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 Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:32 am
Isaac742 mazuac Isaac742 mazuac Isaac742 Do i even have to answer? And about the universe Just because we dont UNDERSTAND how it worked doesnt mean it is from god. Its like with helio centrism and geo centrism. We did not know how it woeked and since we thought we were in gods image we HAD to of been the center of the universe. Lol, sorry I can't make all my posts Atheist-relevant. >.<
And I get where you're coming from, but the creation of the Universe is impossible without an outside force. Matter, energy, etc. aren't created from nothingness (that HAS been proven, it's a LAW and can be demonstrated and proven).
@EternallyBlue: Yeah, haha, arguments are more fun! O: XD Once again, We dont know how to explain it. We have theories of us being a black hole, other universes coliding, sub quantum bubbles and MUCH MUCH MORE. But mater CAN be converted into energy The energy for those kinds of things, heat energy, light, etc., can NOT have been produced by itself.
With that logic I can say this...: Billions of years ago, aliens came to the Earth and built a machine that produced the Dinosaur bones, the creatures themselves never existed. Science just hasn't found it yet.
Of course, I'm doing something that may seem incredibly illogical to you. But when you argue "ex-futura" anything can be possible! So technically, that theory is as credible as evolution if we're arguing in the future.
And yeah, matter can be converted into energy and visa-versa. But, what I am saying, is that nothing can't be converted into something... Actually a vaccum over time can cause energy, And no. your theory of aliens #1 sounds like some stupid scientoligist. and #2 has NO scientific evidence. We have incredible some amounts of evidence for evolution and no DIRECT evidece for creation. All of creations evidence is lack of understanding of evolutoin. fixed Oh, and that's probably because you need faith for the creation theory, not scientific evidence. Just as much as you need faith to prove God exists. You cannot have one without the other.
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Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:24 am
Someoneiknow Isaac742 mazuac Isaac742 mazuac Isaac742 Do i even have to answer? And about the universe Just because we dont UNDERSTAND how it worked doesnt mean it is from god. Its like with helio centrism and geo centrism. We did not know how it woeked and since we thought we were in gods image we HAD to of been the center of the universe. Lol, sorry I can't make all my posts Atheist-relevant. >.<
And I get where you're coming from, but the creation of the Universe is impossible without an outside force. Matter, energy, etc. aren't created from nothingness (that HAS been proven, it's a LAW and can be demonstrated and proven).
@EternallyBlue: Yeah, haha, arguments are more fun! O: XD Once again, We dont know how to explain it. We have theories of us being a black hole, other universes coliding, sub quantum bubbles and MUCH MUCH MORE. But mater CAN be converted into energy The energy for those kinds of things, heat energy, light, etc., can NOT have been produced by itself.
With that logic I can say this...: Billions of years ago, aliens came to the Earth and built a machine that produced the Dinosaur bones, the creatures themselves never existed. Science just hasn't found it yet.
Of course, I'm doing something that may seem incredibly illogical to you. But when you argue "ex-futura" anything can be possible! So technically, that theory is as credible as evolution if we're arguing in the future.
And yeah, matter can be converted into energy and visa-versa. But, what I am saying, is that nothing can't be converted into something... Actually a vaccum over time can cause energy, And no. your theory of aliens #1 sounds like some stupid scientoligist. and #2 has NO scientific evidence. We have incredible some amounts of evidence for evolution and no DIRECT evidece for creation. All of creations evidence is lack of understanding of evolutoin. fixed Oh, and that's probably because you need faith for the creation theory, not scientific evidence. Just as much as you need faith to prove God exists. You cannot have one without the other. I still think you need more faith to believe in evolution. I actually kinda think the government is supporting belief in evolution so they don't have to argue about which God to believe in.
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Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:58 am
xxEternallyBluexx Someoneiknow Isaac742 mazuac Isaac742 Once again, We dont know how to explain it. We have theories of us being a black hole, other universes coliding, sub quantum bubbles and MUCH MUCH MORE. But mater CAN be converted into energy The energy for those kinds of things, heat energy, light, etc., can NOT have been produced by itself.
With that logic I can say this...: Billions of years ago, aliens came to the Earth and built a machine that produced the Dinosaur bones, the creatures themselves never existed. Science just hasn't found it yet.
Of course, I'm doing something that may seem incredibly illogical to you. But when you argue "ex-futura" anything can be possible! So technically, that theory is as credible as evolution if we're arguing in the future.
