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 Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:37 pm
Roobarb I think he's cool but I wouldn't want him to be the Master. It's a whole other persona thing from what I imagine him to be. And there's something deeply sensitive about messing with the Master... like in the TV movie. I think it's similar to blasphemy. It's God's law - the Master should have a goatee. Frankly, I hope the Master stays in the belly of the TARDIS where he's being digested slowly for a thousand years, like the Sarlek on Tatooine. John Nathan-Turner absolutely wore that character out, and he just got meaner and stupider without any real reason, and was under the thumb of the rani, who I really disliked. The character was simply destroyed in my humble opinion, because JNT, for all his efforts, never really understood the show until it was too late. Arguably, the Master had been running around in dead bodies, like animated zombies, something only hinted at in the 8th Doctor story, when the Master starts picking off pieces of his finger. It always struck me as a little odd that way back when, when he took the body of Nyssa's dead father, that he looked like a cross between his new host and Roger Delgado. Granted, it wasn't a proper regeneration because the Master can't regenerate. He can only possess a corpse, like Sutekh did in "Pyramids of Mars". Still, he had also been reduced to the appearance of a slug - and that brings something else to mind! Have you ever heard the theory thrown out that Time Lords have more in common with mollusks than humans? Mollusks have two hearts (of a sort) and can regenerate body parts. Maybe this was the true appearance of the Time Lords, and the humanoid disguise was only adopted for their convenience. It would not be the first time a life form of primative shape took a humanoid form on Doctor Who. Remember "Sunmakers"?
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:42 pm
Roobarb Why would Rose and Sarah-Jane hate each other? (I realise this may seem like a stupid question - jealousy, duh) I just think that those two are the LEAST likely to be so petty as to get jealous of each other. Not to mention the age difference just makes it silly. Pity there are no Timelords... Specially Romana. She would kick both their asses. I wonder if they'll bring her back... Yay for Anthony Stewart Head! The jealousy wasn't that much, though. Both women were in love with the Doctor. We suspected that of Sarah Jane for many years, and this episode confirmed it. I can still hear a joyous, collective "I KNEW it!" from female fans who watched in the 70's and 80's. (we Americans got it in the 80's). Rose was the first girl who really could not hide her feelings as skillfully. The age difference really doesn't matter, I suppose, since the Doctor himself is earth-centuries old, and both Sarah and Rose would be of little age difference to him.
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:10 am
Wind-Whisper Roobarb Why would Rose and Sarah-Jane hate each other? (I realise this may seem like a stupid question - jealousy, duh) I just think that those two are the LEAST likely to be so petty as to get jealous of each other. Not to mention the age difference just makes it silly. Pity there are no Timelords... Specially Romana. She would kick both their asses. I wonder if they'll bring her back... Yay for Anthony Stewart Head! The jealousy wasn't that much, though. Both women were in love with the Doctor. We suspected that of Sarah Jane for many years, and this episode confirmed it. I can still hear a joyous, collective "I KNEW it!" from female fans who watched in the 70's and 80's. (we Americans got it in the 80's). Rose was the first girl who really could not hide her feelings as skillfully. The age difference really doesn't matter, I suppose, since the Doctor himself is earth-centuries old, and both Sarah and Rose would be of little age difference to him. Yeah, after watching the episode I wasn't so bothered. I was just worried beforehand that it would be some really tacky cat-fight that would just annoy me and make the pair of them look petty and stupid. As it was it wasn't too bad. Rose did come off as a bit childish, but that fitted with her age.
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:18 am
Wind-Whisper Have you ever heard the theory thrown out that Time Lords have more in common with mollusks than humans? Mollusks have two hearts (of a sort) and can regenerate body parts. Maybe this was the true appearance of the Time Lords, and the humanoid disguise was only adopted for their convenience. It would not be the first time a life form of primative shape took a humanoid form on Doctor Who. Remember "Sunmakers"? Have you ever listened to the Zagreus 8th Doctor audio drama? (I feel like I'm always harping on about the audios but bear with me...) It brought up the issue of humans and Timelords (and other humanoid races) looking the same. I won't give too much away but it was connected to Rassilon and the Time Vortex. The theory was a bit like the 'spore' theory (I'm sure it has another name) where people believe that life on all the planets was started by spores being released somewhere in the galaxy and drifting down onto certain planets, hence why the life on these different planets develops in much the same way. I'm sure this has been mentioned on one of the other threads. But it is an explanation for the similarities, only in Zagreus it's not so much to do with spores as intelligent interferance... I'm not sure about the mollusc-Timelord comparison. I don't mind them having evolved from molluscs, but to say that they are molluscs but change their appearance to suit doesn't really work for me. I think the Master appearing as gello was nothing to do with anything but the urge to use up some CGI budget. Though the book The Eight Doctors does mention some worm that the Master ingests, so maybe it was this carrying the essence of the Master around as a gello worm rather than the Master himself.
