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 Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 6:49 am
and another reason that i dont believe that jimmy page worships satan is because he has a very christain attitude. for example, his dad lived in an orphanage, and jimmy gave the orphanage so much money that it can go on forever.
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 1:10 am
tolkien Harvested Sorrow tolkien Harvested Sorrow childishwishes Has anyone else heard Stairway to Heaven, played backwards? I'm sure everyone here knows this..but as I am prone to rambling I'll explain it anyway. Stairway to Heaven is about the devil leading people to the forest and taking them down to Hell. There's an old myth, I'm not quite sure of what origin, but it's about the devil playing a song and calling out to souls. The people then follow him to the forest and down to hell, while his assistant, waits in Heaven, with the doors closed. If you listen, the words can be interpreted to mean just that. The piper is the devil: "And it's whispered that soon, if we all call the tune Then the piper will lead us to reason And a new day will dawn for those who stand long" And the lady who is buying the stairway, is buying it, as in blocking it off and closing Heaven's gates. "Your head is humming and it won't go because you don't know The piper's calling you to join him" Again the devil calling to the souls. When you play it backwards, specifically at the "if there's a bustle in your hedgerow" part, then you'll hear santanic messages. They say vaguely "here's to my sweet satan, the one who I love who is satan, that made us suffer poor satan, satan 666" You can search for a clip of that on Google and hear it. It's quite creepy. Anyway, I hope that wasn't too boring for anyone, and was informative to others that didn't know. I saw a report about this on a site...unfortunately, I don't have the link, as it's very in depth. It relates that to Crowley's house and makes several references to it...it also mentions that it is believed that the song is meant to have a double meaning (One path to heaven, one to hell). Also, in a live version of the song that was played backwards there were messages spoken that were about wishing to be saved by Jesus, the exact opposite of the studio recording. Due to this, it's highly unlikely that the song was actually Satanic. i agree! which live recording, is it the one from song remains the same? I don't recall, I don't believe the site named the recording, or at least I don't remember. And for the record, Led Zeppelin or Jimmy Page at least had a HEAVY interest in the occult in the '70s. He actually went so far as to buy Aleister Crowley's former mansion. The thing with Aleister Crowley's house was that it was just a beautiful house. Jimmy Page actually found it amusing that people think and thought that he worshiped satan. It's pretty well known that he bought it because it was Aleister Crowley's former mansion, and he had an interest in the occult at that time, so it suited his purposes. You're making this into a much bigger deal than it is. It's a fairly common thing for them to have a passing interest in the occult, Geezer Butler did, too, for example. Is he a Satanist or a Devil Worshipper now? I highly doubt it. However, did he have an interest in that sort of the thing in the past, even if it was for a very short time? By all means, yes.
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 1:15 am
tolkien and another reason that i dont believe that jimmy page worships satan is because he has a very christain attitude. for example, his dad lived in an orphanage, and jimmy gave the orphanage so much money that it can go on forever. Uhh....donating money to an orphanage isn't ncessarily a "Christian" thing. It can be many things....simply being nice, putting on a display for the public, and doing something you feel is necessary among others. Besides that....this is current day Jimmy Page. Jimmy Page did NOT have a Christian attitude back in the '70s, when is when his interest in the occult was. You can argue with that if you want, but stealing from other artists and taking a shitload of drugs doesn't exactly fit in with the Christian lifestyle....
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 1:18 am
tolkien Harvested Sorrow For those interested.... www.inthelight.co.nz/ledzep/zososymbol.htm It details the origin of Zoso. and www.reversespeech.com/music_reversals.htm details Stairway To Heaven's backwards speech, at the bottom of the page, with this: Stairway to Heaven If there was a top 40 of backmasked songs, then "Stairway to Heaven" by Led Zeppelin would be at the top. This song contains many backward messages. Here is one of them that occurs right at the very end of the song.. It says: "Play backwards. Hear words sung." However, by far the most controversial backward messages on the song can be found in the following soundtrack. They say backwards: "Its my sweet Satan. The one whose little path would make me sad whose power is fake (indeterminate gibberish - some people claim this says, He gives you 666) There was a little toolshed where he made us suffer, sad Satan." A complete analysis of the reversals in this song and their meanings can be found in this extract: Stairway to Where? from the book, "Reverse Speech: Voices From The Unconscious." This book contains an extensive and historical analysis of many other reversals and backward messages in music. To purchase a copy of this book go to the Products Section of this website. It also provides a link to the article I mentioned that goes pretty far in-depth about the possible meanings behind the words in Stairway To Heaven...for you lazy ********, that link is: www.reversespeech.com/framestairway.htm who are you calling "lazy ********"? But i did read that site and I have gathered that Led Zeppelin weren't of the a satanic group, but as they said it may have been a song of hope to the people who (as legends say) suffered on the Aleister Crowley grounds. Robert Plant states "I think that this is a song of hope" in the movie the song remains the same, right before doing stairway to heaven. Lazy ******** are the ones who have interest in this, but are too lazy to go to the site and read it themselves and find the link due to that. It was meant light heartedly, and not directed at anyone in paticular....but hey, if the shoe fits.... I like the idea that it was about double meanings that was put foward the best, myself....heaven and hell, and that type of thing.
