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 Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:38 am
It's even for me I hate and Love Sasuke at different moments like when him and Naruto fight i love him cause he gets that bad a** thing going but when he's obsessing about his brother its kinda creepy so i hate him but i love Sasuke and Naruto together and i think they do love each other i mean its obvios its all like OMG between them through the whole thing and they always hint at it and its kinda weird but oh well
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:58 pm
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:40 pm
This topic is too good! I love how everyone opinion of Sasuke and how come he is such an anti-social! blaugh
When I saw the manga of Naruto, I enjoy it until Mist Arc. I like Sasuke at first because he seems cool and calm when he fought the missing-nin. Also I didn't like Naruto's personality because it was annoying... I didn't know better.
When I heard of the Sasuke-retrivial Arc, I decide to watch the anime to understand what the heck is going on.
During the anime series/Manga. I grew to dislike Sasuke's cocky attitude and liking Naruto's confidence.
The summary of the Uchiha Massacure (I hate spelling...) didn't made me feel any remorse because I didn't understood what is going on, and why did Itachi kill his own clan.
Watching the flashback of Sasuke's past made me realize that he loved his brother and wanted to be accepted by his old man. (I don't really like Fuguku's attitude, I totally agree with Itachi's reason why he killed the clan. 3nodding )
Sasuke was completely tramuize when the older brother you loved, killed his family, his whole clan just because of some stupid reason. (It wasn't his true intention. wink )
So revenge is fine with me. Working with Orochimaru is okay with me too. I mean he did said that he would going willingly to get the power to destroy Itachi, and so he did.
The fact is, he's human. He is doing what he could possibly can to get revenge like he said.
Didn't Kakashi said that when he finish his revenge, there would be nothing for him? So Sasuke would willingly give his body to Orochimaru because there won't anything for him after he finishes it.
Meh... this is soooo troublesome to write out with spelling errors, but it is worth it if it is Sasuke's sake. I love the guy, I like guys who were good turn to bad, and he is alive isn't he? Because a normal person would kill themselves because they couldn't bare the pain enough to live any longer.
Now it would be better if Naruto turn evil... but that would destroy the morals in this anime.
Off topic; Sasuke is strong-willed. Okay?
I'm done, now time to read Fanfiction!!!
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:05 pm
Soul of Deflection .
Now it would be better if Naruto turn evil... but that would destroy the morals in this anime.
((kinda off-topic, sorry))
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:05 am
~ChaosTatsumi~ Sasuke explained in one sentence:
Sasuke-kun is a random, arrogant, male PMS-ing ninja who has little family left, save for his brother he doesn't even WANT around, and acts like an a**-hole because he has the "worst childhood ever" apparnetly.
I like Sasuke. I like the fact that he is arrogant; many people forget we need a few to balence out the personality wheel in Naruto. (like Sakura being an annoying fan-girl, we need her)
However I think he could, you know, once in a while
TALK TO PEOPLE.
Now if my entire family was blown out, save for my (pick, 1 out of 3) brother who murdered them, I would run away from brother, become timid in my actions, and randomly burst out crying during CSI. Then again I'm a girl with real PMS-ing problems...
Edit: my point being Sasuke has problems he doesn't know how to hand, which is mostly why people hate him. But he's also lovable in that exact way. 3nodding
Im glad that someone else looked at it P.O.V. wise. I would become "Anti- Social" If at that Age, my family was killed.
Yes, He could talk.
But he does. Later, he opens up to Naruto and Sakura. I mean we see he has emotion alot of the time. Naruto and Sakura bring emotions out in him.
But we have to remember...It didnt happen that long ago. Id be pretty messed up. Id be looking for revenge, and Id be a cold hearted b***h. And at certain times, random killing. But yea, PMSing sucks. Lolx.
But yay! Someone took time to look at it from a Sasuke POV.
Edit: There needs to be The Anti-social popular kid, the Crazed fan girl that Falls in love with him, and the Obnoxious one that grows crazily strong with a good outlook on life. If you look at most Anime's there is usually a set up like that. Its a Shounan Rule. Lolx.
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:56 pm
Eh.....
I don't really care for Saskue
I mean he copies Rock Lee
((Inner meh: NOBODY SHOULD COPY ROCK LEE EVER!!! scream ))
....eh...
