, but pit mining was developed to pull out MORE than was really needed so that the capitalists could make more money. THe workers wouldn't need to take nearly so much. Just what's needed. The point is that "what's needed" can be subjective, and still damage the environment. What is needed, after all? Do we all need cars? Televisions? Computers? Or do we only need food, shelter, and clothing? Do you see the problem here now? Aww, silleh trolleh. What is needed is what is needed to maintain and advance the current standard of existence for the best payed workers in the advanced capitalist world, and to raise all to that level. To do that we don't need cars, but lots of efficient busses, trains and trams would do wonders! Mining could be continued at the same rate, but the results of the mining can be directed into creating technologies which can spread it thinner... Really, we have an answer for all your silly complaints. Now be a good troll and ******** off back to ED where you belong. Really, won't people declare s**t like this one when they pass through customs? We have enough invasive species as it is!
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:10 am
Gracchvs Really, won't people declare s**t like this one when they pass through customs? We have enough invasive species as it is!
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:23 am
Gracchvs Dis Domnu The point is that "what's needed" can be subjective, and still damage the environment. What is needed, after all? Do we all need cars? Televisions? Computers? Or do we only need food, shelter, and clothing? Do you see the problem here now? Aww, silleh trolleh. Look out, the entire commie guild is out to get you! I'm just their troll minion sent to harass you to death! Go be paranoid some more. Quote: What is needed is what is needed to maintain and advance the current standard of existence for the best payed workers in the advanced capitalist world, and to raise all to that level. This. Requires. Lots. Of. Resources. Simpler so you can understand better. Quote: To do that we don't need cars, but lots of efficient busses, trains and trams would do wonders! Those would be quite nice. Quote: Mining could be continued at the same rate, but the results of the mining can be directed into creating technologies which can spread it thinner... So, you rely on the "well hopefully someone after us will figure out some technology to solve our mistakes" thing? How enlightened of you. Unless you have schematics, details, and other such things on these "technologies", then your argument is useless. Quote: Really, we have an answer for all your silly complaints. Now be a good troll and ******** off back to ED where you belong. Someone who disagrees with you still isn't a troll. And why go back to ED-P when I get the same ad hominem attacks here? wink Quote: Really, won't people declare s**t like this one when they pass through customs? We have enough invasive species as it is! Uh oh, Gracchvs doesn't like other types of commie that disagree with him. Maybe it's 'cause we're all out to get him?
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:58 am
Why has nobody suggested recycling 99.9% of all metals that are thrown away?
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:08 pm
Raziel Hotokashi Why has nobody suggested recycling 99.9% of all metals that are thrown away? Yeah, even the smallest scraps are usable. MEtal gets melted anyways, and if it's been melted, it doesn't matter how small the pieces are. Don't throw certain things away!
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:13 pm
Dis Domnu Quote: What is needed is what is needed to maintain and advance the current standard of existence for the best payed workers in the advanced capitalist world, and to raise all to that level. This. Requires. Lots. Of. Resources. Where did I say it wouldn't? If you payed aaaaaaaaany attention to my post you would have noticed that I am talking about a more rational use of resources, rather than a reduction in the use of resources. Dis Domnu So, you rely on the "well hopefully someone after us will figure out some technology to solve our mistakes" thing? How enlightened of you. Unless you have schematics, details, and other such things on these "technologies", then your argument is useless. If you had payed aaaaaaaaany attention, you would have noticed that I said that most of the resources would go toward the development of those technologies. I don't have the schematics, but I plan on giving all possible resources to those that can make them. Quote: Someone who disagrees with you still isn't a troll. And why go back to ED-P when I get the same ad hominem attacks here? wink ad hom is where you disregard someone's criticisms by making a characterisation of that person. I dealt with your point's then told you to ******** off because you are a troll. No ad hom. Bye bye troll. Quote: Uh oh, Gracchvs doesn't like other types of commie that disagree with him. Maybe it's 'cause we're all out to get him? If you were a commie you could pull that stunt, but then I wouldn't be telling you to ******** off, would I! Look, I get you are just here to ******** with the elections. Can't you just be quiet until the elections?
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:33 pm
Why do you think that everyone wants to ******** the elections?
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:38 pm
Lady Merewyn Why do you think that everyone wants to ******** the elections? The right wing of the guild shits itself that I will win and think they need to prevent that. What better way to do that than to call the old-time trolls to come vote for M-Mann? What, you think it isn't obvious to everyone? I know I am not the only one to think this because others have said such.
