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 Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:41 pm
I feel sorry for the asexual animals out there. If homosexuality's a plight amongst mankind does that include asexual reproduction? If so that means cells/therefore our own bodies are a damnation as well and we should dispose of them if we are to reach Zion. Why would we want to destroy something "god"(I put "god" in quotations b/c there are various names for the same entity.) created b/c "god" said reproduction can only occur with a male and female? Then we have people that their only argument involves two guys and their... crap for a lack of better term. If someone's so appalled by two guys having sex why are they peeking into their houses to see what they're doing? I bet these are the same people that are into Cleavland Steamers, but are too afraid to admit it b/c they'd be contradicting themselves. Humans these days. stare
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:32 pm
Here's one where my argument is the strongest.
- The Bible says so [Not only in Leviticus].
The Bible and almost the whole Catholic institution can be proved to hypocritical, hence in my opinion it has lost most of its credibility as an excuse or as evidence in an argument. The Bible also says "Thou shalt not kill"
Suuuure. That's definitely why millions of innocent lives have been taken "in the name of the Holy Catholic Faith" in the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition, to name a few.
Also- Why are some preists speaking out against homosexuality and then having such feelings for little boys? CONTRADICTION. And don't tell me it's not really happening. there's a different church sex scandal in my newspaper every week.
As you can see, the Bible and teachings of Catholic and Christians have loopholes and contradictions all over, you just have to find them. My closing statement: If Christians and Catholics think it's wrong to judge others on differencess, then why are many judging homosexuals and other people every day?
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:12 am
"No, but it sex is meant for the soul purpose of survival of the human species, or procreation. Homosexual feelings are caused by a hormonal imbalance, a defect. It's not natural or normal, for that matter."
dont you think there are enough humans on this planet as it is? any more and earth will have a heart-attack.
besides isnt the bible all about loving and accepting everyone?and if to people of the same gender truly love each other than whos to say they cant be together?
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:58 pm
This is an awesome thread btw..
- Being gay's not natural.
-then why we have animals that have homosexuals relationships?? they are the closest thing to being natural that we can get, and even they have homo relationships.
- The Bible says so [Not only in Leviticus].
-The bible says a lot of things, and most of the stuff in there have many interpretations.
- It's just gross.
This is just not qualified as a valid point of view. I think it' feels great, that's my word against yours.
- It's a choice.
-Seriously? why would I pick such a hated lifestyle, where I'll be judge, kicked around and who knows what more? would you choose to be born as a slave?
also when did you choose to be straight again?
those are my answers :'D
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:47 pm
Being gay isn't natural? How would you like it if someone walked up to you and said, "Your teeth aren't natural. You can't marry." For those of you that didn't get that, I'm just trying to say that you shouldn't be banned from marriage for something that you can't control.
The Bible says so? Like Sin Error said, the Bible says a lot of stuff, and it has many interpretations. Like the Constitution.
It's just gross? Loving someone is gross?
It's a choice? Who would choose to get beat up, teased, banned from things, and have rules and laws set up against them?
Btw, I'm straight, but I'm a huge LGBT supporter. I hate Prop 8 and all that other stuff about "gays are wrong and they will go to h-e-double upright toothpicks. My friend's mom is like that, and it really ticks me off. Of course, my friend feels the same way I do, and so do my other friends. I won't befriend people who support Prop 8 and non-gay laws or rules. Simple as that.
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:15 am
Being gay's not natural. Actually, many species of animals have been found to have the 'gay gene'. Male bats have the highest percentage of homosexuals of any mammal.
Another thing is. . .do you drive a car? Do you wear glasses? Do you live in a HOUSE? If you answered yes to any of these; you are doing something that ISN'T NATURAL!
The Bible says so [Not only in Leviticus: NOT EVERY ONE IS A CHRISTIAN!! So, this really doesn't apply to everyone. I'm agnostic, so this wouldn't apply to me. An other thing is, the bible says many things we shouldn't do. Like: shaving, wearing makeup, eating meat on Friday. And how many Christians do I know who do at least one of those? Almost everyone of them!
It's just gross: So, what? A man and woman isn't gross, but a couple of the same sex is? Isn't it the same? It's not like a gay couple are aliens. They love, too.
It's a choice: It's been proven sense 1991 that it is in fact not a choice. Another argument about that is, "Ten percent of the world populous jut decided to be that way?" That seems a little unlikely . And that is what I have to say on that matter.
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:16 pm
- Being gay's not natural. homosexuality is something that is present in every race of human beings and many species of animals have been documented as being homosexual
- The Bible says so [Not only in Leviticus]. Leviticus says the word abomination. In the biblical context of the time an abomination simply meant unclean. The verses is the Bible that are used to promote opposition to homosexuality aren't referring to homosexuality. They refer to lust and ritualistic sex acts preformed by pagans during the time. There are no true references to real homosexuality in the Bible unless you think that Jonathan and King David count.
