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 Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:42 pm
Zanmato I've just finished the book and wanted to discuss the book. XD I didn't like how it ended, I felt he dragged on about nothing for far too long when he could have been explaining all the secrets. D: Also, I think that there will be more books, considering the final picture with the question mark in the water. Also, he has to explain all the unexplained questions, he just can't leave us like this. gonk Here are questions he left unanswered according to wikipedia: * How did Fernald (the Hook-Handed Man) lose his hands? * Who leads V.F.D., if anyone? * What was the cause of the schism? * Who was the woman who took the Denouements when they were children? * What is the important object inside the sugar bowl? * Why did Captain Widdershins leave the Baudelaires? * Who died and who escaped in the fire at Hotel Denouement? * What is the question mark shaped object in the water? * What happened to The Man With a Beard but No Hair and the Woman With Hair but No Beard? * Who really started the fire at the Baudelaire mansion? o (in The End, it was implied that Count Olaf did not) * Are the Quagmire Triplets, Captain Widdershins, Fiona, and Fernald still alive? * What happens to the Baudelaires when they leave the island? Back to the opening question: I think the leader of VFD isnt M (Montgomery), because VFD is a worldwide organization. Olaf isn't in charge of the fight fire with fire side of the schism, I don't even think the man w/beard & the woman w/hair are. I think The Great Unknown was left unknown as an artisitic choice because it was something the Baudelaires wouldn't ever understand, like there are some things the reader will never understand. But this is the best completed "kids'" series I've ever read, by far. (I reserve judgement on Harry Potter). To Lemony! Mr Toad
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:37 am
MrToad Back to the opening question: I think the leader of VFD isnt M (Montgomery), because VFD is a worldwide organization. Olaf isn't in charge of the fight fire with fire side of the schism, I don't even think the man w/beard & the woman w/hair are. I think The Great Unknown was left unknown as an artisitic choice because it was something the Baudelaires wouldn't ever understand, like there are some things the reader will never understand. But this is the best completed "kids'" series I've ever read, by far. (I reserve judgement on Harry Potter). To Lemony! Mr Toad Cheers to Lemony! mrgreen I agree completely about The Great Unknown, it was an excellent idea to leave it a mystery since it was more symbolic than anything. I also agree about Montgomery and Olaf, even though they were members of their own sides, I don't think either of them were the actual leaders.
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:49 am
paradoxical MrToad Back to the opening question: I think the leader of VFD isnt M (Montgomery), because VFD is a worldwide organization. Olaf isn't in charge of the fight fire with fire side of the schism, I don't even think the man w/beard & the woman w/hair are. I think The Great Unknown was left unknown as an artisitic choice because it was something the Baudelaires wouldn't ever understand, like there are some things the reader will never understand. But this is the best completed "kids'" series I've ever read, by far. (I reserve judgement on Harry Potter). To Lemony! Mr Toad Cheers to Lemony! mrgreen I agree completely about The Great Unknown, it was an excellent idea to leave it a mystery since it was more symbolic than anything. I also agree about Montgomery and Olaf, even though they were members of their own sides, I don't think either of them were the actual leaders. I agree, too! Neither of them could have been the leaders, and Olaf was actually frightened of other "bad guys" so he propably wasn't their leader. I never thought that all the secrets would be released, so I thought that the book was quite good apart from the fact that Mr. Snicket rambled a bit. I mean, he just kept going on and on.
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:22 pm
Here's my answers to some of the questions (understand that these obviously are not the right answers per se, just my opinion).
* How did Fernald (the Hook-Handed Man) lose his hands? Somehow I think of Lucky Smells, clearly before the Baudelaires arrive. It just seems that table saws and wood chippers would be a common way to lose one's hands.
* Who leads V.F.D., if anyone? I think it isn't run my anyone in particular, which is why the schism wasn't prevented. With no leadership, there was no medium for diplomacy.
* What was the cause of the schism? I think it was probably those who sought revenge for wrong doings verses those who chose to turn a blind eye. Those out for revenge 'fight fire with fire', those who do not prefer to keep the world 'quiet'.
* Who was the woman who took the Denouements when they were children? No idea, none.
* What is the important object inside the sugar bowl? I think it was horseradish. There's a passage that sort of hints at it in The End.
* Why did Captain Widdershins leave the Baudelaires? 'Cause he's a jerk... I don't know, but I'm sure it was a good reason. Perhaps the swimming woman was his wife?