You never saw teh inner meh... ninja
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:38 pm
A Uchiha Sasuke EssayOkay, This was posted in the Sincerely Yours: A Pro Sasuke xSakura Guild that I love dearly. It was from another one, but Its amazing. Its what Ive been trying to get across Forever now. Just Read it. Its really worth your while. Even if you hate Sasuke. Just read it. Quote: Picture this.
You’re an eight year old child. You’re in school. You do well. You’re at the head of your class, you receive a great deal of praise, but your family still doesn’t think you measure up to someone that you idolize. So you use your idol as a goal to reach, something to strive for. “I want to be like him,” you tell yourself. “I want to do that.”
Imagine this idol is strong and smart and perfect, to your eight-year-old intuition. Everyone looks up to him. You want to be like that, so you can protect all of the people that matter to you, because you think that’s what he’s doing with his strength.
And then one day, you come home to an unsettling scene. The streets are empty. The lights are out. You turn a corner, and bodies are everywhere. Bodies of people you know, people you cared about.
Now imagine that your idol, deliberately and emotionlessly, went to your house. He would be welcomed, of course, because he is trusted. Imagine that man killing your mother, your father, your friends.
Imagine coming home to that and wondering, why…?
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Uchiha Sasuke is a prodigy child. But he’s worked for it. Mastering the katon jutsu took time, and he devoted every spare moment he had to learning it, to improve, to impress. He wanted his father to look at him and smile and say “You are my son.” He wants to be claimed. He wants to feel like he belongs, in a world where excelling is expected, where genius is generic.
And in a single day, all of that is taken away. By someone that he loved and respected and looked up to. People don’t just recover from that. They bleed, silently, on the inside where no one can see it if they aren’t looking hard enough.
And then the prodigy, the boy genius, graduates and becomes a ninja. He’s flung into life or death situations, and he excels. He protects the people he wants to protect and is willing to sacrifice himself for them, though he himself doesn’t know why. “My body moved on its own,” he says. From that point on, in the eyes and hearts of three different people, he was student, rival and first crush.
Kakashi looked at Sasuke and saw himself. Saw a boy who watched his family fall apart and decay. Kakashi looked at Sasuke and saw a chance that he was never given.
Naruto looked at Sasuke and saw a jackass. A stuck-up, self-centered arrogant p***k, but one that would have died for him. Naruto looked at Sasuke and saw the first friend he ever had.
Sakura looked at Sasuke and saw a hero. A knight in shining armor who stood in front of her in a fight, who was cool and calm and collected. Sakura looked at Sasuke and saw someone she could love.
All three of them see bits and pieces of Sasuke, but only together do they see the whole of him. And that whole is a broken, fragile boy that none of them on their own can save.
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Uchiha Sasuke thinks he’s worthless.
This is a canon fact. It’s not out and out stated, but boy is it implied. He’s strong, but never enough to save his precious people; he fights, but never succeeds. He deals with his demons on his own turf in his own time and he fails.
This doesn’t make him a monster. It makes him human.
That’s the part of himself that Sasuke most wants to kill. The part that cares, the part that cries, the part that smiles. Why would any sane person want to do that, you ask? They wouldn’t. Sasuke is not sane. Not entirely. He watched his family die. He watched his brother do it all. His brother who then crammed the fact down his throat with the unforgettable words, ‘If you wish to kill me, hate me, detest me, and survive in an unsightly way. Run. Run and cling to life.’.
Sasuke wants to kill that part of himself because it’s not necessary. Because compassion isn’t going to kill Itachi, nor crying nor cracking a smile. Power is the only thing capable. Power only Sasuke can achieve. Being human means he can be hurt. Risking his life for Naruto, smiling for Sakura, that endangers them. It makes them targets. The last time Sasuke loved anyone, he watched them die and was powerless to do anything about it.
He lived through that once, and he would go through hell before he’d have it happen again. He proves this. He runs away. He knows he could stay in Konohagakure no Sato. He knows he could grow up and grow old and learn to laugh and to love.
But Sasuke lives in a world of ghosts, and they will not let him go so easily. Ghosts that were almost quiescent, ghosts like wounds almost healed. And then what happened? Itachi showed up. Itachi showed up for Naruto. Someone whom Sasuke had come to regard tentatively as a friend. The man who took everything from him was back in his life and again in the vicinity of someone Sasuke cared about, however grudgingly.