- It's just gross. it isn't any grosser than heterosexual sex acts and many heterosexuals engage in a**l sex
- It's a choice. i didn't choose to be gay. Before i reached puberty i wanted to get married to a women and raise a family and then i reached puberty and that just wasn't what i was meant to do because guys were the ones i want to be with.
I mean come on no one chooses to be homosexual. Who would want other people to mistreat them and cause them suffering?
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 11:32 pm
"No, but it sex is meant for the soul purpose of survival of the human species, or procreation. Homosexual feelings are caused by a hormonal imbalance, a defect. It's not natural or normal, for that matter."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo#Sexual_social_behavior
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:59 am
Quote: - Being gay's not natural. Not natural? ANIMALS have been found to have homosexual activity, just last year I saw to male lions going at it at the zoo. Even if it wasnt natural. Neither is your house, your computer, clothes, food, TV, car, radio bike. Should all these things be banned as well? Quote: - The Bible says so [Not only in Leviticus]. The bible also says i can sell my daughter to slavery (Exodus 21:7) whats the average price these days? My friend is working on the sabbath, Exodus 35:2 says he should be put to death. What do you think is the best way to do that? I have an uncle who plants different crops on the same field. Do I have to gather the WHOLE town to stone him to death? Yo mamas gross If being gay was a choice, so is being straight. Does that mean society protects only people who choose a certain way of life? Does that mean we can remove the rights of jewish people because they "chose" to be jewish? It is when people start controlling the personal choices others make that society turns into a dictatorship.
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:29 am
Being gay's not natural.
Um..... hardly anything is natural anymore. And yes it is. Homosexuality is no longer listed as a Psychological disorder. It is natural. It is in their biology.
- The Bible says so [Not only in Leviticus].
It was also evil to eat a pig, mix fibers (polyester), do anything on Saturday, it had so many ridiculous rules that are now outdated. I think that the only reason that the passage was there was so we would keep populating the world (hello battling overpopulation now) How do you know that that particular passage came from 'God'? it could have just been a bigot with a pen. Just like when one of the later disciples (not one of the 12) name was changed by a scribe from a woman's name to a male name.
- It's just gross.
wow that is your argument...... all sex can be gross...... there are lots of things that are gross...........
- It's a choice.
no, not really. like I said earlier, Homosexuality is no longer listed as a disorder which means that it is natural.
I just posted in the forums something along the lines as this.
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 8:55 pm
Being gay is not natural- Bull crap. A total of 1500 different animal species display homosexual behavior. There are these two cats at my animal shelter that go at it almost every time I'm there. There's this big grey one, and this smaller tabby. The first time I saw them I was all, "OMG, ANIMAL RAPE." And I broke it up and took the tabby out of the cage... he didn't seem traumatized or bothered by it, though. He might even like it, it seems to be a regular occurrence, and he still likes his cage mate enough to let him clean him, they lick each other. These are not the first gay cats I've seen, I saw a couple at the other shelter I worked at.
All whiptail lizards are lesbians. There are no males in that species, they reproduce asexually. Mammals with homosexual activity include dolphins (who also have recreational sex), cattle, bears, chimpanzees, dogs, horses, orcas, raccoon, lions, marmousettes, bats, and giraffes. Numerous insect, fish, and reptiles can also be gay.
It says so in the Bible- Yeah, in the Old Testement. It also says God made the world in 7 days, which is also bull. Oh, and I guess we can no longer eat pork. And not everyone is a Christian, dolt. The Bible only said those things so humans would become populous and prosperous. Now that there is a lot of us and more than the Earth can handle, we should just chill out now, use birth control, and have all the gay sexy times we want. Oh, and pigs are now totally safe to eat even though it would make you sick back in the day due to lack of sanitation and parasites in their meat. We're supposed to have a separation between Church and State as well, so why can't gay people get married because of a religious law? Marriage is a State thing.
It's gross- .... Not really. It's just two people who love each other. If you believe in gender equality, their love is no different from a heterosexual couple's.
It's a choice- No, it's not. Would you choose to be discriminated against? It's just caused by differences in the brain which cannot be corrected. All of the gay and bisexual people I know did not choose to be that way. It's no different than being born the race you are.
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 4:42 am
- Being gay's not natural. A lot of things aren't technically unnatural, but that doesn't make it bad or wrong, in fact many of those things people take for grated and don't think about it and it often makes life easier, enjoyable or more comfortable even though it is man made. Also, homosexuality and bisexuality is more common in animals that you think. People just choose not to accept it and many often deny how they feel which often leads to unhappiness, unlike other animals who seem to have no problem with their sexuality. Birth control and condoms aren't natural either but people chose to allow and encourage their use to prevent unwanted pregnancies and diseases. Hardly anyone only have sex to just procreate nowadays. Even other species just have sex because they enjoy it and feels good to them.
- The Bible says so [Not only in Leviticus]. I don't read the bible, a lot of people don't read or follow the bible or are part of a religion. That is a personal belief that shouldn't be forced on others and the bible was written in different languages by man and has many different translations and interpretations. Also, the bible says a lot of things that people seem to no longer follow, such as not eating shrimp or oysters as they are scavengers, no tattoos or pierces as the bodies are said to be your temple, etc....but it seems to be acceptable now.