And yeah, matter can be converted into energy and visa-versa. But, what I am saying, is that nothing can't be converted into something... Actually a vaccum over time can cause energy, And no. your theory of aliens #1 sounds like some stupid scientoligist. and #2 has NO scientific evidence. We have incredible some amounts of evidence for evolution and no DIRECT evidece for creation. All of creations evidence is lack of understanding of evolutoin. fixed Oh, and that's probably because you need faith for the creation theory, not scientific evidence. Just as much as you need faith to prove God exists. You cannot have one without the other. I still think you need more faith to believe in evolution. I actually kinda think the government is supporting belief in evolution so they don't have to argue about which God to believe in. Faith? Why is Faith needed?
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Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:19 pm
Isaac742 xxEternallyBluexx Someoneiknow Isaac742 mazuac Isaac742 Once again, We dont know how to explain it. We have theories of us being a black hole, other universes coliding, sub quantum bubbles and MUCH MUCH MORE. But mater CAN be converted into energy The energy for those kinds of things, heat energy, light, etc., can NOT have been produced by itself.
With that logic I can say this...: Billions of years ago, aliens came to the Earth and built a machine that produced the Dinosaur bones, the creatures themselves never existed. Science just hasn't found it yet.
Of course, I'm doing something that may seem incredibly illogical to you. But when you argue "ex-futura" anything can be possible! So technically, that theory is as credible as evolution if we're arguing in the future.
And yeah, matter can be converted into energy and visa-versa. But, what I am saying, is that nothing can't be converted into something... Actually a vaccum over time can cause energy, And no. your theory of aliens #1 sounds like some stupid scientoligist. and #2 has NO scientific evidence. We have incredible some amounts of evidence for evolution and no DIRECT evidece for creation. All of creations evidence is lack of understanding of evolutoin. fixed Oh, and that's probably because you need faith for the creation theory, not scientific evidence. Just as much as you need faith to prove God exists. You cannot have one without the other. I still think you need more faith to believe in evolution. I actually kinda think the government is supporting belief in evolution so they don't have to argue about which God to believe in. Faith? Why is Faith needed? There's so much evidence against evolution, that you'd need alot of faith to still believe in the 'evidence' the government has to support evolution.
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Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:03 pm
soyjoy229 Isaac742 xxEternallyBluexx Someoneiknow Isaac742 Actually a vaccum over time can cause energy, And no. your theory of aliens #1 sounds like some stupid scientoligist. and #2 has NO scientific evidence. We have incredible some amounts of evidence for evolution and no DIRECT evidece for creation. All of creations evidence is lack of understanding of evolutoin. fixed Oh, and that's probably because you need faith for the creation theory, not scientific evidence. Just as much as you need faith to prove God exists. You cannot have one without the other. I still think you need more faith to believe in evolution. I actually kinda think the government is supporting belief in evolution so they don't have to argue about which God to believe in. Faith? Why is Faith needed? There's so much evidence against evolution, that you'd need alot of faith to still believe in the 'evidence' the government has to support evolution. There is almost NO evidence against religion. All evidence against it is, are things that scientists have not figured out yet. And the government does not HAVE to.
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Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:09 pm
Isaac742 soyjoy229 Isaac742 xxEternallyBluexx Someoneiknow Isaac742 Actually a vaccum over time can cause energy, And no. your theory of aliens #1 sounds like some stupid scientoligist. and #2 has NO scientific evidence. We have incredible some amounts of evidence for evolution and no DIRECT evidece for creation. All of creations evidence is lack of understanding of evolutoin. fixed Oh, and that's probably because you need faith for the creation theory, not scientific evidence. Just as much as you need faith to prove God exists. You cannot have one without the other. I still think you need more faith to believe in evolution. I actually kinda think the government is supporting belief in evolution so they don't have to argue about which God to believe in. Faith? Why is Faith needed? There's so much evidence against evolution, that you'd need alot of faith to still believe in the 'evidence' the government has to support evolution. There is almost NO evidence against religion. All evidence against it is, are things that scientists have not figured out yet. And the government does not HAVE to. Did you mean evolution? And science can't figure out everything. Science looks at how things work, not why.
