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 Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 4:19 pm
By the way, if Goku's Keioken X4 kamehameha was "questionably" a planet buster, then Goku's keioken X20 during the frezza saga should definitly have planet busting potential. Said attack his Frezza head on at close disdance with nothing that could have possibly weakened it...and Frezza got out with just a few bruises. The spirit bomb Goku used on Frezzer shortly afterwards probably was too. It mowed down the death ball attack which Frezza latter destroys namek with easily.
BTW, I realize this nulls my previous post about no one blocking a planet buster with only their body
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:10 pm
Quote: Superman casually lifted a passenger plane that was plunging out of the sky with people on board and set it down on the ground like it was a toy. Superman also lifted a ship that was spilling oil into the sea. Now the average cruise ship today weighs more than 51,000 tons.. Well I missed this point before and I wanted to go back and say what I need to say about it. If I remember correctly, Didn't Buu(fat) Twirl around a helecopter above his head really fast with just one hand? Now given a helecopter is not nearly as heavy as a plane, it's still an interesting feat considering buu was just using it as a toy and the estimation of what he could really do with lifting and the such could be great.
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:12 pm
Koju_the_dark_knight Quote: Superman casually lifted a passenger plane that was plunging out of the sky with people on board and set it down on the ground like it was a toy. Superman also lifted a ship that was spilling oil into the sea. Now the average cruise ship today weighs more than 51,000 tons.. Well I missed this point before and I wanted to go back and say what I need to say about it. If I remember correctly, Didn't Buu(fat) Twirl around a helecopter above his head really fast with just one hand? Now given a helecopter is not nearly as heavy as a plane, it's still an interesting feat considering buu was just using it as a toy and the estimation of what he could really do with lifting and the such could be great. Um.... The plane Superman caught was over 10 times the size of a Helicopter...
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:20 pm
Enigma Master Andrew Koju_the_dark_knight Quote: Superman casually lifted a passenger plane that was plunging out of the sky with people on board and set it down on the ground like it was a toy. Superman also lifted a ship that was spilling oil into the sea. Now the average cruise ship today weighs more than 51,000 tons.. Well I missed this point before and I wanted to go back and say what I need to say about it. If I remember correctly, Didn't Buu(fat) Twirl around a helecopter above his head really fast with just one hand? Now given a helecopter is not nearly as heavy as a plane, it's still an interesting feat considering buu was just using it as a toy and the estimation of what he could really do with lifting and the such could be great. Um.... The plane Superman caught was over 10 times the size of a Helicopter... I know, But twirling a helecopter around with one hand is pretty impressive. I can't say for sure buu could catch the same plane but I'm sure Goku in ssj3 could catch it considering he could beat fat buu easy.
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:24 pm
Kamikazek-Z By the way, if Goku's Keioken X4 kamehameha was "questionably" a planet buster, then Goku's keioken X 20 during the frezza saga should definitly have planet busting potential. Said attack his Frezza head on at close disdance with nothing that could have possibly weakened it...and Frezza got out with just a few bruises. The spirit bomb Goku used on Frezzer shortly afterwards probably was too. It mowed down the death ball attack which Frezza latter destroys namek with easily. BTW, I realize this nulls my previous post about no one blocking a planet buster with only their body
Just HOW MANY times can Son Gokou power multiply his Kamehameha by the Keioken by the end of GT XD?
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:28 pm
Kuroudo Akabane Kamikazek-Z By the way, if Goku's Keioken X4 kamehameha was "questionably" a planet buster, then Goku's keioken X 20 during the frezza saga should definitly have planet busting potential. Said attack his Frezza head on at close disdance with nothing that could have possibly weakened it...and Frezza got out with just a few bruises. The spirit bomb Goku used on Frezzer shortly afterwards probably was too. It mowed down the death ball attack which Frezza latter destroys namek with easily. BTW, I realize this nulls my previous post about no one blocking a planet buster with only their body
Just HOW MANY times can Son Gokou power multiply his Kamehameha by the Keioken by the end of GT XD?That's a great question. There are only a few good reasons I can think of as to why he never used Kaioken later in the series. 1) After Super Saiyan, it's no longer effective enough to be worth it. 2) After Super Saiyan, it's too effective, and his body can't handle the power multiplication.
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:32 pm
Omnipotent Trevor Kuroudo Akabane Kamikazek-Z By the way, if Goku's Keioken X4 kamehameha was "questionably" a planet buster, then Goku's keioken X 20 during the frezza saga should definitly have planet busting potential. Said attack his Frezza head on at close disdance with nothing that could have possibly weakened it...and Frezza got out with just a few bruises. The spirit bomb Goku used on Frezzer shortly afterwards probably was too. It mowed down the death ball attack which Frezza latter destroys namek with easily. BTW, I realize this nulls my previous post about no one blocking a planet buster with only their body
Just HOW MANY times can Son Gokou power multiply his Kamehameha by the Keioken by the end of GT XD?That's a great question. There are only a few good reasons I can think of as to why he never used Kaioken later in the series. 1) After Super Saiyan, it's no longer effective enough to be worth it. 2) After Super Saiyan, it's too effective, and his body can't handle the power multiplication. I would have to say it's a little bit of both. The reason I think he started using ssj was because it took less energy and put a less strain on his body, plus it was more powerful and could last longer which kindive ties in with the energy thing.
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:40 am
Well actualy, all evidence suports that Goku should be able to use kaioken on top of SSJ, and why he doesn't is beond me. Trevor's second point seems likely. In the noncanonical undead tournament filler, Goku did in fact use a "Super keioken", BTW.
Also, I thought it was strange that Cell never used the keioken.
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:58 am
I have a guess, its only a guess.
