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I've yet to finish Angel, so I haven't seen any of those episodes yet. I've heard a lot about it though, and yeah. Still gay. Even if they weren't his slayers, all of the other hints totally outweigh that little thing.

Um, have you not noticed all of the extremely obvious hints of his sexuality throughout Season 6 and Season 7? It's not the fact that he's a dork or speaks in a certain way that makes him seem gay, it's the fact that he's obviously attracted to MEN that makes him seem gay.

If you were to read through the topic, you would see lots of evidence that points to his homosexuality.

If you were to read BakaTulip's post, you'd realize that those two girls were probably just his slayers, which makes a lot of sense if you think about. Even if they really were his dates, I still wouldn't be too convinced.

I know that everyone's entitled to share their own opinions, and I respect that. It's just that there's too much evidence to say otherwise, and I feel the need to debate. That short scene in Angel isn't going to negate everything else we've seen in Buffy, Season 8 included.

Besides... I doubt COMPLETELY straight males have crushes on their partners in crime, ignore lesbian couples making out on sofas, or admire men's "Viggo Mortenson pectorals". Well, maybe that last one, but I stick to my argument XD

I would have to agree with RazorGod, even if thoes two girls were his slayers, he choose to go out with them, showing that he does have an interest in girls, I think he's slowly maturing, some people are less mature than others and it takes longer for them to mature.

My entire argument is based on Andrews lack of maturity and his childlike nature. (Of which there is AMPLE evidence of.)Andrew's character is basically at a stage where he isn't interested in girls yet, but rather his prime concern is filling the friendship void. Very few guys will admit this, but all boys have a stage where it's all about "cartoons, toys, comics, and your best buds" (the formula could be different from guy to guy, maybe it was "bicycles, video games, hanging at the mall and your buds" for some guys. But not every guy alive has a dominate sexual ulterior motive. And some guys aren't interested in sex at all...doesn't make them gay.



Sexual maturity, like any other maturity, is something that you come into, your environment can hamper that development- like any other form development. Lonlieness doesn't castrate people, but an overbearing set of parents can definately set mental maturity back a few notches. I knew a few kids in High School whose parent's didn't let them do hardly anything that nomral high schoolers were doing, and as a result they acted like ten year olds (everything was about Transformers and Gobots and girls weren't even mentioned. And I know this first hand, because it was my clique.) ...because mentally they hadn't developed past that point and it left them standing apart from the social scene left to band together in their own little cliques.



Direct those same questions at your own argument. Personally, I think people are too quick to take someone and try to paint a stereotype onto them by the way they talk, dress or act. Especially when all you have is stereotypical behaviour as evidence.




Sexuality is NOT synonimous with puberty. I was the first in my class to noticeably hit puberty, and it was years later before I contemplated my sexuality. Or even cared one way about the opposite sex.



Everyone's behaviour is somehow reflective of the environment you were brought up in, it's basic psychology. He may physically be an adult, but mentally he is not....

Sexuality isn't defined by age or puberty.



It doesn't mean they aren't.



Assuming that he isn't straight in the first place, you mean.



Such as?



Which doesn't automatically translate to being homosexual. I've tried to explain that boys of Andrew's maturity level aren't neccesarily motivated by sexuality. But rather if Andrew was more concerned with being accepted as "one of the guys" or gain some form of acceptance with them, then he would not only pay more attention to the guys, but try and impress them or garner their acceptance in anyway he could.



Crush? I haven't seen anything, in regards to Warren, that says that Andrew has a crush on Warren. Yeah, he's always talking to Jonathon about Warren, but that's a matter of trying to be superior to Jonathon in the geek heirarchy. A way for Andrew to feel more important to the leader of his group, when Jonathon tells Andrew that Warren doesn't care about either of them.

Try and also keep in mind, that I'm not speaking out of phase. I'm a male and I know a little soemthing about male mental development- especially having been very much like Andrew until I left home.

Fair enough, honestly I never even considered that Andrew might be gay before I joined this guild....



I'm not convinced, but like you said, I'll agree to disagree with you on this one.



People always hastily correct themselves when they catch how something that they are about to say is gonna come out in the Buffyverse.

If we wanna pick apart scenes, I could just as easily bring up the second to the last episode, End of Days, Andrew and Anya go raid the local hospital in order to get supplies to patch up the potentials who Caleb blew up. Upon notcing Oxygen tanks, Anyay mentions that they aren't of any use, unless for soemthing really big, and then they could shove 'em
down it's throat like in Jaws. Andrew just stares and Anya, mouth on the floor and says to her "You are the perfect woman...." and then starts trying to get to know her.

The reason why I can't see Andrew as a sexually mature person, is that he pretty much stands in awe of anyone who gives him the time of day. I just don't think we see enough of Andrew to know for sure. There are a lot of "What If's" that fit his character. (As I think we are both proving right now...)

I wonder if Joss has ever answered the question definitively........might be worth trying to remember if I ever see Joss at a con again....



Of course, it's also likely- given Andrew's character- that he is just being over dramatic. I'm sure Warren was using Andrew, and I'm sure Warren played their friendship up to the fullest...especially with Warren's control issues and Andrew's naivity.

I guess it could go either way, but there is still the fact that Andrew doesn't actually show any real signs of sexual maturity....or any maturity for that matter.

Maybe if I were gay, I might understand better, but....wait, this can't take me anywhre I wanna go. wink (I just made a joke at my expense, you better have giggled at least.)

Okay guys, Andrew is gay. It's quite blatant:

JONATHAN: Guys, I'm ready. I need you to hold hands.

ANDREW: With each other?

WARREN: Well, you know what homophobia really means about you, don't you?

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WARREN: Is that --

JONATHAN: Spike.

ANDREW: He is *so* cool... (catching himself) And, I mean, the girl is hot too.

Speaking as someone who is a lesbian, before I was out, I used to randomly say guys (usually unattractive guys) were hot to throw my friends off the possibility of thinking I wasn't straight.

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ANDREW: How could he do this to me? He promised we'd be together. He was just using me. He never really loved -- (catching himself) -- hanging out with us.

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ANDREW: (emotional) It's you. It's really you! My therapist thought I was holding onto false hope, but... I knew you'd come back. You're like... you're like Gandalf the White, resurrected from the pit of the Balrog, more beautiful than ever.

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ANDREW: Spike! O mio dio!

(he hugs Spike tightly)

ANDREW: E come un sogno incantevole. What are you doing here?

This translates as: Oh my god, it's like a sweet dream.
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Also, simply because he went out with the girls, doesn't mean he was dating them. I went out with a male friend of mine once, and I'm gay. Doesn't mean I was attracted to him, also many gay men hang out with women.

Characters only catch themselves in the Buffyverse when they have a secret to hide.
"Patrolling... erm... petroleum" Buffy's hiding that she's the slayer.

"Love... hanging out with us," he's covering that he's gay.

Plus if you see him in the comics there is a scene where is SURROUNDED by girls in their underwear and states that he's bored out of his mind.