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:01 pm
Gracchvs Dis Domnu Quote: What is needed is what is needed to maintain and advance the current standard of existence for the best payed workers in the advanced capitalist world, and to raise all to that level. This. Requires. Lots. Of. Resources. Where did I say it wouldn't? If you payed aaaaaaaaany attention to my post you would have noticed that I am talking about a more rational use of resources, rather than a reduction in the use of resources. You STILL haven't said a single word about how to use the resources. No "we should be more rational" does not count. Quote: Dis Domnu So, you rely on the "well hopefully someone after us will figure out some technology to solve our mistakes" thing? How enlightened of you. Unless you have schematics, details, and other such things on these "technologies", then your argument is useless. If you had payed aaaaaaaaany attention, you would have noticed that I said that most of the resources would go toward the development of those technologies. I don't have the schematics, but I plan on giving all possible resources to those that can make them. See the above. "I'd pump resources into research of algae oil, nanomaterials, and recycling technologies" would have been an acceptable answer. Quote: Quote: Someone who disagrees with you still isn't a troll. And why go back to ED-P when I get the same ad hominem attacks here? wink ad hom is where you disregard someone's criticisms by making a characterisation of that person. I dealt with your point's then told you to ******** off because you are a troll. No ad hom. Bye bye troll. Still not a troll just because I disagree with you. wink Quote: Quote: Uh oh, Gracchvs doesn't like other types of commie that disagree with him. Maybe it's 'cause we're all out to get him? If you were a commie you could pull that stunt, but then I wouldn't be telling you to ******** off, would I! Right. So you get to declare to me what my ideology is. Quote: Look, I get you are just here to ******** with the elections. Can't you just be quiet until the elections? I don't care about your elections. Mayhap you should actually try having some evidence before you accuse someone of being here to sabotage something, huh?
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:04 pm
Fascists, Trolls, and Conspiracies oh my!
Renewable products and metals should always be recycled. Landfills are detrimental to society and in the US have often had a close proximity near minority populations. Any way to limit such rampant waste and discrimination should be a part of the party's agenda. Of course, 10 Provisions might not exactly have that room to be that wordy, but some major overhaul of the waste management system and land usage may want to be mentioned.
And also, does anyone else hate subdivisions with a passion? What a waste of space and resources...
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:10 pm
Gracchvs Lady Merewyn Why do you think that everyone wants to ******** the elections? The right wing of the guild shits itself that I will win and think they need to prevent that. What better way to do that than to call the old-time trolls to come vote for M-Mann? What, you think it isn't obvious to everyone? I know I am not the only one to think this because others have said such. I have no intention or desire of voting in your damned election.
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:10 pm
Geisterstadt Fascists, Trolls, and Conspiracies oh my! Renewable products and metals should always be recycled. Landfills are detrimental to society and in the US have often had a close proximity near minority populations. Any way to limit such rampant waste and discrimination should be a part of the party's agenda. Of course, 10 Provisions might not exactly have that room to be that wordy, but some major overhaul of the waste management system and land usage may want to be mentioned. And also, does anyone else hate subdivisions with a passion? What a waste of space and resources... I think I included discrimination in one of the early points, but if you think it isn't thorough enough, please do give some suggestions mrgreen
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:27 pm
Louis-Auguste Robespierre 1. The only means for supplying the mass of humanity with the basic necessities of modern life is through the nationalisation of the means of production, communication and transport. 2. Social equality is a lie until discrimination based on sex, gender, race and sexual preference is done away with. 3. For there to be real social equality, women and minorities must be provided equal pay in fact, not only law. as such, women and minorities must be provided with jobs that provided decent pay. 4. The oppression of gays and other sexual minorities is tied intimately with the woman question, and stems from how class society solves it. 5. 6. The family is an institution of class society and the need to provide an heir for property holders. Until class society is done away with, the family will remain, and the oppression of women will always have an objective, material basis. 7. Religion is, in relation to the state, a purely private affair. The state shall neither recognise nor give support to any religion. All religions are to be treated as a mere collection of individuals 8. 9. This can only be accomplished in an equitable manner through an internationally planned economy which can use the industrial might of the 'First World' to develop the 'Third World' on a democratic basis. 10. The only way to achieve this is through a revolution carried out by the urban industrial working class. I don't necessarily know how I feel about number 4 being an entire point. Wouldn't it fall under #6 in a sense that it refers to the effects of class society on women, which leads to number 4? I don't know how I feel about sexual minorities being tied to women directly without a reference to family. Other than that, I support having those provisions listed so far (although I don't agree with all of them.)
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