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Spelling is actually quite important since it usually gives people that are not aware of your actual intelligence a measure of your supposed intelligence. And so far since I am an English grammar and spelling fanatic type person, my opinion is very low. Now as I have asked before have you seen actual documented and not just by word of mouth proof that this person is an actual Preistess. If she is indeed such, which I doubt very much, then she is lying through her teeth. If she is just a practioner then she has no knowledge of this on her own. I suggest you listen Shi-san, she is one of the most informed people I know on this subject. Most likely, she is the most informed person you will meet on this subject until you get serious about this.

When you become serious and stop basically insulting the religion with your stupidity then you will see your past mistakes and can fix them and teach others not to make them. And the ones that do have knowledge on this subject do have a right to tell beginners whats going on because they KNOW what's going on.

Very well you want us to have all the information before we come to conclusions, fine, give us the information we require to judge.

Oh and what typing skills are you trying to improve on, 'cause I don't see any.

Do pardon my error since if I do see one when I reread my posts I edit my posts to fix them. But unlike you it seems I just don't ignore proper spelling or grammar just because I don't feel like thinking for a moment. If there is something wrong and someone points it out to me then I will fix the previous post and I will try not to make that mistake again, instead of just ignoring it.

The same actually goes along with the knowledge that you are BSing about. So shut up, learn from your mistakes and fix them before you put someone else in the wrong frame of mind and thoughts.

Alright, at this point both sides are spending more time insulting each other than getting anywhere. I suggest we all grow up a bit, you are yelling at the avatars of people you may never meet in the real world... Though I understand arguing with people who refuse to listen to you is infuriating as all get out.

Shimegas_Rage is one of the most informed people around here on most forms of Paganism, and indeed religion in general. So, yes, one would probably benefit from reading any of her suggested sources.

Havana: Seeing as we have mentioned websites and books for our sources, why don't you know list your sources so we can have a look at them?
If (and this is a big IF in my opinon, as I do think you're in the wrong) you were right, you could be doing the rest of us a huge favour by enlightening us to our errors. If you don't list sources, we can just assume you're making everything up, this is the internet after all...

Forgive me for not keeping up with appearances. But since I work second shift and when I finally get home I am to tired to keep on proving my point.
As for hypocriacy (Don't bother correcting me) no one has even come close to proving me wrong. I read up on Gardner. He himself swears he was inciated (Don't bother) which is where he was taught wicca. Since you all love him so much, you should realize that he was taught from others who were also taught. There for by his own admission he didn't create wicca

There is also no proof stating otherwise. So until Gardner himself comes back from the dead to admit he lied about being innicated (Don't care) which would in itself make him a hyprocrite. Since he himself can not call himself wiccan since he wasn't innicated (Going by all of your points) so saying no one is truely wiccan so your arguements goes into the dog pile so saying. If one practices wicca/pagan/witchcraft and they feel like calling themselves wiccan then they have every right to do so

except for the fact that the very woman he claims initiated him was a respected individual in the Christian community and didn't engage in any of the activities that Gardner presents as Wiccan.

again, read the sources i actually sited Irish.

you seem to neglect two ideas.

1. the creator of a religion creates the religion. therefore they create the rules for said religion.

2. one can be initiated by the Lord and Lady of the Isles/Wicca.

you really don't read any of the arguments presented against you, do you? or is it just my posts that you don't read?

one must be initiated into Wicca in order to be classified as a follower. there are two methods of being initiated. one is by a Wiccan. the other is by the Lord and Lady of Wicca.

Wicca is an orthopraxic religion (emphasis on practice not belief) and the only way to find out about how to practice as a Wiccan does is to be initiated (because it is a mystery religion).

and would it kill you to stop using Wicca, Pagan and witchcraft interchangeably? they aren't the same!

no. they aren't. you need to read and study more.

not all pagans are witches or Wiccans. not all witches are Wiccans.

i am a pagan. i am a part of Ár nDraíocht Féin, which is a neopagan organization. we are not witches.

proof please.

proof please.

proof that he was referring to all of pagan religions and not just his sect.

you are making a lot of extraordinary claims. care to offer any bit of extraordinary proof?

bullshit.

how do you explain the Hellenic recons? and the Asatru?

it is an orthopraxic, mystery, fertility based religion. it is not orthodoxic.

provide proof.

check your translation. it's actually poisoners who are considered "evil".