SSJ, while giving power multiplication, gives little strain on the body.
While the kaoi ken, puts the amount of strain multiplied.
So, if goku is in base form, and uses kaoi ken x2, he can handle it with some minimal strain,
but since his power is so much greater with SSJ, his body would go through much greater strain in kaoi ken x2.
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:22 am
Kamikazek-Z By the way, if Goku's Keioken X4 kamehameha was "questionably" a planet buster, then Goku's keioken X 20 during the frezza saga should definitly have planet busting potential. Said attack his Frezza head on at close disdance with nothing that could have possibly weakened it...and Frezza got out with just a few bruises. The spirit bomb Goku used on Frezzer shortly afterwards probably was too. It mowed down the death ball attack which Frezza latter destroys namek with easily. BTW, I realize this nulls my previous post about no one blocking a planet buster with only their body Fun fact: Battle with Vegeta --> Kaioken x4 & Kamehameha PL = 49,000Battle with Frieza --> Kaioken x20 without Kamehameha PL = 6,600,000Difference of 6,551,000. In regards to the Spirit Bomb . . . it has the power to destroy a planet, but due to such an attack not having the said purpose, it never happens. It's just meant to overwhelm an enemy with power, rather than create a light-show of ki. I also have a few scans that show SSJ Goku's and Perfect Cell's ability to destroy a planet, but I'll bring those in if it becomes necessary.
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Saiyan Master Vegeta Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:27 pm
Saiyan Master Vegeta Kamikazek-Z By the way, if Goku's Keioken X4 kamehameha was "questionably" a planet buster, then Goku's keioken X 20 during the frezza saga should definitly have planet busting potential. Said attack his Frezza head on at close disdance with nothing that could have possibly weakened it...and Frezza got out with just a few bruises. The spirit bomb Goku used on Frezzer shortly afterwards probably was too. It mowed down the death ball attack which Frezza latter destroys namek with easily. BTW, I realize this nulls my previous post about no one blocking a planet buster with only their body Fun fact: Battle with Vegeta --> Kaioken x4 & Kamehameha PL = 49,000Battle with Frieza --> Kaioken x20 without Kamehameha PL = 6,600,000Difference of 6,551,000. In regards to the Spirit Bomb . . . it has the power to destroy a planet, but due to such an attack not having the said purpose, it never happens. It's just meant to overwhelm an enemy with power, rather than create a light-show of ki. I also have a few scans that show SSJ Goku's and Perfect Cell's ability to destroy a planet, but I'll bring those in if it becomes necessary. Numbers doesn't really help since the power levels were never kept track of in Dragon Ball Z after the Freiza saga.
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:30 pm
Omnipotent Trevor The `Reaper Man` Vegeta is not Cell. He's been known to brag and overestimate his own abilities and those of others just up until the point of mid-Buu Saga. From what I've noticed, Cell brags about himself and downplays his opponent at least as much as Vegeta. Not really important, I just wanted to point that out. If you actually studied the show, you would know that Vegeta is arrogant, cocky and over confident and Goku is the opposite though he did get over confident when Gohan was going to fight Cell. I really don't like it when people fail to study the characters. If you seen every episode and studied the characters more closely, you would understand them more.
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:06 am
Blaze_Inferno Saiyan Master Vegeta Kamikazek-Z By the way, if Goku's Keioken X4 kamehameha was "questionably" a planet buster, then Goku's keioken X 20 during the frezza saga should definitly have planet busting potential. Said attack his Frezza head on at close disdance with nothing that could have possibly weakened it...and Frezza got out with just a few bruises. The spirit bomb Goku used on Frezzer shortly afterwards probably was too. It mowed down the death ball attack which Frezza latter destroys namek with easily. BTW, I realize this nulls my previous post about no one blocking a planet buster with only their body Fun fact: Battle with Vegeta --> Kaioken x4 & Kamehameha PL = 49,000Battle with Frieza --> Kaioken x20 without Kamehameha PL = 6,600,000Difference of 6,551,000. In regards to the Spirit Bomb . . . it has the power to destroy a planet, but due to such an attack not having the said purpose, it never happens. It's just meant to overwhelm an enemy with power, rather than create a light-show of ki. I also have a few scans that show SSJ Goku's and Perfect Cell's ability to destroy a planet, but I'll bring those in if it becomes necessary. Numbers doesn't really help since the power levels were never kept track of in Dragon Ball Z after the Freiza saga. Those are all pre/during Freiza...
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:07 am
Blaze_Inferno Omnipotent Trevor The `Reaper Man` Vegeta is not Cell. He's been known to brag and overestimate his own abilities and those of others just up until the point of mid-Buu Saga. From what I've noticed, Cell brags about himself and downplays his opponent at least as much as Vegeta. Not really important, I just wanted to point that out. If you actually studied the show, you would know that Vegeta is arrogant, cocky and over confident and Goku is the opposite though he did get over confident when Gohan was going to fight Cell. I really don't like it when people fail to study the characters. If you seen every episode and studied the characters more closely, you would understand them more. Yes. It doesn't require any studying. Anybody whose seen a few episodes can tell you that Vegeta is more arrogant than Goku. What does this have to do with Cell? Or are you going to tell me that Cell wasn't the least bit cocky, and never bragged about himself once? "I really don't like it when people fail to read the posts. If you seen every word and read them more closely, you would understand them more."
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 7:34 pm
Again, although the show says it, thus making it cannon, you have to try and make it "non-cannon" by saying the characters "MEANT" something else...
Soooo...WHY does this only happen in DBU threads?
I believe earlier when we were discussing the Flash's statment, which would have had the same doubts as these; the idea was dismissed.
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