What did he do then? He panicked. Part of it was resentment (why isn’t he here for me?) part of it was terror – not for himself, but for Naruto (why is he here for him?) He ran off, recklessly, endangering himself and not caring. Looking for Itachi – looking for Naruto. He had every intention of killing the one to save the other.
It’s doubtful he expected he could beat Itachi. Maybe he thought he’d die trying, but damn, he was going to try. He formed the hand-seals for chidori, and went immediately on the offensive.
Itachi all but ignored him. And when challenged, brought him down without breaking a sweat. “Even now, the gap hasn’t closed at all…”
And then, everything that Sasuke had overcome, everything that he had fought for, his memories, his past, and those ghosts that lingered still, in the blink of an eye it was all brought back. The wounds were no longer four years old and fading. Itachi dug his claws into Sasuke’s fragile, broken mind and he undid all of the good that team seven had done for him. It was, quite bluntly, a psychological rape. It was Itachi showing just how much power he still had over his little brother. It was Itachi using that power, cruel and cold.
Sasuke is not a strong person. Somewhere in his mind, there is still a lost eight year old child, asking again and again, why did all of this have to happen? Sasuke is not a strong person, and the fragile threads he’d been building up, the tentative friendships and all those bonds were not enough to anchor him.
He ******** snapped.
Maybe if he hadn’t been so badly beaten. Maybe if Naruto had actually needed his protection. Maybe then he would have survived that encounter with his personality intact. He didn’t. It tore him apart and once again showed him how he powerless he was.
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Sasuke isn’t a hero. He isn’t a shining paragon of perfection. He’s not the sort of person you want to become, because he is flawed and because he is broken and because of all the things that made him that way. He carries himself with a sort of desperation, like someone who has dug their own grave and resigned themselves to the fact that one day they will fill it. And in many ways he has.
He walked away from his old life. It was a conscious decision, sparked by Itachi, fuelled by Orochimaru and although all of his precious people tried desperately to save them, they forgot that the theme and heart of the series Naruto is ‘teamwork’. They tried on their own. They failed the same way. Kakashi tied him to a tree and tried in his quiet, damaged way to appeal to his intelligence. Sakura appealed to his emotions. Naruto appealed to everything else.
Sasuke wants them to stop believing in him. He’s not a knight in shining armor; he’s not a very good friend. He wants to be a weapon, and they’re getting in his way. He doesn’t understand what they see in him, why they aren’t willing to let him go. He sees only what’s wrong with him. How many times he’s failed, how frequently he’s fallen down. He doesn’t realize that when he fails, they’re there to pick up the pieces, and when he falls, they’re there to get him back on his feet. He doesn’t realize that he doesn’t have to be perfect to be loved. Sasuke has tunnel vision. At the end of that tunnel is Itachi’s death. Along the way is everything he is going to have to sacrifice to get there. But Itachi is in stark color, black and white and red, and everything else is just shades of gray.
Sasuke is single-minded. He is determined. He wants power and he is willing to do anything for it. Why? So he can rest. So he can be at peace. So the ghosts in his mind can go back to their graves, so he doesn’t have to live in fear every day of his life that Itachi is still alive. He lives in the past. He’s frozen in time, still eight years old, still asking that same damn question over and over again. He desperately wants to hear an answer from Itachi’s own lips.
He’s selfish, in that regard. He’s willing to make a martyr of himself. He’s strung himself up on a cross and waiting for the end, hoping it will come in fire and fury and Itachi’s bloody death at his hands. He doesn’t want help. He needs it, and it’s possible he even knows it, but he doesn’t want it. Why? Because he’s seen what Itachi can do. He’s seen him kill, seen him inflict horrors that no one should ever have to live through. If he goes alone, he’s only risking himself. That’s what he wants. That’s the way he thinks it should be.
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Sasuke can’t save himself. This is also canon. He’s never tried, and doesn’t understand why he should. He’s not worth the effort.
Kakashi wants to save him because it would be like saying, ‘I told you so,’ to a stubborn fourteen year old boy who got his best friend killed.
Naruto wants to save him because he needs to. Because Sasuke was his first friend and his only rival. Because Sasuke is the one person he couldn't save, and if he can't save Sasuke, he might as well not be able to save anyone else, either.
