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I know the thread has moved on, but I've had classes and tons of Finacial Aid trouble to deal with, so I'm behind.

I guess being a female (though really a "guy" in that almost all of my friends are males, and I tend to do more guy-like things, video games, checking out chicks, drinking, etc. and don't really do chick-like things, make-up (don't even know how to put it on), checking out guys, giggling, etc.) I don't really understand this. I don't consider myself to be a coward, but I know people who are far braver than I am.

I think that people who bungee jump are brave (though, in my opinion also somewhat stupid, as I am just terrorfied of heights) and are braver than I am. I think that people who capture and tag bears are far braver than I am. I was not aware that some people feel that having an action they choose not to do being called brave is a challenge. (I really hope you don't go out and try to tag bears while bungee jumping *grin* just a joke, please don't feel that you need to prove that you are "that brave" by doing something dangerous, I would hate to think that you might harm yourself trying to live up to some challenge you feel I might have just issued, though I do believe that you are far, far more intelligent than that!)

Is there a word that would be better? I hope you somewhat understood what I was trying to say, that it is really hard to go into the Debate as a Pro-Lifer, and that I understand why so many Pro-Lifers choose not to. As I hate few things more than being unintetionally insulting, I would love to have a better term to describe this particular activity.

I noticed that same exact thing. I've been posting in the Abortion Thread all weekend and there's been one Pro-Life person in there and he's questionable. I hate being ganged up in there all the time cry

I was working on the beginning of a big long explanation of the situation. But after thinking about it a little I decided a more direct approach would be better here.

While it is true that there are an unproportionally high number of pro-aborts in ED. Their numbers alone are only part of the problem. If I had to list all of the reasons behind it, i'd be here for a really long time. So I'm only going to stick to the major issues that i've observed.

First off and worst of all, is the combination of; 1- the sheer number of pro-aborts able and willing to contest any and EVERY pro-life/anti-abortion view expressed. 2- the utter and complete disdain (borderlining even on hatred) some of them hold for any person with a view or opinion on abortion not compatible with their own. 3- the ideologically self-absorbed attitude they debate with. Now I understand that a lot of people from many different groups are like that. I see it a lot when debating with extreme religious people and almost always when debeting with the left, particularly the neo-left. Basically people who can't look/see past their own social or ideological theories and beliefs. To the extent where opposition to those views are met with arrogance, contempt, insult, scorn and sometimes even anger or hate. The idea that one couldn't conceive that someone could have an opinion different to or in opposition to their own on such issues.

Now I admit that the above could be said true of people of either side in this debate. But when added with the all out belligerent tenacity of their debate style in ED. It takes on a whole new level.

Whether by choice or by chance, they bombard anyone with a differing view, from all sides. Not giving the time of day to actually make an argument, let alone refute one. One person's views being contested by four, five or more people at once, using a plethora mix of different dubious and sometimes legitimate pro-abortion arguments. The first time you don't/can't reply to even one point in time (no matter how dubious or illogical), they start to gang up, demanding a response. While they and others simultaneously continue to both reply and mock even further.

It's not just a matter of having to debate a whole group of people at once. You also have to refute many different types of arguments at once as well. Sometimes about the same issue. All this while people continually ridicule and mock. And even though you know they aren't taking anything you say seriously anyway..

I'm not even going to get into their inventing new, highly spurious arguments based on logical and emotional fallacies, specious reasoning or anything else they could come up with that might even remotely help further their argument. Or the propensity to speak as if their views are 'fact' and everything else is the fantasies of morons. Or how they like to go off claiming a monopoly on the "facts" and "truth" with their opinions and theories... neutral

If I think of something else i'll post it later.

(NOTE! I am not talking about all pro-choicers, just a bunch of the ones in ED and other places. Who act like that.)

So much for a short post... lol
Sorry about the rant, i've been up way too long today. whee

Questionable?

While normally I would resent that you did catch me in poor form, I spent too much time subtely ridiculing choicers rather than actually debating. I also spent time setting up one of them and when they didn't take the bait I was left looking like an a**...

But if 8 Pro-Lifers were willing to brave the Debate all at once...

Let's face it, there are a lot of Pro-Choicers who enjoy debating, and lurk the thread. Any Pro-Lifer who comes in is going to get a lot of attention, because we like debating and do so at any chance. It takes a lot of (what ever word I'm supposed to use that means "guts" but doesn't make anyone feel bad for not going into the Debate because I don't blame people for not going in) to put up with the five or six Pro-Choice comments for every Pro-Life comment.

Heck, it takes a lot of patience just to keep a single conversation going in there. One gets lost in the pages of replies.

But that doesn't change the fact that if more Pro-Lifers were willing and able to lurk the Debate, any single Pro-Lifer in there wouldn't feel so singled out and attacked.

I can't tell you why Pro-Choicers tend to stick around and lurk for a while and Pro-Lifers don't. But if any other than King Seth, who is usually more willing to insult than actually debate, were willing to hang around, maybe the Debate thread would be a little less unbalanced?

Heh. Unbalanced.

*grin*

I used to debate, but after some of the things that happened to me in their happened I stopped giving a damn, I'm trying to get back into it in a more mature way, but some people just needle me.

I did not know that, though I do seem to recall something about a human yolk in biology.

*cue "The More You Know" theme*

I say we set aside a time where at least 15 people in this guild can go hang out in the debate thread for an hour or so. whee

Actually, to say that the Pro-Choice guild is more prone to a higher amount of viciousness because of their numbers is inaccurate. They have more members, but we have more posts, so, theoretically, we would be more likely to have hate threads, etc. But we don't. Ya'll do. I'm pretty sure I've linked you to the lovely thread about me before. Yes, people in here bash people in the Pro-Choice guild. But almost every time a mod tells them, "You can't do that here." It's not the same way in the Pro-Choice guild.

I was not saying, at all, that there are more angry and hateful Pro-Choicers then there are Pro-Lifers. But the Pro-Choicers are less moderated, and, in fact, the moderators are far more likely to join in on the bashing then moderators in the PLG.

I don't know about the debate thread. I would guess that it's probably hate filled all around. Yes, as you said, the percentage would of course be higher with the Pro-Lifers because there's only a small number of them, and it's more likely that someone who is willing to fight fire with fire will stay in the thread then someone like me, who is tired of the fighting and name calling.