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Saurus Oldblood: 230
-Light Armor
-Blade of the Revered Tzunki
-Enchanted sheild
Saurus Scar-Vetran: 134
-Light Armor
-Great Weapon
-Glyph Necklace
-Venom of the Firefly Frog
Skink Priest: 440
-Lvl2
-Dispell Scrollx2
-Engine of the Gods
Saurus Warriors: 750
-3 units of 20 sauru wariors
-All with full comand
Skink SKirmishers: 70
-10 skink skirmishers
Terradon Riders: 130
-4 Terradon Ridders
-1 is the Brave
Stegadon: 235
-Its a stegadon ... hehe

did you base this off of the new or old book? (just wondering cause i saw the "gen 4" in there) It looks sturdy though, even by the new books standards no doubt. But you don't need the stegadon helm. Also just take the blowpipes, in the new book it's cheaper, maybe 5 or ten more temple guard to add some weight. And since the spawnings and generations are gone, you might have more points to spend if you're looking to build a 3k force.

WOOH! I'm off for the annual BigBayCon Fantasy tournament, which is my first fantasy tournie! YEY!

I'm pretty lazy and borrowed 3-4 units from a friend who also play O&G since I don't have time to paint (decided to join yesterday).

The list itself won't be a serious one, it's going to be overly expensive but yet fun, can't wait to see how people will handle the list to be honest, I call it "Chariot Frenzy", but I haven't maxed out my chariots... Gotta need some boar boyz as well.


I don't really plan to go far with the list, but knowing the majority of the entrants they're not going all-out on winning either, plus there's plenty inexperienced players there (might be a plus for me, I'm still going to do my best), I lack blocks and shooty stuff, but I got some hard hitting units with me, might even be able to charge with my boar boyz the first turn! The black Orc chariots are there just to utalize WAAAGH!, +D6 movement before deciding to charge is never wrong. ;D

Anyways, I'm not going in depth with the point costs per unit, but the total is 2244 points.

Orc Great Shaman, lv4, Staff of Badumm

Black Orc Big Boss, heavy armour, shield, Martog's axe of bashin', kickin' boots, chariot.

Black Orc Big Boss, Battle Standard, heavy armour, Ulag's akkrit axe, Nibbla's 'itty ring.

Goblin Shaman, lv2, chariot, dispel scroll, brimstone bauble.

20 Orc Big 'Uns, shields, full command, Mork's spirit totem.

25 Orc Boyz, shields, full command

24 Savage Orc Big 'Uns, additional choppa, full command

5 Savage Orc Big 'Un Boar Boyz, spear, shield, full command, WAAAGH! banner.

Goblin Wolf Chariot.

Goblin Wolf Chariot.

Orc Boar Chariot.

2 Snotling Pump Wagons.

Though my "small amount of units" can be discussed, any charge they make are aided by 2-3 chariots, unless it's savage orc boyz who throw out 19 Ws4 S5 attacks the first turn of combat and the boar boyz throwing out 11 Ws4 S5 and 10 Ws3 S5 attacks on the charge, they can pretty much handle stuff by themselves.

The lack of warmachines gives me a better opportunity when I get the spell WAAAGH! since the crew won't leave the machines, and this far it's been helping me with alot of unexpected charges. ;D


But as you say it's not a power gaming list, it lacks many things, but it's hard hitting to the max due to 3 out of 4 units being big 'uns.

All I need now is a unit of black orcs instead of the normal boyz... They didn't do anything during my battles. XD

I don't really get where you want to come with "balanced"... That's not the fun part about playing orcs and goblins... What do your oppnents play since you want "balanced"?

Anyways, this list is nowhere close to balanced if you ask me, it needs some changes.

First I actually don't see why the warboss isn't riding a boar nor why he isn't a black orc (1+ save with the shield) and the kickin' boots instead of the gnashas, that 1 extra attack is alot better than killing blow, ditching the magic weapon already gives you +1 Ws, maybe not I, but that's not needed to be honest, and armed to da teef is sweet.

Ditch the scroll on the orc shaman, you only need one scroll-caddy.
Try to get some spare points and make that ring into staff of badum instead, it's really sweet getting +1 to cast your spells! Especially when you get the destructive ones.

The boy units should be about 25 strong instead of 20, it does alot more to your army (and it makes it easier when you face other directions and extending your front, saves you up 1" movement since you will be 5x5 through the unit).

I wouldn't have that many (yes, 2 is many) units with fanatics either, if you face anyone with REALLY fast cavalry or a flying unit you're doomed to loose the fanatics, I'd use one unit as a flank guard, since most players throw fast and light units as their flankers the night goblins make superb flank-guards.

Try to get some spare-points for the wolf riders, they seriously need a musician and spears (you might wanna let them flank-charge a unit while another orc unit perhaps go up front), it's totally worth it, helps me anytime against most enemies.

2 units of hoppers is... cool but inneffective if you ask me, they're too random to use in such big numbers, make one unit into squig herds instead, better in all kind of ways (apart from movement), I've seen them take care of chaos warriors like no other O&G unit!

The orc bullies are pretty much a waste unless you feel that you got those points left, I never make it easy for my enemy to reach my machines anyways, and they're cheap so I can afford to loose them.

Stone trolls, I love them!



Those are some things I thought of, another one is another set of characters, a proppa orc army have a battle standard bearer, most people use this one:

Black orc, heavy armour, boar, battle standard bearer, mork's spirit totem

This combo and throw him into a nice big unit which can protect him and he'll give you up to 3 extra dispel dice! My most common 2250 armies always have 8 power and 8 dispel dice thanks to this, and re-rolling break tests is always welcome.

I just played a 2100 point game: my Dwarves against Dark Elves and Massacred them by turn 4 with this list:

Lord: Thorek Ironbrow and the Anvil of Doom

Heroes: Runesmith with Great Weapon and Shield. Rune of Spellbreaking

Core: 10 Handgunners, 10 Handgunners, 21 Warrors with shields and full command

Special: Grudge Thrower-Rune of Accuracy, Rune of Burning, Rune of Penetrating
Grundge Thrower-Rune of Accuracy, Rune of Burning, Rune of Reloading
15 slayers with 5 giant slayer upgrades

Rare: 2 Flame Cannons

I think this list will also do well against my friends Vampire Counts army. Must schedule battle soon.

520-Slann Mage Priest
-1 lore, +1 dice to cast, Ethereal, Magic Resistance 3
-Plaque of Protection (2+ ward), Cube of Darkness (dispel scroll with 50% chance of ending enemy magic phase), and a Dispel Scroll

150-Skink Priest
-Lvl 2
-Dispel Scroll, Diadem of Power (store up to 2 dice from casters dice to dispel pool)

141-Skink Chief
-Light Armor & Spear
-Staff of the Lost Sun ( S:5 x3 Short Bow), Enchanted shield (+2 to save)
-Terradon (Flying Mount)

160-Scar-Vetran
-Light Armor
-Burning Blade of Chotek (-2 to armor save and flaming magical attack), Shield of the Mirrored Pool (2+ redirect magic missiles to caster)
-Cold One

500-Saurus Warriors
-2 units of 20 warriors with full command

220-Skink Skirmishers
-2 unis w/ bowpipes
-1 units w/ shield and javelin

90-Terradons
-3 Terradons

470-Stegadon(s)
-2 Stegadons
this is the list i am currently 2/2/0 with 4laugh