Sakura wants to save him because she knows just how broken he is, how lost and young, and she desperately wants to protect that part of him, and love the rest of him.
And they’ll only ever do it together. As a team. As a family.
One day, even if it takes them the rest of their lives, they’re going to bring Sasuke home.
It will almost make you cry. That is, If you read it correctly. Or at least change a few minds.
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:53 pm
But Sasuke isn't the only person to have a tough childhood. Iruka's parents were killed and he's like the nicest guy in the village. Same thing happened to Naruto, I'm pretty sure Iruka saw his parents be killed also. When it comes down to it it was Sasuke's character, that drove him to it, not just the events. Chouji grew up being shunned and made fun of by everyone until one, and only one, person decided to be his freind. Naruto had no family, and was hated by the entire village. Sasuke didn't have to deal with that once that huge event happened. Naruto grew up in a world that hated him, he didn't go and start killing people though, he had a strong enough character to get through it. Sasuke was alone in the world because of his own actions, Naruto was alone because no one wanted him.
Sasuke was adored by every girl his age, while once again, Naruto was unloved, and unwanted. Except for Hinata, but he didn't have a clue. Sasuke, through work I'll admit, was the best of their class. While Naruto who worked just as hard as anyone else, if not harder, was still the very worst.
Sasuke's situation wasn't unique. I think Anko thought of Orochimaru as a father, he betrayed her also. Kakshi found his father dead one day, he had commited suicide. It's hard to even find someone who hasn't had a rough time in life.
Now I'm not saying that I could have gone through what he did and come out any better. I'm just saying his actions are still his responsibility, and he made more than a few bad choices.
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:19 pm
block-head But Sasuke isn't the only person to have a tough childhood. Iruka's parents were killed and he's like the nicest guy in the village. Same thing happened to Naruto, I'm pretty sure Iruka saw his parents be killed also. When it comes down to it it was Sasuke's character, that drove him to it, not just the events. Chouji grew up being shunned and made fun of by everyone until one, and only one, person decided to be his freind. Naruto had no family, and was hated by the entire village. Sasuke didn't have to deal with that once that huge event happened. Naruto grew up in a world that hated him, he didn't go and start killing people though, he had a strong enough character to get through it. Sasuke was alone in the world because of his own actions, Naruto was alone because no one wanted him. Sasuke was adored by every girl his age, while once again, Naruto was unloved, and unwanted. Except for Hinata, but he didn't have a clue. Sasuke, through work I'll admit, was the best of their class. While Naruto who worked just as hard as anyone else, if not harder, was still the very worst. Sasuke's situation wasn't unique. I think Anko thought of Orochimaru as a father, he betrayed her also. Kakshi found his father dead one day, he had commited suicide. It's hard to even find someone who hasn't had a rough time in life. Now I'm not saying that I could have gone through what he did and come out any better. I'm just saying his actions are still his responsibility, and he made more than a few bad choices.
And Naruto. Naruto hated everyone. He admited that with the fight with Gaara. He was just like Gaara there. He hated the world and only wanted to fight for himself. It wasnt in Sasuke's character before he saw his parents killed. Sasuke was sweet and loving but never a prodigy like his brother. In which people say that Sasuke is, he was said to be probably one of the most ungifted [next to Obito which was a lie] of the Uchiha's.
Naruto, Had a sad childhood, BUT he didnt have the feeling of having a parent and a good life and then BOOM the only person that you ever loved and ever wanted to be in life, killed the only thing you ever knew.
Its not saying Naruto is anything less. Naruto did have anything at all. No parents to run to. He has no memories what so ever to hold on to. But what people dont realize about Sasuke is, He was 8 years old. Can you imagine walking home when you are 8 to see your entire family brutally murdered by your brother, the same brother who you want to be just like.
And he is 13 when we first see how he is. There isnt much time to start to lose those images. Anything says, he dreams about his parents death every night. He replays the day in his mind everyday. And he wants revenge like any other human being does. Everyone wants revenge. Yes, even Naruto wanted revenge on Sasuke for him and Sakura. Until they became friends.
Anko did Indeed look up to Oro as a father, and Its not saying that she wasnt as sad as anyone. She was the same though. The reason he picked her up was she had hate, not enough for his liking in the end. But she was willing to kill herself for the same revenge that Sasuke wants against Itachi. When It comes down to it, Anko and Sasuke are a lot alike.
