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 Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:53 pm
So you don't care for someone like me to want the british out of NI because I'm an american. where do you honestly think I would rather be? where I am now? I want to do something usefull, but visas are pretty hard to get nowadays.
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:51 am
my family came from north ireland
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vampiricpyro14 Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:49 pm
deito So you don't care for someone like me to want the british out of NI because I'm an american. where do you honestly think I would rather be? where I am now? I want to do something usefull, but visas are pretty hard to get nowadays. your so ignorant. why would you rather be there? America is one of the best countries in the world. WAYYY better than britain or nI.
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:20 am
Would you want to stay in the US with Bush in the white house? Call me what you will, I stand by my reasons and don't have to explaine them to one such as yourself. Keep thinking that america is great if you want, I won't stop you. But don't for even a second think that everyone here is living the high life. You don't think that any americans should say they want to help NI, then you are the ignorant one. Some of us want to go back.
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:15 am
Well, I'm sorta on both sides of the story. Yes, I would love Ireland to become a united nation again, but it'll just cause more problems for the North. And if it gets out of hand, it'll be the Troubles all over again.
We don't want to go back there. :/
So at the minute I think the North is perfectly fine with Stormont powersharing, thanks very much. C:
As for Ian Paisley...
No comment. xDDDDD
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:03 am
the vast majority of northerners are content with living under the monarchy
those that aren't usually go to the south
why should we change the system for people from another country?
things are just fine the way they are. conflict in the north has severely depleted. and southerners can now go up their without being bombed
and all i can say for you people thinking you're irish is; get a life. you're american. you may have some smidgen of irish dna from back in the damned dark ages, but you know nothing of being irish. you have never set foot in the country. you have no idea of our culture beyond what you're told. you miss out on everything that is irish. accept who you are and stop infringing on our nationality
you can't talk about the north without knowing about irish culture. you can't talk about it without having witnessed the conflict and pain caused by people trying to preach to these people and force them into one nation or another, without having witnessed the hatred bred from such behaviour. you can't talk about the north if you haven't seen the contentment that has been brought about by people accepting what the people up there want. and you certainly can't talk about the north without knowing who ian paisley is [lmfao]
so please, mind your own business
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:18 am
vampiricpyro14 Me sladen na Scoil I for one am sided with the I.R.A. dose. The Britt's have been messing with us since the Famine of Ireland. They beat the Irish out of there homes. Plus much more. They wont go out peacefully. I say Peace after freedom. Paisley is a weirdo. Nuf said. the ira doesnt do s**t..... they laid down theyre weapons. Now if u meen the CIRA or The RIRA then theres a difference. What part of ireland are you from?
britain have been messing with ireland since long before an gorta. learn your history
firstly, we were lucky to even get the 26 counties when collins went over to britain. the only thing we had was that we were resourceful and sly enough to rise at the right time - when britain had a greater war to worry about and didn't want the bother of dealing with us any more.
secondly, the people in NI are mostly british subjects. they are the families of people sent over from england/scotland[mostly] to rule over the land. the actual irish that were their were sent to the west. it's only natural that they would hold loyalties to the crown.
thirdly, most people in NI -of both nationalities- want to stay with britain. and i don't blame them. the british government are much better organized than the irish one. they have better healthcare, education, transport, and local facilities than the republic. they're wealthier too.i don't know about where you're from, but over here majority rules. and while the majority of northerners are happy in their current situation, lets leave them. we don't want any more fighting, and we don't want to harm these people by completely uprooting them and tossing them into another system
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:48 pm
IT seriously pisses me off!
Hmm let me try and explain this because it is very odd that I would care being American who is only 1/4 Irish and never even having been to Ireland.
I live in the desert where i feel like I'm being baked 3/4 of the year with a bunch of Mexicans who teased me and called me Fantasma (Ghost in Spanish) because I'm so white. When i was young I looked very Irish, bright long curly auburn hair, blue eyes and pale freckled skin. Ever since i was really tiny (like 3 or 4) I daydreamed about Ireland (almost as much as I daydreamed i was Ariel from the little mermaid) I feel like i was born in the wrong place since i obsess over rain and dark green foliage. I crave the cold and lovew winter. I always feel like I'm being fried by the sun even with sunscreen, through clothes or windows. I wondered if i was born in the wrong place. Even though i could always simply move to Seattle which i love I've always felt like i need to be in Ireland.
So when i recently found out Ireland wasn't free (yes i know Americans are stupid its not my fault the school systems are corrupt and Ireland isn't mentioned once in world history) and to make it worse county Sligo, where my ancestors come from, Is part of the section owned by the United Kingdom I was horrified. I feel like any hope of a chance of belonging somewhere was ripped away from me!
