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 Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:18 pm
Lianara colonelhavoc Shadow: I'm not even gonna read that because it's too long and I'm lazy.
Finora: Not necessarily, a quiet kid could come out of a tough family or a tough kid from a quiet family. It really depends on whether or not the child feels opressed or in the way.
Shadow: I agree with you. Had their situations been switched they would have reacted similarly to the way they acted originally. It's not necessarily the situations they were in, which I agree do have somewhat of an influence, but the spirit, or personality or what have you that they were born with which dictated how they reacted to the situations. And power-hungry Slytherin loved those of great ambition...|> ---|Definitely. As we grow up, the peer groups we form or join have a huge influence on us. What is very telling about the Tom/Harry situation is that even though Harry is raised with no friends until he's ten years old and Tom is raised with a group of children who most likely would have befriended each other, they still turned out they way they did.|--- <|Slytherin Pride!
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:50 pm
Of course, friends are most definitely play a large role in the shaping of a person. Eventually, when you're not stuck to your mother's leg like a leech, you will need other people to look to as role models, especially when your annoying parents think of you as little babies. So, instead of your family, one would end up hanging moreso with their friends. And, the more you hang around someone, the more you tend to pick up certain beliefs or characteristics about them. Voldemort didn't only not have the Weasley family, he didn't have Ronald, Hermione and Hagrid as friends.
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:18 pm
But even though Harry didn't have friends over all, it does say that people wanted to befriend Harry but Dudley scared them all away and beat up anyone who was nice to him. I think Harry saw this and knew that people wanted to be his friend but it was just another thing the Dursley's would not allow him. I don't think any of the children at the orphanage wanted to be friends with Tom. Whether they were scared away or not Harry had people who wanted to get to know him.
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:05 pm
colonelhavoc But even though Harry didn't have friends over all, it does say that people wanted to befriend Harry but Dudley scared them all away and beat up anyone who was nice to him. I think Harry saw this and knew that people wanted to be his friend but it was just another thing the Dursley's would not allow him. I don't think any of the children at the orphanage wanted to be friends with Tom. Whether they were scared away or not Harry had people who wanted to get to know him. And power-hungry Slytherin loved those of great ambition...|> ---|But they were scared of Tom because he intentionally did things to frighten them, whereas Harry never did. If Harry had done nasty things to other students while nobody was looking, he would have been given a pretty wide berth too, Dudley notwithstanding. The fact is, though, that he never did - the random magic of Harry's childhood was all focused on keeping himself safe in some way and never on causing harm.|--- <|Slytherin Pride!
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:40 am
Shadow is right. From what we know, the kids at the orphanage avoided Tom, if not only because that he did things to them to make them feel unsafe around him, Tom was... frightening, even at that age. Not a physical kind of scary, but, as we discussed earlier, it's that aura-type thing. When you're around someone that just... doesn't feel right, people avoid that awkwardness, even if it's subconsciously. And, we know this is right because in Hogwarts, Tom still didn't have any friends! Everyone avoided him there as well. Harry didn't have any of this freaky aura, so people were still coming to him, but Dudley fought them off because he's an overgrown a**.
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:28 pm
Finora Lupin Shadow is right. From what we know, the kids at the orphanage avoided Tom, if not only because that he did things to them to make them feel unsafe around him, Tom was... frightening, even at that age. Not a physical kind of scary, but, as we discussed earlier, it's that aura-type thing. When you're around someone that just... doesn't feel right, people avoid that awkwardness, even if it's subconsciously. And, we know this is right because in Hogwarts, Tom still didn't have any friends! Everyone avoided him there as well. Harry didn't have any of this freaky aura, so people were still coming to him, but Dudley fought them off because he's an overgrown a**. And power-hungry Slytherin loved those of great ambition...|> ---|You're almost right. Tom might have had that "aura", but he was excellent at charming people into liking him. Witness: the teachers, most of whom adored him. I don't imagine that it would have been so different with the kids: if Tom wanted them to like him, they would.|--- <|Slytherin Pride!
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:27 pm
Ok, I guess I can agree with that. I think it was more... children friends, I was speaking of. Tom had a charm with adults that kind of worries me. It's like he completely skipped being a child and went straight onto adult-hood, even at the age of... 9. Maybe that's why Tom never really found himself surrounded by younger people, even when he was in an orphanage. He felt like he was more matur and they were... too childish for him?
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:50 pm
And power-hungry Slytherin loved those of great ambition...|> ---|Or that he wanted to be mature so much that he could act the part convincingly. I think he charmed the students, too; he definitely had a posse of followers while he was at Hogwarts, as seen in the Slughorn's office memory.|--- <|Slytherin Pride!
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:26 am
Well, there will always be the fanclub for evil people. I mean, they are... evil.
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:17 am
wait so are you saying that he's a smarter, more charming version of Draco?
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:43 am
Noo... if anything, Draco was trying to be like Tom, but it failed miserably. See, Tom has a suave... swavvy... type of thing going for him because he's so cool and he has so much charm. Draco, on the other hand, would aim for something like that and not succeed. He aimed for the stars, and missed.
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:18 pm
That's what I meant, like Draco tried to be all that but could never get it right. Tom almost didnt have to try.
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