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:45 am
Wind-Whisper Roobarb I think he's cool but I wouldn't want him to be the Master. It's a whole other persona thing from what I imagine him to be. And there's something deeply sensitive about messing with the Master... like in the TV movie. I think it's similar to blasphemy. It's God's law - the Master should have a goatee. Frankly, I hope the Master stays in the belly of the TARDIS where he's being digested slowly for a thousand years, like the Sarlek on Tatooine. John Nathan-Turner absolutely wore that character out, and he just got meaner and stupider without any real reason, and was under the thumb of the rani, who I really disliked. The character was simply destroyed in my humble opinion, because JNT, for all his efforts, never really understood the show until it was too late. Arguably, the Master had been running around in dead bodies, like animated zombies, something only hinted at in the 8th Doctor story, when the Master starts picking off pieces of his finger. It always struck me as a little odd that way back when, when he took the body of Nyssa's dead father, that he looked like a cross between his new host and Roger Delgado. Granted, it wasn't a proper regeneration because the Master can't regenerate. He can only possess a corpse, like Sutekh did in "Pyramids of Mars". Still, he had also been reduced to the appearance of a slug - and that brings something else to mind! Have you ever heard the theory thrown out that Time Lords have more in common with mollusks than humans? Mollusks have two hearts (of a sort) and can regenerate body parts. Maybe this was the true appearance of the Time Lords, and the humanoid disguise was only adopted for their convenience. It would not be the first time a life form of primative shape took a humanoid form on Doctor Who. Remember "Sunmakers"? Oh great, I have a crush on a mollusk.
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:56 am
Mollusks have feelings too.
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:39 pm
Roobarb I've never really understood the science behind what EXACTLY powers the TARDISes The Time Lords learned how to harness the power of a black hole, which enables them to travel through time and space. This is how they took the nbame of "Timelords" to themselves. Rassilon and Omega were the two astrophysicists who figured out how to do it, but in the process, Omega was sucked through and became trapped forever in an anti-matter world. He also went mad, and believed that Rassilon had betrayed him and the other TimeLords forgot him. Whatever part omega played in the discoveries and technologies, Rassilon rightly claimed the credit because he devised the Sash, which protected the wearer from the black hole, and also built the Eye of harmony, a great stasis chamber under the surface of the planet Gallifrey, and locked in with the Key (or Rod) of Rassilon. The world of Gallifrey is actually a "citadel", guarding the Eye of Harmony. And the Timelords themselves may not have originated from that planet, but settled there to protect the Black Hole - sometimes known as the Black Star or Rassilon's Star. That's why the Citadel has a "Panopticon", which means a tower from which you can see in all directions. All TARDISes are powered by the Eye of Harmony, which is how they can travel through time and space. In the 8th Doctor film, they showed a full-sized Eye of Harmony in the Cloister Room, a detail which many fans found a bit excessive.
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:29 pm
Roobarb Wind-Whisper Have you ever heard the theory thrown out that Time Lords have more in common with mollusks than humans? Mollusks have two hearts (of a sort) and can regenerate body parts. Maybe this was the true appearance of the Time Lords, and the humanoid disguise was only adopted for their convenience. It would not be the first time a life form of primative shape took a humanoid form on Doctor Who. Remember "Sunmakers"? Have you ever listened to the Zagreus 8th Doctor audio drama? (I feel like I'm always harping on about the audios but bear with me...) It brought up the issue of humans and Timelords (and other humanoid races) looking the same. I won't give too much away but it was connected to Rassilon and the Time Vortex. The theory was a bit like the 'spore' theory (I'm sure it has another name) where people believe that life on all the planets was started by spores being released somewhere in the galaxy and drifting down onto certain planets, hence why the life on these different planets develops in much the same way. I'm sure this has been mentioned on one of the other threads. But it is an explanation for the similarities, only in Zagreus it's not so much to do with spores as intelligent interferance... I'm not sure about the mollusc-Timelord comparison. I don't mind them having evolved from molluscs, but to say that they are molluscs but change their appearance to suit doesn't really work for me. I think the Master appearing as gello was nothing to do with anything but the urge to use up some CGI budget. Though the book The Eight Doctors does mention some worm that the Master ingests, so maybe it was this carrying the essence of the Master around as a gello worm rather than the Master himself. Books and radio shows are not considered canon any more than fan speculations, but even in Doctor Who it is a little hard to swallow (forgive the pun) the master swallowing a slug who escapes a box looking like the same slug. Whoever wrote that was, I believe, grasping for explanations. Had they been aware of the existing idea that Timelords might have been mollusks, they would probably have used that explanation. The script writers may have been thinking of it anyway since it has been discussed before, back in the 1980's. But then, since the sluggy-master is never adequaretly explained on TV, we are still left to make our
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:52 pm
I've always wondered about that...that and his name... but I have a theory that I might turn into a fanfic which will include the tragic end of his grandaughter Susan and a very researched reason as to what exactly happened
I've been working on it for a month....
