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 Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:52 pm
and further, it's Dale's fault that it's Viki's fault.
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:16 pm
Phil Srobeighn As much as I love talking about the mathematical odds of spontaneously occuring life on a planet in a universe suitable for intellegent life genetically mutating in finite time to form said intellegent life without the design or influence of a higher being and how they exceed the mathematical limit of impossibility, I simply bring it up because I think everyone else is tired of watching me beat your spoon-fed liberal mind to a pulp with real research and not the crap being pushed by the vast left-wing consipracy who want to justify their insane "definition of is" logical leaps and not be subject to some moral absolute. What is even required for life to spontaneously occur? Planets for sure and probably planets that aren't pelted by space debris very often but after that it gets fuzzy. Water is very likely to be neccesary so that brings in relative distance from a star and the pressence of both hydrogen and oxygen but those three things are quite common...
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:24 am
VictoriaErin I feel bad for even bringing up global warming in the first place. Look, all I'm saying is, if global warming exists, it's Dale's fault. Remember folks: Hate Dale. Hit Desi. Hey. I said I was sorry alright. Global warming was an accident that only happened once. I was young and I was experimenting. All young mages experiment from time to time. It was December, and I wanted to make it a little warmer so I accidentally raised the temperature of the planet a couple, ten degrees. I fixed it, I'll remind you. Hence Phil's argument. It's not happening anymore. Hit Desi. evil ... Holy s**t, where did that come from? eek
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:41 am
Shokushu Phil Srobeighn As much as I love talking about the mathematical odds of spontaneously occuring life on a planet in a universe suitable for intellegent life genetically mutating in finite time to form said intellegent life without the design or influence of a higher being and how they exceed the mathematical limit of impossibility, I simply bring it up because I think everyone else is tired of watching me beat your spoon-fed liberal mind to a pulp with real research and not the crap being pushed by the vast left-wing consipracy who want to justify their insane "definition of is" logical leaps and not be subject to some moral absolute. What is even required for life to spontaneously occur? Planets for sure and probably planets that aren't pelted by space debris very often but after that it gets fuzzy. Water is very likely to be neccesary so that brings in relative distance from a star and the pressence of both hydrogen and oxygen but those three things are quite common... *Points* you! STOP BAITING HIM *points other way to Phil* YOU! STOP LETTING HIM BAIT YOU.
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:23 am
Jon-OH Shokushu Phil Srobeighn As much as I love talking about the mathematical odds of spontaneously occuring life on a planet in a universe suitable for intellegent life genetically mutating in finite time to form said intellegent life without the design or influence of a higher being and how they exceed the mathematical limit of impossibility, I simply bring it up because I think everyone else is tired of watching me beat your spoon-fed liberal mind to a pulp with real research and not the crap being pushed by the vast left-wing consipracy who want to justify their insane "definition of is" logical leaps and not be subject to some moral absolute. What is even required for life to spontaneously occur? Planets for sure and probably planets that aren't pelted by space debris very often but after that it gets fuzzy. Water is very likely to be neccesary so that brings in relative distance from a star and the pressence of both hydrogen and oxygen but those three things are quite common... *Points* you! STOP BAITING HIM *points other way to Phil* YOU! STOP LETTING HIM BAIT YOU. But, but Jon... everyone knows that the atomic weight of hydrogen, number of dimensions, and number of stars in a universe, realative distance from a correct-generation star of the right temperature, and the ratio of nitrogen and oxygen in an atmosphere are all factors in life development that add drastically to the odds of spontaneous life in a universe so that the odds are so mathematically stacked against life to occur spontaneously, to the point where it is nigh impossible, that its eveloution into intellegent life, even some sort of advanced life beyond cellular and instead multi-tissued, is a mathematical impossibility! And I want to say that too him!!! crying
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:54 pm
yes, but it's rapidly approaching the point where if these sorts of discussions continue, I'll start hitting anyone who contributes to it with a bat until a nail magically appears in it.
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:55 pm
Jon-OH yes, but it's rapidly approaching the point where if these sorts of discussions continue, I'll start hitting anyone who contributes to it with a bat until a nail magically appears in it. But I want to say that those things only affect the life that's common on this planet as we have no idea what other compounds could work and that multicellular life only requires one protein difference from single cullular stuff- and that bacteria have been observed gaining just such a protein from mutation. I guess I'm going to have nail holes in me soon. ...that or we could just make a seperate thread for me and Phil to argue this in until we've worn ourselves out.
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:14 am
actually, since you and he are the only ones contributing to the discussion in a manner other than "stop talking about it" perhaps it would be more prudent to take it to PMs, since it would seem as though no one else cares about it beyond getting it to stop.
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:25 am
Jon-OH actually, since you and he are the only ones contributing to the discussion in a manner other than "stop talking about it" perhaps it would be more prudent to take it to PMs, since it would seem as though no one else cares about it beyond getting it to stop. You tell 'em, Mr. Oh.
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:20 am
VictoriaErin Jon-OH actually, since you and he are the only ones contributing to the discussion in a manner other than "stop talking about it" perhaps it would be more prudent to take it to PMs, since it would seem as though no one else cares about it beyond getting it to stop. You tell 'em, Mr. Oh. Fine, fine, I'll leave it alone, just drop the whole point that I wasn't talking about multi cellular or single cellular life but instead cellular life in the lower kingdoms and higher, more complex life such as what we see in the plant and animal kingdom, and that while life in general can be reproduced in other forms it takes certain minimum requirements for intellegent life that are adopted by all scientists, let alone that the majority of the odds are taken up by huge leaps at the beggining and end of the chain, moving from more-than-basic life to life capable of evolving into a recognizable intellegence and the very nature of the universe necessary for something as complex as life to exist. I drop it because I care.
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:42 am
I heart you, Phil Who Knows More Than Me.
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:11 pm
I could just go on about how I'm dropping the subject while actually giving some more of my reasons but it would really be much better to take this to pms. Would you like to send the first one?
Edit: Please strike this out in your posts n_n
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:17 pm
Shokushu I could just go on about how I'm dropping the subject while actually giving some more of my reasons but it would really be much better to take this to pms. Would you like to send the first one? ooooo lookit Sho being the bigger man
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:36 pm
Jon-OH Shokushu I could just go on about how I'm dropping the subject while actually giving some more of my reasons but it would really be much better to take this to pms. Would you like to send the first one? ooooo lookit Sho being the bigger man Dangit, Sho, I'm not arguing you for the sake of the argument, I know you know your side as well as I know mine. I'm doing it to irritate the people on the sidelines.
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:43 pm
Sorry, I'm bad at picking up on those sort of thing and I've irritated people on the sidelines enough lately that I feel I need to tone it back for awhile. Well, not you guys but I hadn't really thought about it until just now.
...and I can't think of any way to go back into that- I guess we could just ignore my take it to pms things...
Ok, I can drop the subject. I don't need to tell you that there's an easily observable gradient of plants and animals considdering the average rate of fossilization and how likely we are to find them. I don't need to mention that there are a tousand billion billion stars within our vision and that around half of them have planets so that after thirteen billion years the numbers are so out of our comprehension that no one really has the experience to say what there is or isn't. And hell, I don't even need to bring up that there's no need for everything to use sucha similar code for cytochrome c when there are more possible protein sequences for it that there are molecules in the universe~
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