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 Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:35 pm
At the maximum expression of his power, Bobby can remove the kinetic energy off of anything and everything on a planetary scale.
That involves just flat out stopping Storm from moving at all.
On the speed side, keep in mind that, no matter how fast her attacks are, her reaction time remains human. Her shooting lighting is not much more different from shooting a gun (except for doing more damage).
Remember, Omega is a matter of POTENTIAL. A mutant with peak physical stats and Leech's power would be able to kill any Omega, but he wouldn't be an Omega himself.
Being able to kill an Omega does not make you an Omega. Magneto is a confirmed Alpha and he killed Jean...
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:57 pm
The Deadpool At the maximum expression of his power, Bobby can remove the kinetic energy off of anything and everything on a planetary scale. That involves just flat out stopping Storm from moving at all. On the speed side, keep in mind that, no matter how fast her attacks are, her reaction time remains human. Her shooting lighting is not much more different from shooting a gun (except for doing more damage). Remember, Omega is a matter of POTENTIAL. A mutant with peak physical stats and Leech's power would be able to kill any Omega, but he wouldn't be an Omega himself. Being able to kill an Omega does not make you an Omega. Magneto is a confirmed Alpha and he killed Jean...
Yeah, again. Like I told him, even if Storm could could predict the moves of Superman. Superman's speed and reflexes exceed lightspeed several times over.
Predicting or even being fast yourself doesn't mean a thing if your opponent's speed and reflexes exceed your own.
Funny how someone as simple as Leech could disable the most powerful mutants when you look at it from that angle.
As for Jean, sure though you know she'll just come back eventually. That's why she's called Phoenix sweatdrop .
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:38 pm
Kuroudo Akabane Dark Philosopher Kuroudo Akabane Dark Philosopher Confused...if I am not mistaken Storm's body adapts to whatever the temperature is. Not only that but controlling weather should never be called peanuts. There is alot more to it than just raising and lowering temp. There are high pressure changes, and atmospheric changes of great depths that need to be made. And she does all of this with simple thought. Does anyone know the strict conditions that need to be met for lightning to occur? Not to mention the amount of energy that basic lightning creates...30,000 to 50,000 degrees F...for those of you who don't know...that's hotter than the suns surface. So how isn't she considerred omega with the amount of energy she is able to create? That screams serious potential to me. I also believe that Iceman's powers rely on moisture...I mean how could he freeze something if there is no trail of moisture connecting him...to whatever it is he is freezing? ...I am curious about something else...does he have the potentail to freeze the suns surface?
Robert Louise Drake better known as Iceman's powers do indeed rely on moisture.
Take his cryokinesis ability which allows him to create ice structures and actually allows him to compose his anatomy into ice itself (as opposed to just simply covering himself in it like in the classic comic days).
Then there are his hydrokinesis abilities. Iceman can convert himself to moisture's base elements and travel through it as long as there is moisture present. He could do the same for another person as well. Finally he is able to freeze the water molecules inside a person which DO EXIST in people.
As long as there is moisture...
But you're forgetting Philosopher, moisture is ALWAYS present in the air around us even in the desert. Just not as much exists in the desert and this does slow Drake down a bit but he's a lot better off than Ororo Munroe better off than Storm as I will explain why...
I think you're refferring to the fact that Anthony "Tony" Stark better known as Ironman saying that she's is possibly an Omega-Level mutant.
Possible does not mean automatic Omega but then again Stark isn't a moron either.
But Storm has some serious limitations:Quote: Storm can only manipulate weather patterns as they exist in nature. For example, she can end a drought in one area by creating torrential rains there, but that would necessitate robbing all available moisture from the surrounding areas. Storm is not able to create atmospheric conditions that do not exist naturally on the planet she is on. For example, Storm is unable to lower temperatures as far as absolute zero or raise them to solar intensities on Earth. Quote: To illustrate the extent of this control, Thor's power of weather can be compared to Storm's, a mutant imbued with weather controlling powers. Although very powerful, Storm can only manipulate existing weather conditions to achieve the desired effect. Creating a thunderstorm in a desert would take much longer than normal. Thor, on the other hand, creates weather conditions as a result of his godhood. Creating a thunderstorm in a desert requires no more effort than normal. While Storm can manipulate weather, Thor can just as easily undo her manipulations with little effort. In Marvel vs. DC, Thor defeated Captain Marvel by simply withholding the lightning that allowed him to transform from Billy Batson into the superhero. Although he usually currents this power through Mjolnir, he can generate any of these effects himself.
