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 Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 2:54 pm
lymelady I love my country. I'd rather live here than anywhere, and I feel like people hate us because they want to be us. We can't raise and lower our flag sad so we keep it in a window, not outside. We just can't do it anymore. I got annoyed with people though. Popularity Patriotism. bleck. My friend got me started on being annoyed, I can blame him. Ehrm...just a tip to anyone who values his or her lives? Never call a guy in BDUs Osama Bin Laden. You won't be happy. Trust me. LMAO but even before 9-11 when i lived on my boat at the amrina i raised and lowered the hgue flag on our mast every day, with pride.
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 2:54 pm
Oh I can promise you that. This guy... He didn't have much sense, huh? sweatdrop Yeah... I'm part of a psuedo-military group called Civil Air Patrol that wears US Air Force uniforms. And my dad is the commander of a B-1 squadron. So... Yeah. I'm kinda proud of my military tradition.
I was planning on getting a anti-terror forest outfit eventually. And actually my first avatar was going to be black shirt BDU pants and boots, but they didn't have anti-terror stuff then so I used peasent pants. blaugh
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:06 pm
The guy had more to deal with from me than he did from my friend, actually, I'm vicious when I need to be.
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:10 pm
lymelady The guy had more to deal with from me than he did from my friend, actually, I'm vicious when I need to be. Oh! I thought you said you -friend- called someone in BDUs Osama. I was wondering there for a second. sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:12 pm
No! lol. That would be the day he became possessed. hasn't happened yet.
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:15 pm
Yeah... One of my coworkers is anti-military, because it "takes away too many freedoms". :eyeroll: I could do without some of the rules (Hair dyed unnatural colors... Long hair...) But over all they are good. Not to mention that if you can get a scholarship, they'll pay for your college -and- you have a job soon as college is over. Guaranteed pretty much.
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:21 pm
I know. I consider it a lot. Not infantry or anything because there's no way I'd ever be able to compete with those guys and that's just a weakness. I hate girls saying, well I should be able to do what they're doing, when they can't keep up. If you can keep up, great, if not, you're just a liability...I digress again. I don't really care about the benefits. I'm sure I'll get into college no matter what(unless I stay back a few MORE years in highschool and it becomes obvious I'm just plain stupid xd ), and I can work hard enough to earn money for it. But eh. I love this country. I wanna do my part.
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:23 pm
lymelady I know. I consider it a lot. Not infantry or anything because there's no way I'd ever be able to compete with those guys and that's just a weakness. I hate girls saying, well I should be able to do what they're doing, when they can't keep up. If you can keep up, great, if not, you're just a liability...I digress again. I don't really care about the benefits. I'm sure I'll get into college no matter what(unless I stay back a few MORE years in highschool and it becomes obvious I'm just plain stupid xd ), and I can work hard enough to earn money for it. But eh. I love this country. I wanna do my part. I'm with ya there. Right now I'm paying my way through college (Because I have a bad habit of not applying for scholarships 'til the last second. sweatdrop ) But I applied for the ROTC scholarship.
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:14 pm
My best friend, Amber is going to do the whole military school thing. She wants to join the military anyway and this way she gets through university as well.
Now my comments on the thread in a whole;
I know nothing about Kerry, so I won't talk about him.
As for the WWII comments I've seen, I'd like to point out the fact the America refused to help in WWII until after Pearl Harbour was bombed.
I'm anti-Bush. Iraq wasn't a threat of any sort, and had nothing to do with 9/11 (remember Bin-Ladan? Yeah, he's from Afghanistan.) Also Saddam had absolutely no connections with Al-Quida. (sp?) Besides the fundimentals and such, he also tried to manipulate and threaten Canada to go to war in Iraq (I'm proud to say, we didn't.) which really pissed me off.
Besides the war also this whole Gay Marriage ban crap, is going pretty far. Sure he's Christian, but there's a thing called "Seperation of church from state.". Not to mention the fact that claiming gay's have no right to marriage because it's a Christian institution is complete bull. If this was true people of other religions shouldn't have the right to marry either, now should they? Also didn't Mary and Joseph get married? That would imply that marriage was around BEFORE the rise of Christianity.
Also you do not need to be in a church or married under the eyes of God, to be legally married. Some people don't have a ceremony at all, others like myself will have a Pagan ceremony, others will have a different kind of ceremony. It's the ceremony which is sacred, not the actual law binding marriage.
I believe that every church/pastor/reverand etc. should have the right to decide whether or not they wish to provide the ceremony to gay couples. Some will some won't, that's fair. But I think gay's should have all the same rights as straight people not treated like second class citizens.
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:25 pm
toxic_lollipop My best friend, Amber is going to do the whole military school thing. She wants to join the military anyway and this way she gets through university as well.
Now my comments on the thread in a whole;
I know nothing about Kerry, so I won't talk about him.
As for the WWII comments I've seen, I'd like to point out the fact the America refused to help in WWII until after Pearl Harbour was bombed.
I'm anti-Bush. Iraq wasn't a threat of any sort, and had nothing to do with 9/11 (remember Bin-Ladan? Yeah, he's from Afghanistan.) Also Saddam had absolutely no connections with Al-Quida. (sp?) Besides the fundimentals and such, he also tried to manipulate and threaten Canada to go to war in Iraq (I'm proud to say, we didn't.) which really pissed me off.
Besides the war also this whole Gay Marriage ban crap, is going pretty far. Sure he's Christian, but there's a thing called "Seperation of church from state.". Not to mention the fact that claiming gay's have no right to marriage because it's a Christian institution is complete bull. If this was true people of other religions shouldn't have the right to marry either, now should they? Also didn't Mary and Joseph get married? That would imply that marriage was around BEFORE the rise of Christianity.