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:16 pm
Xule][neiyu the vast majority of northerners are content with living under the monarchy
those that aren't usually go to the south
why should we change the system for people from another country?
things are just fine the way they are. conflict in the north has severely depleted. and southerners can now go up their without being bombed
and all i can say for you people thinking you're irish is; get a life. you're american. you may have some smidgen of irish dna from back in the damned dark ages, but you know nothing of being irish. you have never set foot in the country. you have no idea of our culture beyond what you're told. you miss out on everything that is irish. accept who you are and stop infringing on our nationality
you can't talk about the north without knowing about irish culture. you can't talk about it without having witnessed the conflict and pain caused by people trying to preach to these people and force them into one nation or another, without having witnessed the hatred bred from such behaviour. you can't talk about the north if you haven't seen the contentment that has been brought about by people accepting what the people up there want. and you certainly can't talk about the north without knowing who ian paisley is [lmfao]
so please, mind your own business
You're also an idiot you think someone is defined by the land they live on? Well thank you very much but I'M NOT MEXICAN!!! I may have picked up a few things about Mexican culture and the language but that's not what i am! But don't think for a minute i don't know hatred I've seen things you can't imagine and don't try and act like your tragedies are worse than any others! PLUS I live near the U.S. Mexican border my entire life full of hatred caused by two people fighting over as place which is really just money. The whole world is fighting the same fight in different forms and has been for thousands of years!
Wake up and smell the ******** coffee! There is more than one way to define Irish! There is nationality and Ethnicity. Its who I am and who my family is you can never take that away from me its in my DNA AND in my memories. If you think that Irish can't hold onto culture when crossing an ocean you have no faith in your own people! And last I checked 130 years ago wasn't the dark ages and 90 years ago most definitely wasn't! Maybe you need to go study your history!
So don't try and use that as an excuse to win an argument it's pathetic! I'm entitled to my opinion no matter where i was born and I never claimed to know more than a native to Ireland or a solution ..until now because you obviously don't know s**t so even an ignorant American would know more than you!
BTW If your just pissed about Bush join the ******** club! I didn't vote for him, try having him as YOUR president! So stop your prejudice crap!
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:29 pm
there's something seriously wrong with someone wanting so much to be part of another nationality. you're not irish. i'm sorry but that's the brutal truth. your ancestors are irish, grand, so maybe having an interest in ireland is understandable. you have one or two physical traits that can be classed as irish, right. but there's more to being irish than physical traits and DNA. far more than history books can teach. how would you react if i went over to scotland and started saying i was scottish because i happen to have a bit of scottish blood? you'd think i was cracked!
you would never get along as an irish person. if you came over here people would always know you as 'the mexican girl'; that's just cold hard fact
i think it's really unhealthy that so many people have this preoccupation with fitting into a nation they really know nothing about. and to be perfectly honest, i find it insulting. half the time i feel like i have to battle for the right to claim my nationality because there's all of these people across the water doing jumps and somersaults to prove themselves 'irish'
and fyi, sligo is NOT a part of the north, for god's sake!
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:55 pm
Let's try to keep in civil in here, everyone. In the middle of this issue, Ireland is, for the most part, hospitable to immigrants of any nationality. It is, however, sometimes offensive to claim to be Irish rather than holding a simple interest in the country and being open to learning about it. I once dreamed of living in Japan, daydreaming about how wonderful that would be. I went, and everything changed. It wasn't the same as I imagined. Fun to visit, not to live in.
Similarly, there's nothing wrong with feeling like you don't belong where you live or were born. It's a common feeling, hence the saying "the grass is greener on the other side." Many people explore emigration as a means to cure that ill feeling. Some find comfort in it, and others don't. I think exercising a healthy interest in another country is a good thing, as long as you don't claim that you are a part of it without really knowing what it's really like.
So, let's drop this back-and-forth right here. You both have valid points, and I think we can leave it at that. Agree to disagree.
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:08 pm
Deirdre Flanagan Let's try to keep in civil in here, everyone. In the middle of this issue, Ireland is, for the most part, hospitable to immigrants of any nationality. It is, however, sometimes offensive to claim to be Irish rather than holding a simple interest in the country and being open to learning about it. I once dreamed of living in Japan, daydreaming about how wonderful that would be. I went, and everything changed. It wasn't the same as I imagined. Fun to visit, not to live in. Similarly, there's nothing wrong with feeling like you don't belong where you live or were born. It's a common feeling, hence the saying "the grass is greener on the other side." Many people explore emigration as a means to cure that ill feeling. Some find comfort in it, and others don't. I think exercising a healthy interest in another country is a good thing, as long as you don't claim that you are a part of it without really knowing what it's really like. So, let's drop this back-and-forth right here. You both have valid points, and I think we can leave it at that. Agree to disagree. I agree, I was going to get involved because at first this topic seemed a bit interesting. But now I'm having second thoughts when I moved to the last page... I agree about conflicts for certain things, but when it comes to someone faking their nationality, though yes, it is alot painfull, just ignore it and let them be fake, that's what I do every day.
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 5:30 am
yes, i will cease
i dislike long drawn out conflicts
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