Now in relation to Storm v Iceman. Storm would "probably" predict Iceman's movement's since she can view the electrical impulses given off by the human nervous system. But when Drake uses hydrokinesis to break himself down into water molecules and travel through the air it's as quick as teleportation and Storm's electrical sight only gives her a split second's notice.
I mean Storm's not going to be able to react quick enough to avoid a blow from Superman even if she is able to predict his movements.
Storm could proabably try and dissipate Iceman in his molecular form BUT...Drake can instantly reform himself. All he needs is a source of moisture which again already exists in immediate air everywhere.
I'd put Wanda Maximoff the Scarlet Witch in way before Storm.Well...actually as I thought I said before I know nothing about comics unfortunatly sweatdrop I was just basing my reasoning off of what little I do know from X-Men...i.e. very few comics, tv, etc. Once again though it appears her abilities to control and I believe store lightning are being ignored. I had no idea that she could see impulses but if that is the case she would definatly have the advantage. She doesn't even need to predict his movements because the lightning would be drawn to his molecular form. So you say he is fast...The typical stroke can last only 30 milliseconds, so four to five strokes may happen in the blink of an eye. She only needs to hit him once to do some damage. More than once and I am sure not even he could reform himself several times. Unless he can...can he? And once again...can he freeze the sun's surface? I have some questions about her...maybe you can answer them?
It's the same principle with regenerators such as Wolverine, Deadpool, The Hulk, and some others.
For instance let's just say that the fight was Superman v. The Hulk. Superman could probably vaporize The Hulk with his heat vision. However, that would not end the fight. The Hulk has I'm pretty sure survived damned near being vaporized before and by nuclear force at that.
Hell Wolverine's recently survived point blank explosions. Completely regenerated himself from just being a walking Adamantium skeleton. The X-Men movie X-3 X-Men United did a good job of displaying this when Wolverine was being ripped apart atom by atom by Phoenix.
I'm sure Iceman can pretty much do the same thing he just uses a different method.
Storm's lightning wouldn't affect Drake especially in his solid organic ice form because he can just reform himself even if the bolts of lightning were to shatter.
Indeed he can reform himself infinite number of times.
He could also freeze the moisture in the air around him to create shields and other constructs to take the hits for him.
Iceman doesn't exactly manipulate the moisture in the air but rather has a psionic ability to manipulate thermal energy on a subatomic level. In thermodynamics cold is the absence of heat. Drake can dispel the heat energy.
Simple phsyics. There is always moisture in the air which is a gas. Any gas including air exists in gas form because of the high kinetic energy as a result of being exposed to a high amount of heat energy of keeps the air atoms aptly spaced apart.
When you lower the tempeture just enough then gas becomes a liquid. The atoms are more condensed but still bonded loosely enough to were they're still not easily contained as I'm sure you've seen when you try and hold water in your hands. The molecules are still too loose for you to try and hold them like a rock. Thus there is still heat energy present that's keeping them apart to a degree.
Then when exposed to extremely low enough tempertures or the COMPLETE absence of heat gases inevitably if not almost immediately become solids. Without heat energy there is nothing there to increase the kinetic energy of the atoms. As a result the bond between the atoms becomes extremely condensed and in the case of moisture molecules it becomes ICE.
This is how Drake is able to form ice constructs such a projectiles and shields literally out of thin air. He gets rid of all the heat energy in a designated spot and you have instant ice.
Yes, Drake is fast when using hydrokinesis but I'm not saying that he's THAT fast. It's more like his answer to teleportation.
But that's not what gives him the advantage over Storm. Storm is immune to the harsh weather conditions. But she is not immune to having the water molecules in her body completely frozen which Drake can easily do, though I'm not sure how long this will take to take into effect but it'll be long before Storm can figure out a way to damage Drake given that Iceman can reform himself from being shattered by a bolt of lightning that is assuming IF it can shatter him.
