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I've got a complaint...lol.

How come Superman v. Son Gokou is easily our best if not at least most popular thread? o_O?

I mean it just seems weird and I think our argument potential is far beyond just proving which of these two are better x_x.

Of course that isn't to say that I'm not having fun with this thread.

I don't mean to leave you out, Pym. Our debates did clear up some issues, however, with all due respect, I recall you - at one time - claiming that Goku only lifts 5 to 10 tons.

Now, this has obviously changed, but those arguments didn't initially help Goku's side.

@ Red Monkey: Thanks wink

The Goku Respect Thread I just made is probably one of my greatest accomplishments in this guild.

I believe that my thread is somewhere along the lines of a Goku version of Kyle's thread. Yes, his thread has more examples, but that's only due to how many feats there are. Goku simply doesn't have as many, and they aren't as incredible, but that doesn't take away from anything. Getting a hold of all those manga scans really gave my thread the boost it needed, as people can see exactly what happens on the screen, rather than having it explained to them in words.

Son Goku
Race: Saiyan
Base Form
AGE: By the end of GT Goku was over 100 years old.
Strength: In Manga Issues 20 to 21 shows Goku barely able to move with 10 ton weights on each limb. He has lifted a Bus in Base form when he and Piccolo were learning to drive. During the Frieza Saga by the time Goku reached Namek he was moving under x100 earth's gravity
Speed:Was able to move faster than the eye could see, Gohan had to be taught by Piccolo an alternate way of watching the fight using KI. (Saiyan Saga Goku vs Vegeta early in that fight). After the Frieza Saga he learns Instant Transmission Giving him the ability to achieve LIGHT SPEED and allowed him to Teleport and Dimensional Travel to any place he could detect a Ki presence.
Durability:Goku has shown the ability to survive an impact that would send him crashing through a mountain and has survived still able to fight (A multitude of instances in each of the sagas). The only time he was ever hit by a planet destroying attack (Cell Saga: Cell vs Gohan) Goku died.
Intellect: Other than uncanny ability to learn KI Techniques unusually fast Goku is actually below average in Intellect. He does have trouble with standard appliances, and has been easilly out witted. (Snake way comes to mind.)
Fighting Skills: Goku has been taught by his Grandfather (Son Gohan), Master Roshi, Korrin,Kami and King Kai. From Sparring it can be assumed he knows the Fighting styles of Piccolo, Yamcha, Tein, and Vegeta. In the Dragonball series a lot of complex manuevers he learned by seeing them done one time. (Kamehameha, Multi Image, Solar Flare are examples of Techniques he has learned by seeing them done once.)
TECHNIQUES/POWERS
- Altered Form (Oozaru): The ability to turn into a 50' tall giant monkey, in this form Goku's strength is increased by x10, his durability is also increased based off of added mass. REQUIREMENT: Must have a tail to go into this form. Unlike Vegeta Goku has no control over this form he becomes a Rampaging Monster. This was the form Goku was in when he accidently stepped on and killed his grandfather.
- Photographic Reflexes:The Ability to learn a new move by seeing it done once. During the Dragonball series when Goku meets Master Roshi Goku copies the Kamehameha after seeing it done once. Again when fighting Master Roshi in the Budokai the first time Goku copies the After Image Technique after seeing it done one time.
-Kamehameha: concentrated ki-wave attack, [also 10 times kamehameha used in SSj4 form]Roshi's was powerful enough to destroy the moon, during the Cell fight both Cell and Vegeta both claimed the kamehameha was at the level that it could destroy the planet.
- After-Image: can move fast enough to leave multiple Images of himself.
When Goku used it against Roshi he was able to create an image that looked enough like him that Roshi attacked it. He has done up to 3 or more at one time. This is accomplished at moving at speeds so fast that the eye can not follow then slowing down just enough to be seen then speeding off again.
-Taioken/Solar Flare: flare-blinding flash of light
-Energy barrier: creates a shield of ki
-Renzoku Energy Dan: machine gun ki-blast attacks
-Kaio-ken: multiplies the user's power level by a factor. Max seen is 20. Normal is 1.5. (also Super kaioken-using this ability in ssj form)
-Genki Dama/Spirit bomb: borrows the energy of surroundings to form a massive ball of energy. Works only on those not pure of heart.
-Zenkai: Gets stronger each time he takes near fatal to fatal damage.
Vegita mentioned that Saiyans become more powerful each time they come back from a fatal/near fatal injury when he was healed by Dende Vegeta was more powerful. So far Goku, and Vegeta have been the only ones to show this trait. Gohan and Trunks though they have taken near fatal injuries have not shown quite that type of power boost.
- Altered Form(Super Saiyin ):The Ability to go to Super Saiyin Form
- Altered Form(Super Saiyin Level 2 ):The Ability to go to Super Saiyin Form Level 2
- Altered Form(Super Saiyin Level 3 ):The Ability to go to Super Saiyin Form Level 3
- Altered Form(Super Saiyin Level 4 ):The Ability to go to Super Saiyin Form Level 4
-Instant Transmission: teleport to a given spot, or area with ki, also gives the user superspeed up to lightspeed.
-IT kamehameha: teleport directly in front of an opponent to unleash the attack.
- Fuzion Dance: The ability to merge into a gestalt with another of similer height and power. The two share techniques and have an increase of Power, Strength and Speed.
-Dragonfist: uses eternal dragon's power to launch a powerful punch
I wiill add Details in Green to show what each did in Canon.
More to come as I compile the list.

This shows that I was listening and when I found proof correcting my write up. Note: Strength shows up to 40 tons in Base Form, and Kamehameha shows planet busting level of power.

When was it ever mentioned Goku's instant transmission was light speed?

Not that whole weight debate thing again. I though we already settled the definition of weight and it's independence from the factor of gravity.

40 tons is 40 tons. No more, no less.

More or less.

It may weigh more on one planet and less on another but it's not gaining mass. Rather the force of gravity may make it seem lighter or heavier depending on the planet. However, it should be noted that in when adjusting to a heavier gravitational pull you will have trouble initially moving as fast as you would if were on Earth.

It's one of the key secrets to increasing your speed and strength in the DBU.

Learning to carry the same weight(s) in a heavier gravitational pull means that it will seem easier when you return to your usual gravitational pull; that of Earth's in this case.

That said gravitational pull maybe a factor, although it is dependent of weight.

Let's take 40 tons for instance.

Let's say just for example and the sake of argument that Son Gokou could throw 40 tons about 30 feet in Earth's gravity.

He goes to Kaiou Sen'nin's planet which has 10 times Earth's gravitational pull and isn't used to carrying that weight on Kai's planet.

After training there, he eventually adjusts to the point where it's just as natural as it were when he was on Earth.

When he goes back to Earth he should by theory be able to throw that same 40 tons further than he could before he left since he's been exposed to about 10 times that amount of force weighing him down.

That said I think gravity should be a factor I mean when Gokou first made it to Kai's planet he didn't really have any of the weights on except for his clothing. Remember, DBZ characters do train in weighted clothing and that alone he had to adjust to in fact he ended up on his face and could barely even move whereas on Earth it was already a simple feat. Mind you these are clothes Gokou wears pretty much 24/7.

Lo and behold when he got back to Earth he was even faster than he was prior to his fight with Raditz.

I included them mainly because many fans out there consider it canon. Most of us only include just the Manga, Mine includes GT to be fair to all of the DBZ fans.