- It's just gross.That is your opinion and everyone as their own but it isn't right to deny another person's happiness because of it when it isn't hurting or affecting you. Chances are not everyone is going to like the person you are in love with but nobody is denying your right to marry them and have it recognized legally. Everyone should be able to have that right, whether you agree with it or not. Sex in general can be gross and messy at times.
- It's a choice.You can't choose how you feel and people should have the right to ask someone out even if they are the same gender and not be ashamed? To all the straight men and women, you can't help but be attracted to the opposite sex right? When did you chose to be straight and did people say it was a choice when you asked the person you like out on a date, etc...? Chances are never. Nobody asks to feel the way they do and nobody chooses to be hated and picked on for it or having to keep their feelings a secret instead of embracing it.
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:53 am
Lets hit these one at a time shall we?
- Being gay's not natural. Two things about this point. First, homosexual behavior has been documented in many mammalian species. In fact dolphins, the only species on the planet other than humans known to have sex for pleasure, are pretty famous for intercourse between two males. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, homosexuality is not new. It been around since - at the very least - the time of the Ancient Egyptians meaning that such behavior is concurrent with and may even predate the dawn of civilization. Considering that homosexuality has been around for a little longer than marriage, I'd say it seems pretty natural to me.
- The Bible says so [Not only in Leviticus]. I have read the bible, so, yes I will concede this point. I'd also like to point out that the bible says not to judge. That passing judgement is only god's right. And that we're suppose to "love thy neighbour as you love thyself." But if you can ignore the scriptures you don't like, I can too.
- It's just gross. If you're talking about sex, then that's just your opinion. I personally find heterosexual sex kind of gross. I generally try not to think about it. I suggest you do the same. If you mean that two people in a happy stable committed relationship who just happen to be of the same gender is gross... Then, you're weird. Perhaps your [insert same gender parent here] didn't love you enough. You may need to seek counseling.
- It's a choice. I don't think it is. I didn't choose to be gay any more than you chose to be straight. There is evidence to suggest that homosexual behavior is influenced by genetic though.and if it were a choice, I imagine it would have died out a long time ago. Nobody wants to spend all day defending their personality traits.
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 4:51 pm
- Being gay's not natural.
Alright, let's have some fun with this. I've read quite a few posts in this topic and they have some very good points. Cheers. I think "natural" is a term that is highly inconsistent. A lot of what humans can be considered "unnatural". However, it seems like we just say something's "natural" to give it an excuse for being or doing. In any case, I once heard that some animal populations use homosexuality as a means of of population control(actually, I think someone mentioned this already). Therefore, considered this point, and the way our human populations are now. Wouldn't it then be what they consider natural?
- The Bible says so [Not only in Leviticus].
Ah, the Bible. Wonderful piece of folklore. There many interesting stories and histories within it. I must agree with others in the point that they Bible says many things are okay; incest, slavery, etc, etc. Very taboo things. Sodom and Gomorrah is the only story that people seem to remember for some reason. XD
- It's just gross.
Okay, no matter what "preference" or whatever you are, sex is just messy and gross in general. I personally think hets are worse than the gay people that they freak out about. The thing that is grossest to me is people not thinking love is sacred and should be cherished. Yeah, life's short, but no matter who you love, love them earnestly and give yourself only to them. I find television quite offensive. Het coulples doin' the freak nasty/porn is normal, but on national television if a gay person even pecks another of one's gender on the cheek there's a warning before the show. C'mon. WTF.
-It's a choice.
Who cares if it is or isn't? As long as you're a good person and not just hangin' your jibblies out and screaming in the street what you do in the bedroom. Hell, a lot of things are choices. I have no idea if it is or isn't. If your love is sincere, then I wish you the best. We need more pure love in the world.
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:50 am
- Being gay's not natural.
How is it not any different or "un-natural" as not liking a certain type of food? Or race? Or animal? Being gay may not be "natural," but it is certainly not a birth defect or handicap in anyway.
- The Bible says so [Not only in Leviticus].
Truly, I believe the Bible has been so watered down and edited by so many people with simply the same views. And I ask to not get in an argument over that comment as it is simply my opinion. As I am religious, and I believe in God, I do not believe some parts of the Bible are the true part it was written of.
- It's just gross.
I agree with the poster above, sex in general can be quite "gross," again it's a matter of opinion. How is it any more "gross" than a straight couple? We all do the same things, just with the same sex. Also, that comment "It's just gross" is said out of immaturity.
- It's a choice.
You cannot "choose" to be gay, as how could an animal, something that does not have the kind of brain function such as humans, choose to be gay? As it has been proven that animals can be gay, and there has been research done that proves there are gay animals out there. As being gay is simply like being "African American" or black, it's simply the way we are born. But it is a matter of opinion on that.
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