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 Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:43 pm
A's for effort got me through math all through middle school! And I want to eat them because they're veggies. They look delicious.
But in all seriousness, for kids I think it's a matter of taste. For adults, there's nothing to be learned, it's pretty simple (because it wasn't made for us).
The only other Christian movie I can think of is Saved right now. But you need to dig through the agenda to get to any worthwhile message. I wouldn't call it a good Christian movie. Perhaps a mildly entertaining movie.
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Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:58 pm
Suggestions have been posted... thank you all for the ones that made it to the list...
and I'm sorry Lymelady, but Dragonbait is right... things like Vaggie-tales is what I'm trying to avoid with this list, I'm looking for media appropriate at a mature adult (or semi-adult) level... not at a 10 and under level...
I have not added Saved to the list, because it sounds to me like its hiding its Christianity behind its agenda in your description... that and, you said you wouldn't call it good... maybe its another one of those, I have to watch for myself to figure out it if its good or not...
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 4:36 pm
I have made a tragic mistake, and this post is my penance for same.
The mistake was in discussing this thread with BlckRobe -- whom some of you know as my real-life partner in writing, sparring, and generally plotting the downfall of popular culture. He suggested a movie for this thread, and though I very much disagree (laughingly) with his suggestion, I have to support his reasoning. Thus, I bring it up here, at least.
Dogma. Yes, Kevin "Mostly-Silent-But-Gets-At-Least-One-Good-Line-Per-Movie-Bob" Smith's movie about the Catholic church. Yes, the one where he himself joined the protesters against the movie. Yes, Severus Snape as the Voice of God and the late George Carlin as Cardinal Glick. That one.
BlckRobe's reasoning is that, although blasphemous on a number of points, and just plain profane on more points than I care to consider (I lost track after Chris Rock showed up), the movie carries with it a simple message: "trust God and His message, not what men make of same, because men manage to screw up everything". Though religion is blasted in the movie, spirituality is respected (yes, this movie actually manages to know the difference).
Is this a Christian movie? No. Is this a movie with a good message that should be heard by every Christian? Definitely.
Your call, Kenshin.
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Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 11:38 pm
Hmm... That is a good question Dragonbait. On one hand the movie has many crazy bits in it that are not biblical whatsoever, and some that are directly opposite of what the bible says. On the other hand we all need a good laugh sometimes, and if you can't laugh at yourself then you don't have a very good sense of humor in the first place...
I'll have to pray about it maybe... see what the big guy says...
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:06 am
Well, one thing can be said for the movie; it's definitely a conversation-stopper.
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And right now, that's not exactly a good thing. Egads, did you people have heart attacks when you read my post or something? It's too quiet here.
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:15 pm
xd I think a lot of good movies have been listed. I can't think of other ones, honestly. And I haven't seen Dogma so I can't protest or agree...I was too young to see it when it came out.
But the heart attack theory is pretty good!
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:38 pm
Dogma's still available on video, of course, but I'd like to take this opportunity, if I may, to discuss a movie I do not suggest putting on the list. Kenshin, if you want to cancel this convo, feel free; I want people's opinions, but I don't think this is really worth starting a new thread.
Meadow and I bought 10,000 BC this weekend. Another movie by Roland Emmerich (Stargate, ID4, Godzilla), but I was surprised when nothing got blown up. Excellent movie, had plenty of amusing bits, good cross-section of cultures, excellent rationale behind them ... granted, bringing in dinos, mammoth, and sabretooths was pushing it, but I don't watch anything from Hollywood expecting accuracy. I'm crazy, not stupid. Okay, without giving too many spoilers (I hope), I'm going to cut to the part that has my eyebrow raised.
A dozen or so tribes and cultures assemble to bring down a being called "the almighty", a human who is worshipped as a god. The tribes' battle cry is "We must take him down!" ... or, in one of the languages, "Yahalah!"
Yahalah. stare I'm thinking Yah- from Yahweh, and -alah from Allah. Their battle cry as they try to take on a "god" comes from the names of two beings we humans worship as gods.
Is this a subtle, anti-theistic message? Conversely, is it a merger of the "god concepts" akin to Tashlan from the last Narnia book? Or am I reading too much into it?
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:31 pm
Nope, no heart attack here... sorry, been kinda busy the last couple days... And I only really want to encourage more felowship in this guild 'bait, which you can't do if no one is posting to eachother... You may be on to something there Dragonbait. I didn't watch the movie myself, my parents rented it, but it looked weird and I had other things on my mind at the time. Also I think Melehyadi said it gave her a weird feeling. Was there any commentary on the disk, or extra features that might explain it? *goes to look up the movie on wikipedia and the internets* Ok, so I just finished reading the plot summary... I couldn't help but remember the newest Indiana Jones movie while I was reading the parts about "The Almighty", and when I remember those parts of Indiana Jones I also remember how Melehyadi (my wife) was telling me about how hollywood is making demons acceptable by painting them as aliens from another planet. Theres a website with alot of proof, but I can't remember where it is right now (I believe there are several links in another thread about the existance of aliens)... It also says here some of the influences they had when writing the movie... the works of Robert E. Howard, and also Quest for Fire, and probably more importantly Fingerprints of the Gods... I don't know if these things mean anything to anyone or not.