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 3:18 pm
Harvested Sorrow tolkien and another reason that i dont believe that jimmy page worships satan is because he has a very christain attitude. for example, his dad lived in an orphanage, and jimmy gave the orphanage so much money that it can go on forever. Uhh....donating money to an orphanage isn't ncessarily a "Christian" thing. It can be many things....simply being nice, putting on a display for the public, and doing something you feel is necessary among others. Besides that....this is current day Jimmy Page. Jimmy Page did NOT have a Christian attitude back in the '70s, when is when his interest in the occult was. You can argue with that if you want, but stealing from other artists and taking a shitload of drugs doesn't exactly fit in with the Christian lifestyle.... yea thats true, led zeppelin were to not have died from an overdose.
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 3:21 pm
Harvested Sorrow tolkien Harvested Sorrow tolkien Harvested Sorrow childishwishes Has anyone else heard Stairway to Heaven, played backwards? I'm sure everyone here knows this..but as I am prone to rambling I'll explain it anyway. Stairway to Heaven is about the devil leading people to the forest and taking them down to Hell. There's an old myth, I'm not quite sure of what origin, but it's about the devil playing a song and calling out to souls. The people then follow him to the forest and down to hell, while his assistant, waits in Heaven, with the doors closed. If you listen, the words can be interpreted to mean just that. The piper is the devil: "And it's whispered that soon, if we all call the tune Then the piper will lead us to reason And a new day will dawn for those who stand long" And the lady who is buying the stairway, is buying it, as in blocking it off and closing Heaven's gates. "Your head is humming and it won't go because you don't know The piper's calling you to join him" Again the devil calling to the souls. When you play it backwards, specifically at the "if there's a bustle in your hedgerow" part, then you'll hear santanic messages. They say vaguely "here's to my sweet satan, the one who I love who is satan, that made us suffer poor satan, satan 666" You can search for a clip of that on Google and hear it. It's quite creepy. Anyway, I hope that wasn't too boring for anyone, and was informative to others that didn't know. I saw a report about this on a site...unfortunately, I don't have the link, as it's very in depth. It relates that to Crowley's house and makes several references to it...it also mentions that it is believed that the song is meant to have a double meaning (One path to heaven, one to hell). Also, in a live version of the song that was played backwards there were messages spoken that were about wishing to be saved by Jesus, the exact opposite of the studio recording. Due to this, it's highly unlikely that the song was actually Satanic. i agree! which live recording, is it the one from song remains the same? I don't recall, I don't believe the site named the recording, or at least I don't remember. And for the record, Led Zeppelin or Jimmy Page at least had a HEAVY interest in the occult in the '70s. He actually went so far as to buy Aleister Crowley's former mansion. The thing with Aleister Crowley's house was that it was just a beautiful house. Jimmy Page actually found it amusing that people think and thought that he worshiped satan. It's pretty well known that he bought it because it was Aleister Crowley's former mansion, and he had an interest in the occult at that time, so it suited his purposes. You're making this into a much bigger deal than it is. It's a fairly common thing for them to have a passing interest in the occult, Geezer Butler did, too, for example. Is he a Satanist or a Devil Worshipper now? I highly doubt it. However, did he have an interest in that sort of the thing in the past, even if it was for a very short time? By all means, yes. he was veryinterested in the occult, but that doesnt exactly mean that he worshiped satan.
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:30 am
True, however, this is the main aim behind it, he had an interest in the occult. We don't know what it lead him to do, however, is it possible that he was a Devil Worshipper? Yes. I doubt that we'll ever know the full truth behind it, though.
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:36 pm
i think they just like myths too...
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 4:36 am
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 11:29 am
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:27 pm
ya, who? smile
hey guys...i wanna share something...it makes me soooo sad... crying
ok..so, i'm quite an active Catholic and i've been posting in a message board for a Catholic Community, (Song Title Game thing...) and they tell me that listening to songs like STH and Hotel California is very wrong....(considering the terms of back masking)
i don't agree with them....i told them that one's intentions put meaning into the songs we listen...so, it's a personal thing if i consider STH an atheist song or not...(other songs too)
then they tell me, that anything we do must only be for His glorification...
i rested my case....but what i think is that i have my own personal way of living out my faith as a Catholic...
sorry for the waste of time....i just can't keep this thing all bottled up...
feel free to say anything to me....
sad
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:18 am
Well, that's the way the Catholic religion works. It's always been strict like that, so they expect you to obey their rules. Of course, there are fanatics and not so fanatic, but...for being Catholic your own way, well, that's essentially the reason the Protestant churches came about. sweatdrop Not trying to convert you though, as I'm not a member of any said church. Just saying...if you're a Catholic there really isn't a "your own way", unfortunately.
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 1:08 am
*sigh*
know what?....for me, faith is just an inspiration...
wait, what am i saying?! im in the Classic Rock Guild, am i not? blaugh
Thanx Harvested Sorrow! smile
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:26 am
If faith is just an inspiration, then I'd suggest that you remove the excess baggage and don't call yourself Catholic. Simply someone who believes in God. 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:57 am
I'm a Zep Fan.
Favorite at the time right now would have to be:
Babe i'm Gonna Leave you
oh, By the way... Wasn't Jimmy Paige into some Black Magic back in England?
eek
~|m/
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