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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:01 pm


This is a question I like to ask allot. If you're in another of my writing guilds chances are you've seen me ask it before, but...
What is "depth" within the context of literature?

Does "depth" refer to how human/believable/relateable the characters within a work are?
Does it refer to any philosophies or concepts presented in the book? If so, do these concepts have to be "new" ones, or can a tired old and reused philosophical concept also be "deep"?
Is it something that tries to explain the nature of the human condition to the reader?
Or, could depth just be when an author sounds heavy enough make the reader think what they're reading is "deep"?
Does it all depend on each individual reader?

How would you define "depth"?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:55 pm


Like many words, depth has more than one meaning, even when applied to literature.

In terms of characters, "depth" is talking about the structure of the character. Are they stock? Are they two dimensional? Are they over idealized? Are they three dimensional? A so called "deep" character will seem like a fully realized person. A person whose adventures who happen to be reading about.

You root for them, you scream at them, and you cry for them. They are like friends, and if done correctly, cherished friends. You wait with baited breath to see if they can fall in love, or you feel your heart race when they are put in danger. The less "real" the character, the less "depth" it has, the less likely(though not impossible) it is for your readers to identify with them.

Depth in terms of the overall book, and not a particular element-like plot-, has to do with your themes.

Some books don't have much in the way of a theme, or their theme is light-hearted, shallow, or poorly executed. Nothing wrong with a light theme or one without a real deep moral point. Some things are fluff, meant to entertain but not to cause thought. However, confronting the nature of man, the moral stances of your society, the ghosts of your history, the stark realities of another's existence, that is what literature is for.

Literature, like all art, is many things, but one of its more important facets, above and beyond simple entertainment, is the creation and propagation of cultural memes, or the challenging of them. Some books seek to, or unthinkingly, forward and maintain the status quo, while others challenge it. Some pass on moral ideals to the next generation(especially common in children's and young adult literature.), while others push those same children to think.

Yes some art is for entertainment, but the "deep" art, as much as art in and of itself can have depth, sends a message. The better it sends its message the more "deep" it is, and often the more subtly the message is layered throughout the text. The more heavy the message, as commentary on the "nature of man" is a stronger ideal to wrestle with than "friendship is magical", the more depth can be lent, but darker and stronger themes need to be handled with a more subtle instead of liberal hand lest you end up in "ham" or "sledge hammer of symbolism" level bad.

Just my 17 and a half cents.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:29 pm


"Depth" in my opinion can have multiple meanings.

A work itself doesn't have to be "deep" to be enjoyable. Goodness knows how much I live Sailor Moon. However, having certain types of depth can improve a work greatly.

For example, character depth. This does not mean having a sagely or "mysterious" character that has a lot of profound sounding one-liners. It means having dynamic, well-rounded characters that feel like they could be real people. For example, if you have a female character who thinks its important to find a boyfriend, explain why that is. Was she brought up in a militantly patriarchal household? Was she raised in a chauvinistic society and indoctrinated at a young age? Why is finding a man so important to her? Does this goal change at all as the story progresses? Does she evolve as a person and learn that she doesn't need a man to function as an individual? If she is given a back story that is consistent with her current views and behaviors, learns that there are other ways, and learns and changes accordingly, and evolves as a person as a whole. Then that is a "deep" character.

There's also depth of story. This is where an author develops their plot to a similar degree I described in the above paragraph. With a back story that not only sets the scene for the reader, but also opens an over-arching tone or atmosphere for the coming tale. A fully formed world, names, places, histories. Things that, while they may not affect the story directly, still show that the world is as developed and complete as the real world. So that, no matter how fantastical, far fetched, or absurd it is, it still feels like it could be a real world and the story feels like true events that took place or are taking place in the world.

There's also depth of ideas or themes. These are the books that use the telling of a story to teach a lesson, or explain a philosophy. Stories like Grimm's Fairy Tales or Asops Fables, or Ursual K. LeGuin's The Word for World is Forrest or Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged.

So… yeah. Depth can have lots of meanings.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:11 am


Depth is... something I don't worry about intentionally. I write with the aim of making something that's fun to read. If it makes people think, then that's great too. It's probably something I do without thinking 'Okay, how do I make depth?' Instead, I question motives, connections, plausibility vs entertainment, functions, conflicts, balance or imbalance, and so on. So, I think when you immerse yourself in the world of your story and see to it that it all works from that point of view, the story should be perceived as having depth. But more often, I find myself thinking 'Okay, how do I make this awesome?' instead.

It's also something I don't think about when reading, but I do notice it occasionally.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:06 pm


Depth is showing what motivates a character. What makes them who they are, and what makes them tick. Like a plant showing the dirt in which their dreams, wishes, personality, and maybe even looks came from.

It is also events that happen to the character that shape them into the one that you want to continue on in a story for example

I have a characters named Myra and Linda in Kingdom hearts and their taking the mission of being a key bearer like a playtime game (due to all the Disney cuteness going on). In order to give them a sense of taking it serious I had them witness something gruesome to ground them in the reality of how dangerous their job really is.

So now that I made that happen they can be free spirited but when it comes to a battle they will very serious.

Least that's a way to give depth or the way I think of it
PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:35 pm


I feel that depth is a vague concept but one that should be acknowledge at least a bit. I feel that true depth in a tale or any work of fiction is in essence trying to capture and depict a world and all who reside in it. The actual act of writing is very two dimensional and it is the responsibility to add that third dimension to the story. This encompasses everything that the story could possibly be about. Without this, there is nothing to immerse yourself into and therefore, no depth. I could go on but I rather think this illustrates my point. razz

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 12:49 pm


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I feel that depth is a vague concept but one that should be acknowledge at least a bit. I feel that true depth in a tale or any work of fiction is in essence trying to capture and depict a world and all who reside in it. The actual act of writing is very two dimensional and it is the responsibility to add that third dimension to the story. This encompasses everything that the story could possibly be about. Without this, there is nothing to immerse yourself into and therefore, no depth. I could go on but I rather think this illustrates my point. razz


I completely agree with this. To me, depth is all-encompassing and can be applied to the story-line and the characters. Depth is in the richness of the world, the complexity of the inner workings of the character, and the full-bodied component of the plot.
PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:37 am


I have heard people call Twilight "deep". Your thoughts on that?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:21 am


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I have heard people call Twilight "deep". Your thoughts on that?

Who in their right mind says that?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:30 am


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I have heard people call Twilight "deep". Your thoughts on that?
Who in their right mind says that?

12-year-old girls who think the characters "speak to them in a deep and profound way" or who wish they could some day find a love "as passionate and true" as Edward and Bella.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:11 pm


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I have heard people call Twilight "deep". Your thoughts on that?
Who in their right mind says that?

12-year-old girls who think the characters "speak to them in a deep and profound way" or who wish they could some day find a love "as passionate and true" as Edward and Bella.

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The Hell !@##@!!!
Sorry, I am not a proponent of burning books but restricting access is another thing entirely!
This toxic brainwashing nonsense that is Twilight should not be allowed near children under a certain age.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:58 pm


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... Twilight should not be allowed near children under a certain age.

And yet, the majority of Twi-hard fans were actually 40-year-old married women. I don't think limiting the age of exposure would fix the problem.

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