Chouji was shunned, until he found someone. Though you see, Sasuke did start to turn around, If it wasnt for the Sound Four, Naruto and Sakura and Kakashi probably would have made him stay. But just like any other human, If someone said "Hey I have to power for you to Kill that one person in your life" I would do that right away.
It may seem as a bad choice, but In his point of view it was the only thing he could do. Now he could have killed Naruto. But didnt. He doesnt want to be like Itachi. But like I said, When Power comes knocking on your door, and that one AMBITION in your life is to kill a certain someone then I would go running head first for that. The reason that Konoha doesnt want him dead is because they understand why he did it. I mean, he openly said thats what he was going to do was to kill Itachi. And remember, he finally had an incounter with him and even when learning Chidori it wasnt enough. The gap between their power ranges was just as wide, if not widened.
Naruto was shunned from society because what was in him. Its not that his parents died, and for a while he was the same way, hated everyone. If it wasnt for Iruka to take him in. Just like Sasuke, he got better, and there was more to him. He opened up and became best friends with Naruto, when Naruto befriened him. But Sasuke's family was distroyed not so long ago. And he was left because Itachi just wanted him to suffer. He wanted someone to avenge him. He wanted to make Sasuke that way.
And Naruto was only alone for so long. Until Iruka and the Third Hokage treated him like he was someone. Iruka stepped in as a father figure in his life. So like I said, he wasnt alone. Iruka, Kakashi, Sakura and Sasuke changed Naruto. Changed who he was and how he viewed life. He didnt sit there and watch his family get murdered before his very eyes just four years prior. Kakashi had a similar expierience but he has had time to recover and not fully. And he didnt have someone to take revenge against. His father killed himself. As for Obito, you can see, he hasnt even fully recovered from that. And how many years ago was that?
Sorry for this incredibly long rant. I respect your opinions. If you dislike him, you dislike him. But that is just my opinion on it. I dont want anyone saying that Im a closed minded person. Because I used to hate Sasuke with a distinct passion. But I have changed. Because looking at other POV helped. And Im not saying you dont because obviously you do. I was just ranting because its what I do best.
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:10 pm
Maykura_Morimoto Eh.....
I don't really care for Saskue
I mean he copies Rock Lee
((Inner meh: NOBODY SHOULD COPY ROCK LEE EVER!!! scream ))
....eh...
You never saw teh inner meh... ninja
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:13 pm
Narutard221 Maykura_Morimoto Eh.....
I don't really care for Saskue
I mean he copies Rock Lee
((Inner meh: NOBODY SHOULD COPY ROCK LEE EVER!!! scream ))
....eh...
You never saw teh inner meh... ninja
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:19 pm
Something I find funny is that People saying that Sasuke copies people (Me) are like saying that he picked it up from Kakashi Its almost like people are saying they BELONG to eachother, Im not saying they do but I still support it I support SasuSaku most of all, Oh yea and NaruHina, and most of all (Crazy supported pairing O.o) SakuHina O.o Yes I know that may be weird but its me supporting it, Im not saying you have to support it. And again I babble off and I have no idea what to write anymore T.T.
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:26 pm
Narutard221 Something I find funny is that People saying that Sasuke copies people (Me) are like saying that he picked it up from Kakashi Its almost like people are saying they BELONG to eachother, Im not saying they do but I still support it I support SasuSaku most of all, Oh yea and NaruHina, and most of all (Crazy supported pairing O.o) SakuHina O.o Yes I know that may be weird but its me supporting it, Im not saying you have to support it. And again I babble off and I have no idea what to write anymore T.T.
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:35 pm
But see what im talking about is that like before you know like during the 1st part of Naruto before the Pre-timeskip Sasuke didint really care about copying moves he just used his Sharigan for predicting moves and such but during the Chunnin Exams under Kakashi's training im guessing that Sasuke got into the Copy Ninja state at the moment but im not really sure about it -.-'
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:42 pm
Well, Not really. Sasuke copied Lee's move before he got his one on one training from Sasuke. So its not just that. But Sasuke has no one in his family to train him and his Sharingan so he needs something that can teach him how to fully use the Kekkei Genkai to its full power. So In a way, he is made for him, but right now, he is the only one that can be.
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