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:18 am
I suspect that, as more series come out, the Time War will be explored in more detail. In the series two finale we heard mention of the Doctor being at "the fall of Arcadia."
Other things that stood out in my mind that he mentioned:
1) In Rose we learn that many worlds were affected by the Time War.
2) In The Unquiet Dead we learn that entire species were dispossessed of their corporeal forms.
3) In Dalek the Doctor says he didn't survive by choice.
My personal theory on the Time War is that both conventional and temporal warfare were involved, culminating in a cataclysmic event of some sort which removed most of the Time Lords and Daleks from existence. Now, one could argue about the potential for paradoxes in this - but in all of Doctor Who there have in fact been very few cases of paradoxes occuring, simply by virtue of the fact that the Doctor is a Time Lord - apparently paradoxes are not beyond the ability of the TARDIS to correct. I believe the Doctor even says as much in Father's Day.
I think for the time being we will just have to accept that the Time Lords are gone and, for now at least, beyond recall.
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:08 am
On the Time War subject, Babel's video might be of interest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWU_soUFBxAI really wish that they would cover the Time War in the new series but they seem determined to avoid it... which is strange considering they created it.
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:46 am
Trying to put mystery back into the series I suppose, but they've done it in a very annoying way. Leaving the Doctor's past a mystery is one thing, but wiping out his people & not saying how it happened is another! :X
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:16 pm
Commanderdom_Omega Crumpet Lord Commanderdom Takuha Commanderdom i've heard the doctor said that he did go back in time and try stop the daleks another way but there was no other way then destroying everything i reckon the'yll go back to the time war in a doctor who episode soon enough he didn't say that did he*begins to exam episodes*no he never said that it in the 9th seires in the dalek episode im not sure thow im most probably wrong I think you mean the father's day episode, when he says the Doctor My whole family, my whole people are dead! You think it never occured to me to just go back and save them? Or something to that effect. thats the one Yeah, that's Nine telling Rose that he wants to/tried to but he can't for one reason or another. Perhaps another time paradox? Or for the exact same thing that happened in that episode 'Father's Day' - Rose saved her father's life, ultimately altering history, the Reapers came, and only her father's death could set everything straight again. So it somewhat implies that they're meant/supposed to be dead, and changing that will alter all of history (duh!) and therefore, if he saves them from death, something will happen similar to the 'Father's Day' plotline.... Make sense?
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 12:30 pm
Eirwyn Trying to put mystery back into the series I suppose, but they've done it in a very annoying way. Leaving the Doctor's past a mystery is one thing, but wiping out his people & not saying how it happened is another! :X Oh, but that's what's interesting. See, the Time Lords aren't really dead. They just got sick of the Doctor and everything so they screwed with his head (again!) and took their planet to E-space where they are hiding until the time is right...
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:23 am
Well, it seemed like the Doctor wiped them all out at the same time as the Daleks invaded Gallifrey. (It's not as if the Time Lords would all pack up and go to Skaro.) Possibly it was something to do with the Eye of Harmony (which nearly destroyed Gallifrey before, as I recall). What I don't understand is: how did all the other Time Lords die- those who weren't on Gallifrey. You know, Susan, Professor Chronotos, K'anpo, Romana, etc. Actually, according to spin-off media, Romana returned to Gallifrey, but who knows how accurate that is. Ceribri So it somewhat implies that they're meant/supposed to be dead, and changing that will alter all of history (duh!) and therefore, if he saves them from death, something will happen similar to the 'Father's Day' plotline.... Make sense? The First Doc talked about this a bit in "The Aztecs" and "Reign of Terror." Some history is just impossible to change.
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