With regenerators the one sure fire way to attain a victory is to render them unconscious which Storm does not possess any ability to do.
Cold weather is a no go of course.
Lightning, Drake will just reform himself.
Solar winds, POSSIBLY EFFECTIVE but then again it of course will not kill Drake but it wouldn't surprise me if Drake can cool the air much better than Storm can raise it.
Remember Storm can only manipulate the weather conditions that exist in that enviroment.
In order to create a Storm in oh say...Iraq she would have to draw the potential moisture from surrounding areas, like the nearest rainforests or something. Nor could she raise the temerature of the whole planet Earth to the intensities of the Sun because that temperature does not exist on the planet itself let alone the weather conditions necessary.
Drake can pretty much form ice on any planet because he's expelling the heat energy in a designated area if not his own. Which is always possible. Again, according to the laws of thermodynamics Cold=No Heat.
Get rid of the heat which Iceman can and on a molecular level at that and you can form ice damn near anywhere you want.
Also, Storm's immunity to extreme temperatures including intense cold is somewhat limited. Definitely limited enough for Drake to exploit them.Oh what is your question about Storm???I haven't read many comics myself in my life time but I have other ways of learning about comic characters. In Marvel's case, there's Uncannyx-men.net, Marveldirectory.com, Marvel.com, Marveldatabase.com, and wikipedia. You can also use Dcdatabaseproject.com and wikipedia for DC characters. That kind of sucks...I was a really big fan of hers sweatdrop damn it. How is it her body holds lightning exactly, that is without taking on it's properties? I mean...I don't think there is any increase in body temp anywhere near to what the temp of lightning is. Drake can take on this type of ice form...Storm can't do this with lightning though...even though she stores it?
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:42 pm
The Deadpool At the maximum expression of his power, Bobby can remove the kinetic energy off of anything and everything on a planetary scale. That involves just flat out stopping Storm from moving at all. On the speed side, keep in mind that, no matter how fast her attacks are, her reaction time remains human. Her shooting lighting is not much more different from shooting a gun (except for doing more damage). Remember, Omega is a matter of POTENTIAL. A mutant with peak physical stats and Leech's power would be able to kill any Omega, but he wouldn't be an Omega himself. Being able to kill an Omega does not make you an Omega. Magneto is a confirmed Alpha and he killed Jean... ok...I understand now. I have another question. I do remember reading a comic where iceman fought the son of prof x...some guy with pyro kenisis. Drake froze the water in his body, but her still regenerated from it. You don't think that she could do the same thing, using lightning? I mean the pyro's body wasn't even made to withstand conditions like that...I think Storm would do a much better job at regerating after being frozen.
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:45 pm
Dark Philosopher The Deadpool At the maximum expression of his power, Bobby can remove the kinetic energy off of anything and everything on a planetary scale. That involves just flat out stopping Storm from moving at all. On the speed side, keep in mind that, no matter how fast her attacks are, her reaction time remains human. Her shooting lighting is not much more different from shooting a gun (except for doing more damage). Remember, Omega is a matter of POTENTIAL. A mutant with peak physical stats and Leech's power would be able to kill any Omega, but he wouldn't be an Omega himself. Being able to kill an Omega does not make you an Omega. Magneto is a confirmed Alpha and he killed Jean... ok...I understand now. I have another question. I do remember reading a comic where iceman fought the son of prof x...some guy with pyro kenisis. Drake froze the water in his body, but her still regenerated from it. You don't think that she could do the same thing, using lightning? I mean the pyro's body wasn't even made to withstand conditions like that...I think Storm would do a much better job at regerating after being frozen.
Iceman, Deadpool, Wolverine, The Hulk, Paladin Alexander Andersong, Amano Ginji, Piccolo, Akabane Kuroudo.
We know these people can regenerate because we've either seen it or it is specifically stated in their profiles that they can indeed do so.
It's probably possible but Storm cannot regenerate herself at all. Not one bit.
The only reason I must say I find your question feasible though is because of this guy here...
Amano Ginji is a powerful electrical generator himself and is capable of regenerating his wounds in a day .
But then again much like how Robert Drake is much better at producing cold tempertatures than Storm, Ginji is much better a producing electrical attacks especially in his anime incarnation where he doesn't seem need an electrical an external electrical source for power.
