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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:12 pm

IrishHavanaWhitewolf

*Yawn* I have in no way lied. In fact I have done the complete opposite of the matter. Because I do not in any way agree with you last posting three that makes me lier? Please by all means tell me where I have lied. As for being wicca. Yes I am and have been a practicing wicca for many years and as such I will continue to call myself wicca. In no way in this world and the next can anyone in this guild or anywhere else for that matter can any of you tell me other wise. But please do go right ahead. It gives me gold. And it perfects my typing skills.

1. Lineage, Tradition and coven of aforementioned initiate.

2 sources to back up your bullshit.

3. Your not Wiccan, and you dont even know enough about the religion to claim to practice outer court material, let alone claim to practice Wicca as a Wiccan.

Your willfully ignorant, apparently dishonest (until otherwise proven) and apparently have trouble connecting with reality and accepting facts.

By the way, Gardner was *suppossedly* initiated into a witchcraft cult. Not Wicca itself. He later formed the religion Wicca based on the Blackforest Coven, Thelema, The Golden Dawn, Free masonry and such. And fabricated claims of antiquity for the religion based on the works of Marguret Murray. All of which works were debunked over thirty years ago. Read the ******** list of books I provided and get a clue.

None of which negates the fact that... *GASP* Wicca is still an initiatory religion.

Oh... Yeah... Regardless of whether you care or not...

IT IS SPELLED *INITIATION*

And No, Witchcraft, Wicca and Paganism are Not the same things and do NOT have the same beliefs, ideals, philosophies and practices.

Thats even more inaccurate than the tripe you were spouting before. Your knowledge on the matter is actually deteriorating, if thats even possible. Being that I thought one would actually need a basis of knowledge to lose first. confused

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:32 am

Shimegamis_Rage

IrishHavanaWhitewolf

*Yawn* I have in no way lied. In fact I have done the complete opposite of the matter. Because I do not in any way agree with you last posting three that makes me lier? Please by all means tell me where I have lied. As for being wicca. Yes I am and have been a practicing wicca for many years and as such I will continue to call myself wicca. In no way in this world and the next can anyone in this guild or anywhere else for that matter can any of you tell me other wise. But please do go right ahead. It gives me gold. And it perfects my typing skills.

1. Lineage, Tradition and coven of aforementioned initiate.

2 sources to back up your bullshit.

3. Your not Wiccan, and you dont even know enough about the religion to claim to practice outer court material, let alone claim to practice Wicca as a Wiccan.

Your willfully ignorant, apparently dishonest (until otherwise proven) and apparently have trouble connecting with reality and accepting facts.

By the way, Gardner was *suppossedly* initiated into a witchcraft cult. Not Wicca itself. He later formed the religion Wicca based on the Blackforest Coven, Thelema, The Golden Dawn, Free masonry and such. And fabricated claims of antiquity for the religion based on the works of Marguret Murray. All of which works were debunked over thirty years ago. Read the ******** list of books I provided and get a clue.

None of which negates the fact that... *GASP* Wicca is still an initiatory religion.

Oh... Yeah... Regardless of whether you care or not...

IT IS SPELLED *INITIATION*

And No, Witchcraft, Wicca and Paganism are Not the same things and do NOT have the same beliefs, ideals, philosophies and practices.

Thats even more inaccurate than the tripe you were spouting before. Your knowledge on the matter is actually deteriorating, if thats even possible. Being that I thought one would actually need a basis of knowledge to lose first. confused

Actually since everything in this world you are only stating OPINION. Gardner himself only stated OPINION. Books that you all post up give the authors OPINION. Websites that you have sited only state OPINIONS of the creature.
Once again show me where I was dishonest.
Well if the creator created the religion then by rights witchs/pagans/wiccans should be killed because the bible says "...Suffer not a witch to live..." but the church and government doesn't allow it anymore. The rules have changed to suit the times.

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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:20 pm

IrishHavanaWhitewolf

Actually since everything in this world you are only stating OPINION. Gardner himself only stated OPINION. Books that you all post up give the authors OPINION. Websites that you have sited only state OPINIONS of the creature.

you really aren't reading anything we're providing then because they all cover a good amount of research that supports their opinion, unlike your posts which only state your opinion and nothing to back it up.

IrishHavanaWhitewolf

Well if the creator created the religion then by rights witchs/pagans/wiccans should be killed because the bible says "...Suffer not a witch to live..."

please, explain this statement. i can't seem to make heads or tales of what your point is here.

IrishHavanaWhitewolf

but the church and government doesn't allow it anymore.

1. translation that you are using please. there have been a fair amount of discoveries and studies that have allowed us to expand our understanding of what the original texts are actually saying. with that new knowledge, there have been many attempts at re-translating the texts and have provided more accurate accounts that what we previously had.

2. much of what is considered 'witchcraft' by most of society is also considered superstitious and folklore. it is not held seriously.

3. depending on if you are in the us or not - seperation of church and state.

IrishHavanaWhitewolf

The rules have changed to suit the times.

what rules have changed to suit the times? please also consider why they changed.

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:53 pm

IrishHavanaWhitewolf

Actually since everything in this world you are only stating OPINION. Gardner himself only stated OPINION. Books that you all post up give the authors OPINION. Websites that you have sited only state OPINIONS of the creature.
Once again show me where I was dishonest.
Well if the creator created the religion then by rights witchs/pagans/wiccans should be killed because the bible says "...Suffer not a witch to live..." but the church and government doesn't allow it anymore. The rules have changed to suit the times.

There is a difference between fact and opinion.

YOU are stating incorrect information.
We are stating facts.

An opinion is:
" I think blue is a pretty color. And I dont like this band."
" I dont like the Pope."

A Fact is:
" I am female."
"Wicca is an initiatory religion."
"The Pope is Catholic."
"Gardner created the religion Wicca."

Grow the ******** up and hook into reality kid.
Your posts contradict themselves. And your stating logical fallacies. Its intellectual dishonesty.

And the original translation of that bible verse is POISONER, not witch. Do your damn research. Its not that flipping hard.

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