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Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:26 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Isaac742 soyjoy229 Isaac742 xxEternallyBluexx I still think you need more faith to believe in evolution. I actually kinda think the government is supporting belief in evolution so they don't have to argue about which God to believe in. Faith? Why is Faith needed? There's so much evidence against evolution, that you'd need alot of faith to still believe in the 'evidence' the government has to support evolution. There is almost NO evidence against religion. All evidence against it is, are things that scientists have not figured out yet. And the government does not HAVE to. Did you mean evolution? And science can't figure out everything. Science looks at how things work, not why. Yes. Science looks for explanations and the LORD will not give one like they want to hear it cause then no one would believe like he wants us to believe. You cannot question God because he is God. Besides, I think it is written in the bible that science was going to evolve, I think i read something like that, but not like I am saying it, I think? sweatdrop Maybe I am crazy... xp
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Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:30 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Isaac742 soyjoy229 Isaac742 xxEternallyBluexx I still think you need more faith to believe in evolution. I actually kinda think the government is supporting belief in evolution so they don't have to argue about which God to believe in. Faith? Why is Faith needed? There's so much evidence against evolution, that you'd need alot of faith to still believe in the 'evidence' the government has to support evolution. There is almost NO evidence against religion. All evidence against it is, are things that scientists have not figured out yet. And the government does not HAVE to. Did you mean evolution? And science can't figure out everything. Science looks at how things work, not why. We know why evolution happens. It happens because of mutations and imperfections in genetic code.
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Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:36 pm
Isaac742 mazuac Isaac742 mazuac Isaac742 Do i even have to answer? And about the universe Just because we dont UNDERSTAND how it worked doesnt mean it is from god. Its like with helio centrism and geo centrism. We did not know how it woeked and since we thought we were in gods image we HAD to of been the center of the universe. Lol, sorry I can't make all my posts Atheist-relevant. >.<
And I get where you're coming from, but the creation of the Universe is impossible without an outside force. Matter, energy, etc. aren't created from nothingness (that HAS been proven, it's a LAW and can be demonstrated and proven).
@EternallyBlue: Yeah, haha, arguments are more fun! O: XD Once again, We dont know how to explain it. We have theories of us being a black hole, other universes coliding, sub quantum bubbles and MUCH MUCH MORE. But mater CAN be converted into energy The energy for those kinds of things, heat energy, light, etc., can NOT have been produced by itself.
With that logic I can say this...: Billions of years ago, aliens came to the Earth and built a machine that produced the Dinosaur bones, the creatures themselves never existed. Science just hasn't found it yet.
Of course, I'm doing something that may seem incredibly illogical to you. But when you argue "ex-futura" anything can be possible! So technically, that theory is as credible as evolution if we're arguing in the future.
And yeah, matter can be converted into energy and visa-versa. But, what I am saying, is that nothing can't be converted into something... Actually a vaccum over time can cause energy, And no. your theory of aliens #1 sounds like some stupid scientoligist. and #2 has NO scientific evidence. We have incredible amounts of evidence for evolution and no DIRECT evidece for creation. All of creations evidence is lack of understanding of evolutoin. What? Prove it please, I need more information if I'm to say anything else on this. A vacuum, with nothing in it, can cause energy? That's impossible! >.<
And no, Creationism is not just arguing about the many flaws in evolution. There are seriously many reasons why I beleive in Creationism over evolution. Yeah, there is scientific evidence for Evolution, but also Creation. You have to look under certain perspectives to see different views at times, however.
And as for my theory, that's what you say... But science just hasn't found it yet. We will find it, sooner or later, but now we don't have it.
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:55 pm
mazuac Isaac742 mazuac Isaac742 mazuac Isaac742 Do i even have to answer? And about the universe Just because we dont UNDERSTAND how it worked doesnt mean it is from god. Its like with helio centrism and geo centrism. We did not know how it woeked and since we thought we were in gods image we HAD to of been the center of the universe. Lol, sorry I can't make all my posts Atheist-relevant. >.<
And I get where you're coming from, but the creation of the Universe is impossible without an outside force. Matter, energy, etc. aren't created from nothingness (that HAS been proven, it's a LAW and can be demonstrated and proven).
@EternallyBlue: Yeah, haha, arguments are more fun! O: XD Once again, We dont know how to explain it. We have theories of us being a black hole, other universes coliding, sub quantum bubbles and MUCH MUCH MORE. But mater CAN be converted into energy The energy for those kinds of things, heat energy, light, etc., can NOT have been produced by itself.
With that logic I can say this...: Billions of years ago, aliens came to the Earth and built a machine that produced the Dinosaur bones, the creatures themselves never existed. Science just hasn't found it yet.
Of course, I'm doing something that may seem incredibly illogical to you. But when you argue "ex-futura" anything can be possible! So technically, that theory is as credible as evolution if we're arguing in the future.