But this isn't hypothesis/theorizing. Ginji is a regenerator because it is stated not to mention even depicted.
Nowhere is it shown nor said Storm can regenerate. So she can't no matter how much sense it may or may not make.You are misunderstanding me...the son of prof x isn't a regenerator either, but he had every molecule in his body frozen by Drake. He still was able to recover using heat, he came out unharmed and still with use of all his powers. I am saying that Storm would be much better at this because she is use to harsher weather conditions than the pyrokenesis guy. He was able to recover even though his body isn't made to withstand what Storm's is.
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:20 am
Kuroudo Akabane Dark Philosopher The Deadpool At the maximum expression of his power, Bobby can remove the kinetic energy off of anything and everything on a planetary scale. That involves just flat out stopping Storm from moving at all. On the speed side, keep in mind that, no matter how fast her attacks are, her reaction time remains human. Her shooting lighting is not much more different from shooting a gun (except for doing more damage). Remember, Omega is a matter of POTENTIAL. A mutant with peak physical stats and Leech's power would be able to kill any Omega, but he wouldn't be an Omega himself. Being able to kill an Omega does not make you an Omega. Magneto is a confirmed Alpha and he killed Jean... ok...I understand now. I have another question. I do remember reading a comic where iceman fought the son of prof x...some guy with pyro kenisis. Drake froze the water in his body, but her still regenerated from it. You don't think that she could do the same thing, using lightning? I mean the pyro's body wasn't even made to withstand conditions like that...I think Storm would do a much better job at regerating after being frozen.
Iceman, Deadpool, Wolverine, The Hulk, Paladin Alexander Andersong, Amano Ginji, Piccolo, Akabane Kuroudo.
We know these people can regenerate because we've either seen it or it is specifically stated in their profiles that they can indeed do so.
It's probably possible but Storm cannot regenerate herself at all. Not one bit.
The only reason I must say I find your question feasible though is because of this guy here...
Amano Ginji is a powerful electrical generator himself and is capable of regenerating his wounds in a day .
But then again much like how Robert Drake is much better at producing cold tempertatures than Storm, Ginji is much better a producing electrical attacks especially in his anime incarnation where he doesn't seem need an electrical an external electrical source for power.
But this isn't hypothesis/theorizing. Ginji is a regenerator because it is stated not to mention even depicted.
Nowhere is it shown nor said Storm can regenerate. So she can't no matter how much sense it may or may not make.You are misunderstanding me...the son of prof x isn't a regenerator either, but he had every molecule in his body frozen by Drake. He still was able to recover using heat, he came out unharmed and still with use of all his powers. I am saying that Storm would be much better at this because she is use to harsher weather conditions than the pyrokenesis guy. He was able to recover even though his body isn't made to withstand what Storm's is. You are misunderstanding me...the son of prof x isn't a regenerator either, but he had every molecule in his body frozen by Drake. He still was able to recover using heat, he came out unharmed and still with use of all his powers. I am saying that Storm would be much better at this because she is use to harsher weather conditions than the pyrokenesis guy. He was able to recover even though his body isn't made to withstand what Storm's is(harsh cold and heat weather conditions).
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:24 pm
To call Legion merely a pyrokinetic is a crime... He's an IMMENSELY powerful psi with multiple personalities. While one of them is indeed mainly pyrokinetic, he's said to have ten times Charles' psionic power even without any training.
But ultimately, the problem is power. Legion increases the vibration of molecules to raise the temperature. Iceman lowers the vibration of molecules to lower temperature. Storm controls the weather. PERIOD. She can make it seem like a hot day at a desert, but she just CONTROL WEATHER. She doesn't control kinetic energy on a molecular level.
Btw, WAY back in the Inferno days, the X-Men were fighting a demon called Nastirth. The details of the fight don't matter, but the X-Men came up with a plan. Storm increased the temperature and humidity around the are they were on AS HIGH AS SHE COULD. Meanwhile, Bobby froze the entire Empire States Building (it'd been made higher by the demons) WHILE WITHIN THE HOTEST TEMPERATURE STORM COULD MUSTER. He brought the whole building's temperature down to "as close to Absolute Zero as possible".
That was long before Bobby was considered an Omega...