* Who died and who escaped in the fire at Hotel Denouement? To many to name. Although I believe most of the characters we've encountered made it out. Maybe another henchmen died, to stick with the recurring theme.
* What is the question mark shaped object in the water? I always thought it was a submarine operated by TMWBBNH and TWWHBNB.
* What happened to The Man With a Beard but No Hair and the Woman With Hair but No Beard? They continue their mysterious ways with their mysterious submarine.
* Who really started the fire at the Baudelaire mansion? If not Olaf, then perhaps Esme? See seems to have it in for Beatrice. Or TMWBBNH and... Oh, forget the acronym, you know who I mean.
* Are the Quagmire Triplets, Captain Widdershins, Fiona, and Fernald still alive? The Quagmires? Definately. At least Isadora and Duncan are, they were relatively safe in the balloon. I think the rest are alive to, although purely because I'm an optimist.
* What happens to the Baudelaires when they leave the island? They meet up with Mr. Poe, perhaps claim the fortune (if Violet is old enough by the time they leave). If not, they somehow secure funds for an apartment or something. They probably get jobs to support Beatrice until VFD 'takes' her and have a financially difficult life until the inheritance kicks in.
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:04 pm
I think that we'll never find out what 'The Great Unknown' really is.
Partly because it's his artistic choice, as was mentioned, and partly because I think it would lose it's allure and that 'fear' it brings about FROM being unknown.
Plus, what could POSSIBLY be in there? Maybe Lemony doesn't even know, or couldn't think of anything bad enough so he left it to our imaginations.
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:43 am
paradoxical Donut Conspiracy Y'know... the series makes a lot more sense if you ignore the Beatrice Letters and the Biography... The only thing that pisses me off is we never found out what was in the sugar bowl. Mara Mylene Sugar Bowl - am I the only one who thinks the contents may have just been horseradish? I know this is a weird conclusion to draw, but something the orphans read while frantically skimming A Series of Unfortunate Events made me think that was what's inside. I don't have the book on me, so I can't quote, but I will later. It sort of makes sense, since the contents of the sugar bowl is uber important; horseradish is pretty much the only cure for the Meudusoid Mycellium (sp?). Or perhaps the contents is the mushroom itself? Tim the Robot What is the important object inside the sugar bowl? A cure for the Medusoid Mycelium. When Klaus is reading about the antidote under the apple tree, he is cut off saying "Beatrice has a small amount in the vess--". Another name for the sugar bowl was said to be the "Vessel For Disaccharides". Or, maybe there isn't actually anything in there. I mean, in the actual world there would be, but Daniel Handler/Lemony Snicket just intended it to be a mystery and never specified anything in particular. Sort of like 'the magical stone of [insert kingdom name here]' that appears in a lot of fantasy novels. It's needed, and is supposedly 'powerful' but it's never specified what it does. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McguffinSee the above link for more information.
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 3:00 pm
Donut Conspiracy paradoxical Donut Conspiracy Y'know... the series makes a lot more sense if you ignore the Beatrice Letters and the Biography... The only thing that pisses me off is we never found out what was in the sugar bowl. Mara Mylene Sugar Bowl - am I the only one who thinks the contents may have just been horseradish? I know this is a weird conclusion to draw, but something the orphans read while frantically skimming A Series of Unfortunate Events made me think that was what's inside. I don't have the book on me, so I can't quote, but I will later. It sort of makes sense, since the contents of the sugar bowl is uber important; horseradish is pretty much the only cure for the Meudusoid Mycellium (sp?). Or perhaps the contents is the mushroom itself? Tim the Robot What is the important object inside the sugar bowl? A cure for the Medusoid Mycelium. When Klaus is reading about the antidote under the apple tree, he is cut off saying "Beatrice has a small amount in the vess--". Another name for the sugar bowl was said to be the "Vessel For Disaccharides". Or, maybe there isn't actually anything in there. I mean, in the actual world there would be, but Daniel Handler/Lemony Snicket just intended it to be a mystery and never specified anything in particular. Sort of like 'the magical stone of [insert kingdom name here]' that appears in a lot of fantasy novels. It's needed, and is supposedly 'powerful' but it's never specified what it does. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McguffinSee the above link for more information. That's a good theory, the whole mystery bit is pretty essential. I guess I like the idea of the Baudelaire's parents leaving something behind to help them than nothing at all. It's obvious he intentionally left a lot unsolved, so it's only natural that we wonder about the sugarbowl too.
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:45 pm
I don't know exactly any of those answers.
