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She's going without a bra?! With boobs that size?!?!

Huh? They're all the same age?

You can get n****e tape these days.

I didn't until you showed me again.

That would mean vampires came from Mesopotamia rather than Europe, which I am very opposed to because it's stupid to think there were vampires in Mesopotamia. There was no such thing there. They had demons, gods, demigods, keepers of the underworld and an old man who found the secret to immortality. They were basically the predecessors of Christianity, which didn't have vampires in it. Have you heard of vampires in the Bible?

A better migratory pattern would be central Europe until the Macedonian Empire opened trade with other countries around Europe and parts of Asia. The Romans then took over and went north through the rest of Europe, which is where vampires originate. To say otherwise is to ignore human history in the human world.

Either would work.

Then why are you continuing on a line of thought that is so obviously contradictory to history, especially when there are only 100ish left in the world after Hitler and his occult buddies near wiped them out?

A catch-all term would mean going back to our previous argument where we grouped practically every blood sucking race under "vampires". Demons are not vampires and vampires are not demons. Under the assumption that such things exist, the gods and mythological beings of Greece, Rome, Egypt and Mesopotamia had a strong involvement in human life. They practically dictated what humans did and did not do every single moment of their lives. It isn't like today's God where he remains in his realm and watching his pawns move around. Gods and other creatures got down and dirty with people. People talked to and knew the creatures that influenced their lives. They would know the difference between a demon and a vampire. Even if they didn't use the word "vampire" they would still have specific traits (eg, demons are associated with the underworld/hell, vampires remain only on the human earth).

Since we are using Spain, Rome and Greece as specific regions (all of which are at the southern end and have a different history to the rest of Europe), I am using Central Europe to mean the countries not based on Roman/Greek culture (or Russian, which is entirely different again).

Reply to edit: Pretty much.

So the elders in the quote box aren't all vampires, they're Die Synode's elders? I thought you were talking about them being the court elders. *facepalm* My bad.

Wait, I thought the only vampire in Die Synode's court was Betel. Okay...

Who is in the vampiric court, who is an elder in the vampiric court, who is not a vampire and who is an elder in Die Synode? Can we please can Die Synode von Mitternacht "Synode", the Vampiric Court (or whatever we change it to) "Court" and the Unseelie Court "Unseelie". That way we won't confuse terms so often.

I'm including all, except Italy. Italy and Greece are culturally (thus historically) different from the rest of Europe. Plus I would have thought they'd be central Europe.

EDIT: BBL, I gotta do errands for my sis. *sigh*

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I would think they'd have a Teutonic name, since they're from around that area. It depends when and where the Court originated.

I just got back. Imma have a shower then possibly go for a walk. I'm currently playing Mum until Dad gets back (as well as uni, research and job hunting), at which point I'll be less Mumish.

*blinks*

First time I've had to get on properly.

Why are there Ghuls in a VAMPIRE court? Ghuls aren't even blood-suckers, let alone vampires.

I meant nine in Die Synode. Chronos Sanctos (which totally needs renaming when I have time) isn't as important to the folkloric world. I do agree with stenographer and guard being allowed to speak up in open discussion.

I think you're getting the two ruling bodies mixed up. A vampire's court is more open than Die Synode. There are only 100 left so all would be welcome to attend. They wouldn't be as secretive among their members ad Die Synode.

Ghuls are not vampires. They would not be a part of the vampire council. Ghuls eat the dead. They go into graves and eat the dead. Vampires drink the blood of the living. Why not throw elves into the f*cking vampire court too? Ghuls do not belong in vampire society so would not be a part of their court.

Yes, Die Synode came after the Reformation. Yes, the Sanctos could have been around for centuries longer. That does not mean the two overlap. Betel is the only member in both councils. Originally it was because he was the oldest living vampire but you seem obsessed with having beings from Mesopotamia and etc in amongst the vampires. If aswang, chupacapra, nosferatu, alps and other blood sucking creatures are not considered part of the vampire community, why would something that predates vampires, originates in a different part of the world and is completely different than any depiction of a vampire be part of their community? It's ludicrous.

Reply to edit: I doubt there would only be three groups in the entire folkloric world. I'm sure elves, gnomes and all the other major groups have their own organised society, each with different amounts of control within the community. There isn't just one governing body in the human world, or even in one country. There are hundreds of political parties, churches and interest groups throughout every state and country of the world.

So the vampiric court is no longer a vampiric court? *groans* Between you and looking after my siblings, I think I'm going to go insane.

What you are thinking of is called a mission statement.

The purpose of the vampiric court is that vampires have a social nature. They tend to group together and form a higher council to rule over the rest of the vampires and control who drinks what, when and where, just like any kingdom or aristocracy in human society. Their government mimics ours. That is the purpose of Sanctos, or whatever we end up calling it.

What you are now suggesting has nothing to do with a vampiric court. If you wanted something other than a vampiric court you should have stated it earlier. What you are suggesting might as well have centaurs, fey, witches and whatever frigging race you want to throw in it. Being a vampire would have nothing to do with it, Betel would not be seen as a medium between the two parties (because what you are talking abut is a secret society) and not all vampires would get in. Is this what you were wanting?