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:38 pm
Dark Philosopher You are misunderstanding me...the son of prof x isn't a regenerator either, but he had every molecule in his body frozen by Drake. He still was able to recover using heat, he came out unharmed and still with use of all his powers. I am saying that Storm would be much better at this because she is use to harsher weather conditions than the pyrokenesis guy. He was able to recover even though his body isn't made to withstand what Storm's is.
She cannot make it snow in Arabia because the environment's weather conditions dictates that it's not possible and she would need a good supply of moisture from an area with an ample supply to do it.
Drake's power can create cold in Arabia because he's actually screwing with the atoms lowering the temperature so they'll slow down, condense, and thus create ice.
Again there is moisture in the air but evidently Drake doesn't need much to lower temperatures and freeze molecules whereas Storm needs a great deal more to probably just create a snow cloud the side of one of Drake's ice projectiles.
I'd call that lacking on Storm's part.
Not to mention Deadpool has just given an example that Drake can still create cold temperatures in any intense heat Storm can muster...
...which limited by the environment's natural weather patterns. Drake's power isn't limited regardless where he is.
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:11 pm
Say, how come no one's mentioned Apocalypse yet?
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:02 pm
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 6:14 am
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:09 pm
Kuroudo Akabane Dark Philosopher You are misunderstanding me...the son of prof x isn't a regenerator either, but he had every molecule in his body frozen by Drake. He still was able to recover using heat, he came out unharmed and still with use of all his powers. I am saying that Storm would be much better at this because she is use to harsher weather conditions than the pyrokenesis guy. He was able to recover even though his body isn't made to withstand what Storm's is.
She cannot make it snow in Arabia because the environment's weather conditions dictates that it's not possible and she would need a good supply of moisture from an area with an ample supply to do it.
Drake's power can create cold in Arabia because he's actually screwing with the atoms lowering the temperature so they'll slow down, condense, and thus create ice.
Again there is moisture in the air but evidently Drake doesn't need much to lower temperatures and freeze molecules whereas Storm needs a great deal more to probably just create a snow cloud the side of one of Drake's ice projectiles.
I'd call that lacking on Storm's part.
Not to mention Deadpool has just given an example that Drake can still create cold temperatures in any intense heat Storm can muster...
...which limited by the environment's natural weather patterns. Drake's power isn't limited regardless where he is.His powers officially make no sense to me. Ok...so he stops molecules from moving. And he turns into something like ice...and can still move around...and move around really fast at that? I don't understand how he can do this. I mean if he can move that fast while in his ice form the amount of friction it would create...would disable him from using his ice form...wouldn't it? Yet he can sustain this form...meaning he is far more than just someone who can freeze things? This is one way lightning is made...extreme friction between frozen molecules...but he doesn't blow up or anything? Am I making any sense here? If I'm not please let me know.
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:13 pm
The Deadpool To call Legion merely a pyrokinetic is a crime... He's an IMMENSELY powerful psi with multiple personalities. While one of them is indeed mainly pyrokinetic, he's said to have ten times Charles' psionic power even without any training. down to "as close to Absolute Zero as possible". That was long before Bobby was considered an Omega... Are you saying he is a healer too?
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:25 pm
Dark Philosopher Kuroudo Akabane Dark Philosopher You are misunderstanding me...the son of prof x isn't a regenerator either, but he had every molecule in his body frozen by Drake. He still was able to recover using heat, he came out unharmed and still with use of all his powers. I am saying that Storm would be much better at this because she is use to harsher weather conditions than the pyrokenesis guy. He was able to recover even though his body isn't made to withstand what Storm's is.
She cannot make it snow in Arabia because the environment's weather conditions dictates that it's not possible and she would need a good supply of moisture from an area with an ample supply to do it.
Drake's power can create cold in Arabia because he's actually screwing with the atoms lowering the temperature so they'll slow down, condense, and thus create ice.
Again there is moisture in the air but evidently Drake doesn't need much to lower temperatures and freeze molecules whereas Storm needs a great deal more to probably just create a snow cloud the side of one of Drake's ice projectiles.
I'd call that lacking on Storm's part.
Not to mention Deadpool has just given an example that Drake can still create cold temperatures in any intense heat Storm can muster...