I just have an answer to a question:
Who exactly is Beatrice? I'll tell you.
Beatrice is the Baudelaire's mother.
In The End, Kit Snicket tells the
Baudelaires to name her daughter after
one of their parents. They name her
BEATRICE. That is obviously a girl
name. Also that Violet, Klaus and
Sunny's father is named Bertrand.
(As quoted in book 12.)
I also have questions of my own:
Were Count Olaf and Kit Snicket
ever together? Where did the Baudelaires
go after they left the island?
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:46 am
f8njoann I also have questions of my own: Were Count Olaf and Kit Snicket ever together? Where did the Baudelaires go after they left the island? I'm fairly certain Kit and Olaf were together at sometime. You don't just passionatly kiss a total stranger. He was also quite concerned about her, and he's never concerned about anybody. I'm guessing that his choice in what side of the schism he was on caused Kit to reject him. Doesn't mean he stopped loving her, just like Lemony never stopped loving Beatrice. In respect to where the Baudelaires go after the island, I'm pretty sure they go back to the city that they came from. We know Beatrice makes it there eventually because she tails Lemony in the Beatrice Letters. She makes reference to listening to Sunny on the radio, and since radio stations are fairly localized, we know that she's probably in town too. I think it stands to reason that if Beatrice and Sunny are in the city, than Violet and Klaus must be too. They never split themselves up before all the unfortunate events, I fail to see why they would after. Granted, this is at least nine years after they left the island (The Beatrice Letters, that is) so I suppose they could have went their separate ways by now, but Violet is under some obligation to share the fortune with her siblings, so I'm sure she is still responsible for them in some way (at least Sunny, she's only about 12 when TBL are written).
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:01 pm
I really was amazed by the last book. I read it in ONE NIGHT! Oh, I loved it!
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:13 pm
*hanging on a cliff until i know how it really ended while answering all the questions*
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:49 pm
Okay, all this talk about Beatrice is making me rip my hair out. I'm pretty sure Beatrice is the Baudelaire's mom, Kit Snicket's baby, Lemony Snicket's poem misstress, but in Chapter Fourteen of The End, while The Baudelaire's are reading their mother's passage, ((First page of Chapter 14)) she mentions:
"We will leave by a boat B has built and named after me."
Who is this B?!?!?!?!
**There is a new book coming out by LS named Horseradish: Bitter Truths You Can't Avoid.
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:12 pm
Kira-13 Okay, all this talk about Beatrice is making me rip my hair out. I'm pretty sure Beatrice is the Baudelaire's mom, Kit Snicket's baby, Lemony Snicket's poem misstress, but in Chapter Fourteen of The End, while The Baudelaire's are reading their mother's passage, ((First page of Chapter 14)) she mentions:
"We will leave by a boat B has built and named after me."
Who is this B?!?!?!?!
**There is a new book coming out by LS named Horseradish: Bitter Truths You Can't Avoid. !!!
Her husband probably. I believe the Baudelaire's father's name begins with a B as well.
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:06 pm
ashleybah! Kira-13 Okay, all this talk about Beatrice is making me rip my hair out. I'm pretty sure Beatrice is the Baudelaire's mom, Kit Snicket's baby, Lemony Snicket's poem misstress, but in Chapter Fourteen of The End, while The Baudelaire's are reading their mother's passage, ((First page of Chapter 14)) she mentions:
"We will leave by a boat B has built and named after me."
Who is this B?!?!?!?!
**There is a new book coming out by LS named Horseradish: Bitter Truths You Can't Avoid. !!!
Her husband probably. I believe the Baudelaire's father's name begins with a B as well. Good point, thanks for pointing that one out for me. mrgreen Now I can sleep.
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 3:52 pm
N I T E M A R ExKira ashleybah! Kira-13 Okay, all this talk about Beatrice is making me rip my hair out. I'm pretty sure Beatrice is the Baudelaire's mom, Kit Snicket's baby, Lemony Snicket's poem misstress, but in Chapter Fourteen of The End, while The Baudelaire's are reading their mother's passage, ((First page of Chapter 14)) she mentions:
"We will leave by a boat B has built and named after me."
Who is this B?!?!?!?!
**There is a new book coming out by LS named Horseradish: Bitter Truths You Can't Avoid. !!!
Her husband probably. I believe the Baudelaire's father's name begins with a B as well. Good point, thanks for pointing that one out for me. mrgreen Now I can sleep. His name was Bertrand if you were wondering...
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