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:21 pm
I watched 10000 BC this past Sunday. I thought it was "good" considering the type of movie it was, better than I expected. I didn't really get any "weird" feelings from it, nor did I really get anything anti-theistic about it. It's just a movie to entertain in my opinion.
Rest of you may have different opinions, I just took the movie at facevalue so to speak.
I never would have even thought of putting it on this list of movies anyway. xp
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:51 am
Oh, no, Xi; I'm not saying "put it on the list". I was just using this forum because, like I said, I didn't think the movie was important enough to warrant another thread.
I haven't read the Wiki entry, but our DVD had a grand total of two extras; an alternate ending and deleted scenes. Good stuff, but not what's needed for this conversation. No commentary, no behind-the-scenes, no nothing. On the other hand ... look at some of Emmerich's other work (I'm thinking Stargate, mostly).
I don't fully buy into Melehyadi's alien-demon theory, myself, but I will say that there's certainly evidence for it -- and I'll certainly admit I fell out of my chair giggling when I heard the "almighty's" origin stories. On a more humanistic level, there's many movies and stories where gods, demons, and the supernatural are "revealed" to be human trickery -- and even more where humans rebel against their "gods" and bring them down. That, to me, is the more insidious.
On an unrelated note ... Robert E. Howard was boring, in my opinion, and I've never heard of Fingerprints of the Gods; gotta look that one up. Quest for Fire was good. And at the beginning of this movie, Meadow thought she saw some parallels to Clan of the Cave Bear.
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:01 pm
I just got done reading the article on "Fingerprints of the Gods"... it seems to suggest that the Egyptian and South American deities were once physical beings like men... it uses the term "Godmen" to explain these supernatural beings. So it is entirely possible that Emmerich meant to put Yahweh and Allah together to add to the "Fingerprints of the God's" repertoire... its also entirely possible that Emmerich threw a bunch of letters together and decided that was that...
The inspiration from "Quest for Fire" (as I am reading the plot summary) on the other hand, sounds like it is more applicable to the situation between the hunter and his kidnapped wife. So it is rather less applicable to the current conversation...
I was talking to my wife the other night about this subject and in summary of what she said... there are two extremes from the Christian point of view on movies... one says you should only watch Christian movies, because you shouldn't be filling your head with fluff. The other perspective is that you shouldn't care, its just entertainment after all, and it will let you connect with your fellow humans and better minister to them... we both agree that a middle-ground should be found between not-watching and watching movies...
and now Melehyadi says we need to go to the library... I will finish this line of though later...
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:15 pm
With no disrespect to anyone here who holds the first viewpoint, I have to point out that it's the same attitude that allegedy led ancient Muslims to burn the Library of Alexandria. "They will either contradict the Koran, in which case they are heresy, or they will agree with it, so they are superfluous." But that's just my opinion. Okay, there's Chariot of the Gods, Gold of the Gods, Gods from Outer Space, In Search of Ancient Astronauts, a couple others, and now this one. I got some digging to do when we hit the bookstores this weekend, I see. Eh, at least it'll be something on the subject published more recently that the '70's, and probably more reality-based than Chibi Vampire. "Quest for Fire", from what I recall (I saw it, but several years ago), was more about ... well, a quest for fire, set in Cro-Magnon times (assuming you buy into evolutionary theory). Looked to me more like the girl was chasing the guy than the other way around. Again, though, just my opinion. Most likely, the whole "10,000 BC" thing is just me reading into it -- although I'll still say the business about humans taking down "gods" makes me suspicious. That's what I'll call a Hollywood conspiracy. The name ... eh, probably just me reading too much into it. Oh, and my friend (who suggested Dogma) asked me to give you a message.
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:22 pm
I am confused... what is "Oro" in response to? o_0
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:31 am
Your name. Or rather, the last half of your name.
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:16 pm
ah... now I remember... as in kenshin, the anime about the master swordsman... =p
Actually the name came from a character I played in a table top RPG... the first name Kaimana means "power of the ocean" in Hawaiian, the second part Kenshin means "sword hearted"... or at least I thought it did... now I'm looking it up and it appears either the meaning has changed, or I was mistaken... it means "modest truth"... The campaign setting was White Wolf's Exalted setting, don't know if you are familiar, but basically your character does something really awesome, and a particular deity in the setting thinks its really cool, so he gives you power, favor, etc... the only exception to the rule is the dragon blooded, who are born with their power... Kaimana, or Kai for short, came from some Islands, and used a katana, so... skimming names I came up with Kaimana Kenshin... at the end of the campaign he could even fly (which wasn't a power in any of the books... it was a power tree my GM and I came up with after playing a Naruto fighting game for far too long). When I brought him to Gaia, I combined him with a couple of my other characters I had at the time. One was a were-shark samurai named Artemis McCloud, and the other was a half-dragon who's name escapes me. (I'm used to playing in a lot of really twinked out campaigns if you cant tell) =p
Any who... I think I've gotten carried away... >_>;;
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now look who's killed the thread... >_>;;
>_<
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