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 Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:06 pm
My Conscience ReiDuck ColdIce ReiDuck because it's a horribly traumatic experience for the most part, even worse than most rape since it was a family member who did the crime. I'd like to point out that incest is not necesarily rape. As it could be consentual, it may not be traumatic. Could we not screen out the traumatic cases with the whole "rape" exception? Toga! Toga! Also Rei, I'm pretty sure Coco was talking about consentual incest there. If there was no consent involved that would fall under rape. Incest gets more punishment than rape because it tends to be uglier. Assuming that incest was also rape, unless stated otherwise, will still be true for the vast majority of incest. If you're trying to get your demographical information from Gaia, which is riddled with teens exporing their sexuality and being "open-minded" about absolutely anything, even bestiality, then you're way off from reality if you think that most incest is consensual. It's not. Like Toga! said, I was referring to above the age-of-consent incest. More along the lines of being directed towards the pro-lifer side, why not allow abortion in many instances but want to allow it during the case of age-of-consent incest? I would also like to request that statistic of incest majority being rape. Maybe I should post this question in the pro-life guild and see what kind of responce I get.
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:59 pm
Toga! Toga! ReiDuck Toga! Toga! ReiDuck Assuming that incest was also rape, unless stated otherwise, will still be true for the vast majority of incest. If you're trying to get your demographical information from Gaia, which is riddled with teens exporing their sexuality and being "open-minded" about absolutely anything, even bestiality, then you're way off from reality if you think that most incest is consensual. It's not. I'm just trying to avoid the assumption that all incest is consentual or not. I wasn't saying it's always one or the other. That's fair. I'm sorry if I came across harsh - I'm just getting really tired of kids who insist that stepdad ******** 8-year-old stepdaughter is just fine because they obviously have an understanding and loving relationship and you shouldn't judge people based on their age and you shouldn't let socially-defined relationship restrictions cloud your judgement. rolleyes I know how that is. Really, what I had in mind was two consenting adults who happened to be related. That's the kind of consentual incest relationship I hear most often. Whatever the hell two consenting adults want to do is fine with me regardless of race, gender, relationship, or other factors. Consenting adults are consenting adults.
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Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:23 am
ReiDuck Toga! Toga! ReiDuck Toga! Toga! ReiDuck Assuming that incest was also rape, unless stated otherwise, will still be true for the vast majority of incest. If you're trying to get your demographical information from Gaia, which is riddled with teens exporing their sexuality and being "open-minded" about absolutely anything, even bestiality, then you're way off from reality if you think that most incest is consensual. It's not. I'm just trying to avoid the assumption that all incest is consentual or not. I wasn't saying it's always one or the other. That's fair. I'm sorry if I came across harsh - I'm just getting really tired of kids who insist that stepdad ******** 8-year-old stepdaughter is just fine because they obviously have an understanding and loving relationship and you shouldn't judge people based on their age and you shouldn't let socially-defined relationship restrictions cloud your judgement. rolleyes I know how that is. Really, what I had in mind was two consenting adults who happened to be related. That's the kind of consentual incest relationship I hear most often. Whatever the hell two consenting adults want to do is fine with me regardless of race, gender, relationship, or other factors. Consenting adults are consenting adults. I know you agree with abortion on any case sweatdrop I'm leaving towards being a devils advocate at the pro-lifers. One of the reasons some pro-lifers use for allowing abortion is consentual adult incest. I want to know why they would allow it for consenting adult incest but not for consenting non-incent.
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:12 am
I brought up the abortions in cases of incest in the pro-life guild. I wonder how people will respond biggrin
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:02 am
My Conscience ReiDuck Toga! Toga! ReiDuck Toga! Toga! ReiDuck Assuming that incest was also rape, unless stated otherwise, will still be true for the vast majority of incest. If you're trying to get your demographical information from Gaia, which is riddled with teens exporing their sexuality and being "open-minded" about absolutely anything, even bestiality, then you're way off from reality if you think that most incest is consensual. It's not. I'm just trying to avoid the assumption that all incest is consentual or not. I wasn't saying it's always one or the other. That's fair. I'm sorry if I came across harsh - I'm just getting really tired of kids who insist that stepdad ******** 8-year-old stepdaughter is just fine because they obviously have an understanding and loving relationship and you shouldn't judge people based on their age and you shouldn't let socially-defined relationship restrictions cloud your judgement. rolleyes I know how that is. Really, what I had in mind was two consenting adults who happened to be related. That's the kind of consentual incest relationship I hear most often. Whatever the hell two consenting adults want to do is fine with me regardless of race, gender, relationship, or other factors. Consenting adults are consenting adults. I know you agree with abortion on any case sweatdrop I'm leaving towards being a devils advocate at the pro-lifers. One of the reasons some pro-lifers use for allowing abortion is consentual adult incest. I want to know why they would allow it for consenting adult incest but not for consenting non-incent. Mainly from what I have seen that it is because their is an increased risk for genetic defect.(which is quite low)
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:19 am
Master_SL My Conscience ReiDuck Toga! Toga! ReiDuck That's fair. I'm sorry if I came across harsh - I'm just getting really tired of kids who insist that stepdad ******** 8-year-old stepdaughter is just fine because they obviously have an understanding and loving relationship and you shouldn't judge people based on their age and you shouldn't let socially-defined relationship restrictions cloud your judgement. rolleyes I know how that is. Really, what I had in mind was two consenting adults who happened to be related. That's the kind of consentual incest relationship I hear most often. Whatever the hell two consenting adults want to do is fine with me regardless of race, gender, relationship, or other factors. Consenting adults are consenting adults. I know you agree with abortion on any case sweatdrop I'm leaving towards being a devils advocate at the pro-lifers. One of the reasons some pro-lifers use for allowing abortion is consentual adult incest. I want to know why they would allow it for consenting adult incest but not for consenting non-incent. Mainly from what I have seen that it is because their is an increased risk for genetic defect.(which is quite low) I haven't seen one pro-lifer in the pro-life guild that agrees with the incest argument. This is a good thing xd Maybe it is just the ignorant crowd that thinks of nonconsensual incest rather than its true meaning.