And yeah, matter can be converted into energy and visa-versa. But, what I am saying, is that nothing can't be converted into something... Actually a vaccum over time can cause energy, And no. your theory of aliens #1 sounds like some stupid scientoligist. and #2 has NO scientific evidence. We have incredible amounts of evidence for evolution and no DIRECT evidece for creation. All of creations evidence is lack of understanding of evolutoin. What? Prove it please, I need more information if I'm to say anything else on this. A vacuum, with nothing in it, can cause energy? That's impossible! >.<
And no, Creationism is not just arguing about the many flaws in evolution. There are seriously many reasons why I beleive in Creationism over evolution. Yeah, there is scientific evidence for Evolution, but also Creation. You have to look under certain perspectives to see different views at times, however.
And as for my theory, that's what you say... But science just hasn't found it yet. We will find it, sooner or later, but now we don't have it. Except scientist, people who are HUNDREDS of times more intelligent that me or you, are stacking up consistantly on the Evolution side of the debate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:09 am
Why can't matter and energy or something else than a god be infinite and eternal? Why a god? What is a god anyway?
It sounds to me that you just try to desperately fit your god somewhere.
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:11 am
Marduk379 Why can't matter and energy or something else than a god be infinite and eternal? Why a god? What is a god anyway? It sounds to me that you just try to desperately fit your god somewhere. There is large amounts of evidence to show the universe is expanding and is not infinite. There is a lot of "Background" radiation that comes from everywhere in the universe. This energy could of only been produced from an explosion of massive proportions.
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:16 am
Isaac742 Marduk379 Why can't matter and energy or something else than a god be infinite and eternal? Why a god? What is a god anyway? It sounds to me that you just try to desperately fit your god somewhere. There is large amounts of evidence to show the universe is expanding and is not infinite. There is a lot of "Background" radiation that comes from everywhere in the universe. This energy could of only been produced from an explosion of massive proportions. The point I'm trying to make is that people claim the universe itself had a beginning and that the model of Big Bang describes that beginning and creation of the universe. For all we know the universe could very well have existed in some other form " before" the singularity the model describes. Thus the universe could be infinite and eternal. It's all up for speculations of course, but for someone to claim that the universe at one point didn't exist as in nothing at all existed is unsupported by evidence. That's what I presume the OP is doing.
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:47 am
Marduk379 Isaac742 Marduk379 Why can't matter and energy or something else than a god be infinite and eternal? Why a god? What is a god anyway? It sounds to me that you just try to desperately fit your god somewhere. There is large amounts of evidence to show the universe is expanding and is not infinite. There is a lot of "Background" radiation that comes from everywhere in the universe. This energy could of only been produced from an explosion of massive proportions. The point I'm trying to make is that people claim the universe itself had a beginning and that the model of Big Bang describes that beginning and creation of the universe. For all we know the universe could very well have existed in some other form " before" the singularity the model describes. Thus the universe could be infinite and eternal. It's all up for speculations of course, but for someone to claim that the universe at one point didn't exist as in nothing at all existed is unsupported by evidence. That's what I presume the OP is doing. There are multiple theories on the universes formation. Some say we are in quantum molecular bubble inside of a dead universe. Others say we were formed by parallel universes. What i want to know is what do Christians think made god? Mormons think he had a dad who had a dad and so on.
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:08 am
Isaac742 Marduk379 Isaac742 Marduk379 Why can't matter and energy or something else than a god be infinite and eternal? Why a god? What is a god anyway? It sounds to me that you just try to desperately fit your god somewhere. There is large amounts of evidence to show the universe is expanding and is not infinite. There is a lot of "Background" radiation that comes from everywhere in the universe. This energy could of only been produced from an explosion of massive proportions. The point I'm trying to make is that people claim the universe itself had a beginning and that the model of Big Bang describes that beginning and creation of the universe. For all we know the universe could very well have existed in some other form " before" the singularity the model describes. Thus the universe could be infinite and eternal. It's all up for speculations of course, but for someone to claim that the universe at one point didn't exist as in nothing at all existed is unsupported by evidence. That's what I presume the OP is doing. There are multiple theories on the universes formation. Some say we are in quantum molecular bubble inside of a dead universe. Others say we were formed by parallel universes. What i want to know is what do Christians think made god? Mormons think he had a dad who had a dad and so on. You have to ask them about it. Although I doubt that many of them believe God was made.
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