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You miss the point... I mean where did the Earth come from in the beginning. Explain that.

perhaps there is no beginning for the earth, that would mean that there will be no end to it. perhaps we were modeled in shape to a god that somehow looks like an over-developed monkey, as we do. perhaps we created god in our image. perhaps a big gaseous mass concentrated enough and received the explotion of a star thus begining a chain reaction of explosions that formed the milky way and then we named it "Big Bang".

There is no certainty but doubt in the matter, we know we are not unique because our galaxy is not unique, as there is a Milky Way, there are unknown amounts of other galaxies that have the same probabilities to be home of species like us and like those that habit this planet.

Still, if you believe that the laws of thermodynamics are violated by scientists explaining the origins of the Universe, let me tell you that it is religion that makes a concept out of the blue in regards to creationism; creation theories set, at least, a big mass of gas in space and the previous existance of stars... (stars are just that, big concentrations of gas) so there used to be many things before the earth originated, according to this theories.

If you get picky and ask "ok so gas and stars existed, but where did originated from?" I should answer you that it probably was as every dioxide, carbon gas and any other gas originates... which I have no idea how... that's likely... as likely as that Space has always existed, we'll never know

if you want to read stories in the bible that did happen.. then read the Book of Revelations... people have always interpretated the Book of revelations literally, not actually accepting that they were all apologies for the fall of Rome... the riders in the sky, the seven seals (the seven kingdoms), the damned with the markings of the "beast" in their hands (the roman coins with the picture of Cesar Augustus, this is if I'm not mistaken, who was nicknamed "the 666"), the very same number of the beast (as said before, it was the nickname jews and then christians as well used for one recognized roman emperor...

if you want to read stories that were absolutely fictional and copycated from many religions then read Chrismas (original pagan festivity), (not the story of Saint Nicholas though), read the rebirth of Lazarus (Laz-ar-harus, or a guy with a name very similar to that, was an egyptian that was brought back to life by Horus), the same Jesus Christ had the same amount of apostles as Siddharta Budha, Krishna and Horus, he was a semi god, just as Horus and he rose to the heavens in the form of the spiritu sanctus (a bird), symbol of Horus himself.

Crucifixion on the other hand, did existed, thousands and thousands of people were crucifixed for their beliefs and for their actions during those times... there is suspicion that Jesus was condemned but escaped his faith; since when he was at trial with Barabaz, in arameic pronounced something like Barab-a-baaz (not quite though, forgive my inaccuracy but I haven't talked about this for some time now), he was the one being released and not Jesus.

But Barab's name in arameic means "son of the father", Jesus doesn't.

So there comes suspicions of Jesus being released and some other jackass getting the punishment of crucifixion.

As accounted in the Roman registries, there were at least 50 guys in the area surrounding Jerusalem and Arimatea in that period... I believe 17 of them were famous because of many things, one was a rebellious guy who got crushed under a rock, the other was a preacher (not a prophet though), and many more I can't remember right now... I think one of them was very wealthy... but who knows..

Still, no records exists of Jesus of Nazareth, beacuse of many things, mainly two: The story claims that Mary and Joseph needed to go to Bethlem because a census was being conducted, the census of quirinius for taxation purposes; some tell that they were escaping from Galilee to Bethlem because they didn't want to be censed and the child couldn't be discovered... the thrill ends when it is historically proven that Galilee WASN'T inside the Roman Empire until many years later.. thus making it nonsense for them to go to a Roman Empire census OR escape from a census conducted in their city.

Of course then we have the archeological evidence that Bethlehem never existed because the area when all "historical" maps claim to place Bethlehem, only point to the direction of a public waste

Same public waste that was an analogy for Hell. As you can imagine, the pungent stench coming out from garbage and decaying bodies out in the desert's sun was unbearable, and the chemicals in the earth formed sulfur... that rotten-eggs stench for which hell is famous.

Of course, this public waste was called "The pit of Hel" (with one L).

Ah sorry... i overdid this >_>

Come on, Kitana. You cannot have an opinion on someone you don't know. God, in this particular case. You might know 'who He is' or 'Who they claim him to be', but you don't KNOW Him.

No one? I am pretty sure our buddy "Angel of Metal" here knows Him, and so do I

That you consider George Bush to be the Antichrist is one thing... I don't believe his dad, mother and brother consider him the antichrist though.. nor do I.. he's just a ******** up old man, but what signs has he given of being the "antichrist"?

The formation of Israel was done in the 60's, so yeah, almost 50 years ago.. reason for this: the overwhelming pity and mental maturbation they earned for being persecuted in the 2nd world war.

More than two wars were fought in the last century, why only take into consideration 2? Because the bible says so? I mean.. the "World Wars" didn't include all the world, at all. So they were as meaningful as any war... the Crimea war was meaningful for A LOT of people, so was the Cold War, so was the Iran-Iraq war, in which the U.S. dug their claws in.

So was the Bosnian civil war, so was the Spanish civil war


And NEITHER war included the whole world. So I think your interpretation of the Revelations there fall as short as it can... unless the bible says that the United States and most of the more important countries in Europe (not all though) were to fight in these meaningful wars....

You say the second coming already happened?

Who the heck is Emmanuel by the way? I know Immanuel Kant was a christian philosopher, but he wasn't the son of god... and Emanuel is one of the most common names in Spanish to name a guy, so is Jesus.

So there are a bunch of beaners running around with christian names... that's the second coming? I didn't get that part of your statement

Oh, and by the way, the book of Revelations, as much as the whole bible will mean whatever you want them to mean, as long as you believe them to mean that.

my mistake.. was it the United Nations or the Council of Nations?

Beh...