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:09 pm
My Conscience Master_SL My Conscience ReiDuck Toga! Toga! ReiDuck That's fair. I'm sorry if I came across harsh - I'm just getting really tired of kids who insist that stepdad ******** 8-year-old stepdaughter is just fine because they obviously have an understanding and loving relationship and you shouldn't judge people based on their age and you shouldn't let socially-defined relationship restrictions cloud your judgement. rolleyes I know how that is. Really, what I had in mind was two consenting adults who happened to be related. That's the kind of consentual incest relationship I hear most often. Whatever the hell two consenting adults want to do is fine with me regardless of race, gender, relationship, or other factors. Consenting adults are consenting adults. I know you agree with abortion on any case sweatdrop I'm leaving towards being a devils advocate at the pro-lifers. One of the reasons some pro-lifers use for allowing abortion is consentual adult incest. I want to know why they would allow it for consenting adult incest but not for consenting non-incent. Mainly from what I have seen that it is because their is an increased risk for genetic defect.(which is quite low) I haven't seen one pro-lifer in the pro-life guild that agrees with the incest argument. This is a good thing xd Maybe it is just the ignorant crowd that thinks of nonconsensual incest rather than its true meaning. Or they just assume that because they don't feel any attraction to their dad than nobody does. Because, you know, everyone has to be the same. And I have been searching for stats on the odds of deformities in different instances of inbreeding. I haven't found a thing. If anyone has any numbers, please let me know. I'm curious. I really don't think the deformities argument works anyway, considering nobody's campaigning to prevent 30+ women from having sex just in case they get pregnant and decide to keep it. There isn't much of a social stigma against her for having sex either.
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:25 pm
Toga! Toga! And I have been searching for stats on the odds of deformities in different instances of inbreeding. I haven't found a thing. If anyone has any numbers, please let me know. I'm curious. I don't have the numbers, but I can confirm that there is a noticeable increase in likelihood of genetic defects in sibling incest and quite a high one in parent/child incest, but there is little or no noticeable increase in cousin incest.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:45 pm
'kay..
I support abortion only if there is a complication with the birth that'd put the mother in danger; baby in danger, the cases of rape and/or cases of incest.
And not in the case of "OmGIgotZ bangEd up cuZ I scRew A BunCh Of GAiZLolOLolZ" or "Gawsh, I really don't need a baby right now :/ " (and with this, I don't mean the fact that the mother has no financial, health-wise, etc. support for the child and I do mean if she just decides at her leisure that she doesn't need a baby/another child).
If the abortion thing is banned, then where are all of the unwanted children going to go to? That's right...ADOPTION CENTERS. And THEN who's going to take the kids? No, don't be like my teacher and say "Well, I bunch of people are lining up to get little bundles of joy"
My mom used to be a social worker and she knew some kids who were 15 and still were in foster care. Yes, they were given to the centers when they were little anklebiters and they grew up in the centers.
And foster care isn't fun when there's perverts out there :/
So there's the overpopulation part of it :'D
That and there might be a increase in birth defected children 'cause of genetic disorders.
Bleh...I need a rant. I'm sick as Hell. Bleh x.o
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:51 pm
Zee Green Tell Sun 'kay.. I support abortion only if there is a complication with the birth that'd put the mother in danger; Every pregnancy carries this risk which can develop at any time without warning. ditto. This si difficult to enforce and shows that fetal life is not as important as punishing the mother for consenting to sex. Also hard to enforce, and are you saying that I can abort as many times as I want as long as I nchoose my brother as my partner? Quote: And not in the case of "OmGIgotZ bangEd up cuZ I scRew A BunCh Of GAiZLolOLolZ" or "Gawsh, I really don't need a baby right now :/ " (and with this, I don't mean the fact that the mother has no financial, health-wise, etc. support for the child and I do mean if she just decides at her leisure that she doesn't need a baby/another child). Why? Don't they have bodily integrity like everyone else(even convicted felons)? Quote: If the abortion thing is banned, then where are all of the unwanted children going to go to? That's right...ADOPTION CENTERS. Or dpeending on the situation, dumpsters or unstable environments at home. Either way, why is having even more children in tehre a good thing? There are too many unwanted children than we can afford already. Quote: And THEN who's going to take the kids? No, don't be like my teacher and say "Well, I bunch of people are lining up to get little bundles of joy" My mom used to be a social worker and she knew some kids who were 15 and still were in foster care. Yes, they were given to the centers when they were little anklebiters and they grew up in the centers. And foster care isn't fun when there's perverts out there :/ Phew. Thank you. Quote: So there's the overpopulation part of it :'D That and there might be a increase in birth defected children 'cause of genetic disorders. Bleh...I need a rant. I'm sick as Hell. Bleh x.o Yikes, I hope you get better. But one thing: Which side are you taking? You start by saying that only certain people should be allowed to have abortions, then go into the bad things of what would happen if abortion is banned to some women.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:05 pm
We have ourselves an incest reasoner! Now we can debate him.
The handicapped have the right to life as well. Should we have abortions for all those who will be born with physical and mental disabilities? If you are pro-life and you agree with abortion in the case of incest, because the child will be born handicapped, then you have to support all instances which the mother will give birth to a handicapped child. Incest within the abortion debate only refers to consensual adult incest. If it is unconsensual, it is rape.
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