...which limited by the environment's natural weather patterns. Drake's power isn't limited regardless where he is.His powers officially make no sense to me. Ok...so he stops molecules from moving. And he turns into something like ice...and can still move around...and move around really fast at that? I don't understand how he can do this. I mean if he can move that fast while in his ice form the amount of friction it would create...would disable him from using his ice form...wouldn't it? Yet he can sustain this form...meaning he is far more than just someone who can freeze things? This is one way lightning is made...extreme friction between frozen molecules...but he doesn't blow up or anything? Am I making any sense here? If I'm not please let me know.
Drake is by no means a speedster.
He's more closer to a teleporter.
He can break himself down into ice's base elements which are hydrogen and oxygen, since ice is just condensed/cooled water molecules.
Now while in the this free moving molecular form needless to say he would have to be in a gaseous state.
The thing is, is that there is always water molecules/moisture in the air and he can use this to his advantage. Because it means he can solidify himself anywhere he chooses.
Heck, Drake can grow to the scale of Giant Man if he applies this principle but reconstructs his form to a huge source of water like oh say...an ocean.
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:04 am
Kuroudo Akabane Dark Philosopher Kuroudo Akabane Dark Philosopher You are misunderstanding me...the son of prof x isn't a regenerator either, but he had every molecule in his body frozen by Drake. He still was able to recover using heat, he came out unharmed and still with use of all his powers. I am saying that Storm would be much better at this because she is use to harsher weather conditions than the pyrokenesis guy. He was able to recover even though his body isn't made to withstand what Storm's is.
She cannot make it snow in Arabia because the environment's weather conditions dictates that it's not possible and she would need a good supply of moisture from an area with an ample supply to do it.
Drake's power can create cold in Arabia because he's actually screwing with the atoms lowering the temperature so they'll slow down, condense, and thus create ice.
Again there is moisture in the air but evidently Drake doesn't need much to lower temperatures and freeze molecules whereas Storm needs a great deal more to probably just create a snow cloud the side of one of Drake's ice projectiles.
I'd call that lacking on Storm's part.
Not to mention Deadpool has just given an example that Drake can still create cold temperatures in any intense heat Storm can muster...
...which limited by the environment's natural weather patterns. Drake's power isn't limited regardless where he is.His powers officially make no sense to me. Ok...so he stops molecules from moving. And he turns into something like ice...and can still move around...and move around really fast at that? I don't understand how he can do this. I mean if he can move that fast while in his ice form the amount of friction it would create...would disable him from using his ice form...wouldn't it? Yet he can sustain this form...meaning he is far more than just someone who can freeze things? This is one way lightning is made...extreme friction between frozen molecules...but he doesn't blow up or anything? Am I making any sense here? If I'm not please let me know.
Drake is by no means a speedster.
He's more closer to a teleporter.
He can break himself down into ice's base elements which are hydrogen and oxygen, since ice is just condensed/cooled water molecules.
Now while in the this free moving molecular form needless to say he would have to be in a gaseous state.
The thing is, is that there is always water molecules/moisture in the air and he can use this to his advantage. Because it means he can solidify himself anywhere he chooses.
Heck, Drake can grow to the scale of Giant Man if he applies this principle but reconstructs his form to a huge source of water like oh say...an ocean.If him being a teleporter is the case than by no means is he just someone who freezes things. Teleportaion can be looked at three ways. 1> he's actually transferring his essence from one gaseous host shell, reforming a similar shell, and then pouring his essence back into it. Or 2> he's shifting his body from one dimension to another where time moves slowly and space shifts randomly, just so that he can re-enter his original dimension in the location he was in the other dimension 3> he is bending time and space itself around his body. In any case his powers would go way beyond freezing things. If he is a teleporter his ability to absorb heat comes from something extradimensional. A dimension which is completely void of heat, and absorbs it itself. He Would be someone able to open gates to that dimension and have its heat draining ability effect whatever he is freezing. My theory...any mutant that may be considerred Omega doesn't draw power from themselves or their own body. So much power would only be in the hands of someone who is able to get access to a dimension and control its power flow. 3nodding Since Storm's powers are not extra dimensional there is no way she could beat someone with a limitless power flow.
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