Also you do not need to be in a church or married under the eyes of God, to be legally married. Some people don't have a ceremony at all, others like myself will have a Pagan ceremony, others will have a different kind of ceremony. It's the ceremony which is sacred, not the actual law binding marriage.
I believe that every church/pastor/reverand etc. should have the right to decide whether or not they wish to provide the ceremony to gay couples. Some will some won't, that's fair. But I think gay's should have all the same rights as straight people not treated like second class citizens. Amazingly enough, My mom was all like, No, Gay people shouldn't get married, it should be illegal, blah blah blah, and FINALLY after thousands of talks I found out that she meant in the church. She was like, oh....well, I have no problem with it in the state. stressed Think there might be a communications problem between her crowd and other crowds.... Nah, even after Pearl Harbor people didn't want to go. In America I mean, there were demonstrations against it right up to the end. I only know this because most of my living relatives were too old to actually go fight in the war...yeah, that's how long my family tends to live blaugh But yes, people didn't want to believe that the holocaust was happening...but it was. Obviously, we've got enough proof of that today. This is getting into an area that's not within the topic of this guild, but there's so much terrorism in Iraq. Well, I dunno about now. Middle east has always been a gun powder sorta place. I'm too stupid to follow and know exactly why we're focused so much in Iraq, but I do remember it was a good reason. At least I remember thinking it was a good reason. The scariest thing about terrorism today is the technology. And the scariest thing about Al Queda (sorry, can't spell) is the whole, split into cells, thing. I mean, if it was just one big group all taking the same orders, it'd be not as scary, but it's all divided and spread out all over the place and eh, kinda scares me.
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:40 pm
There's lots of terrorism everywhere, not just Iraq. There are no connections to Saddam and Al Queda. (you spelled it right, I do believe.) By fighting the war in Iraq it did nothing to solve your Al Queda problem and thus hasn't eliminated the people responsible for 9/11.
The only other reason (besides oil and all that fun stuff, which I really don't know enough about to say anything.) I can see for going in was because Bush didn't like Saddam. I don't like him either, this doesn't mean that I feel that I have the right to impose my cultural beliefs, through force into another culture.
I had something else to say but I'm falling asleep as I write it. sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:10 pm
Lol yep. I'm way too stupid to follow this anyway, so you're probably right. But...have to start somewhere. If the world communicated through telepathy, there would be no wars and no abortions because the little babies inside would be thinking and well, once it communicates with you, kinda gets hard to pass it off as not being alive. Then again, everyone would know everything every person around them was thinking and it'd be kinda embarrassing. Douglas Adams had a good fix for that, just keep talking and your brain stops thinking blaugh
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 12:15 am
gonk I had such a long post, and then it went *poof* becuase I hit back! I am very Pro-Bush Pro-War in Iraq. I don't believe that the war in Iraq is all about connections between Al Queda and Iraq. But that doesn't have anything to do with it; At the same time, we were and are still searching for Osama and his crew. This is totally unrelated. Second, it's not just about disliking Saddam, and it's not just about WMDs. Al Queda and Iraq are not directly linked, though I believe that Iraq aided Al Queda because they don't like us, and knew that Al Queda didn't like us either and was crazy enough to attack us. Just because we don't know about it for sure doesn't mean it didn't happen. Also, even if they aren't linked, what's it matter? That's not one of the big reasons for the war. And we are at the same time combing the caves of Afghanistan, and Pakistan looking for Osama and his crew. Second, it's not about disliking Saddam or even hating him. It's about Saddam's sick regime, where he could kill someone because he didn't like the looks he was getting, and because he would too. We have found massive graves over there of people Saddam simply didn't like so he killed them. As Americans we believe that Declaration of Independence that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness This isn't just for Americans. It's for everyone. We believe that -all- men (and women) have these unalienable rights, even if they don't believe they have them. When you see the bully around, and you are big and strong, and you have strong morals, eventually you will have had enough of him kicking around the littler kids. 'nother post to follow
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 12:16 am
It's not about the WMDs being present, though in great part it's about the possibility of WMDs being developed very soon. Around the beginning of the war, it was predicted that Iraq could have WMDs by November of this year. We didn't want to wait for Saddam to have the WMDs; That would be pointless. If we attacked then, he would just launch nukes, chemicals, and biological WMDs at us. That's why it's a pre-emptive strike to go in now.
I made an analagy a while ago that I think fits it pretty well: You are a big burly guy, work out all the time, fourth degree blackbelt in Karate. Some guy comes up behind you with what appears to be a knife, and you see his shadow. What looks like a gun but may be something else like a cell phone is at his side. What do you do? The two things that make any sense to me would be to run and hide, or turn around and fight-Looks like you can beat this guy. So why does everyone seem to think that we should either just ignore him, or turn around and go, "Oh, common, you don't want to be using that. Put the nice knife down."?
EDIT: Sorry for the rambling... I feel almost as strongly, if not as strong, about the war in Iraq and Bush as I do abortion.
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 12:26 am
I.Am It's not about the WMDs being present, though in great part it's about the possibility of WMDs being developed very soon. Around the beginning of the war, it was predicted that Iraq could have WMDs by November of this year. We didn't want to wait for Saddam to have the WMDs; That would be pointless. If we attacked then, he would just launch nukes, chemicals, and biological WMDs at us. That's why it's a pre-emptive strike to go in now. I made an analagy a while ago that I think fits it pretty well: You are a big burly guy, work out all the time, fourth degree blackbelt in Karate. Some guy comes up behind you with what appears to be a knife, and you see his shadow. What looks like a gun but may be something else like a cell phone is at his side. What do you do? The two things that make any sense to me would be to run and hide, or turn around and fight-Looks like you can beat this guy. So why does everyone seem to think that we should either just ignore him, or turn around and go, "Oh, common, you don't want to be using that. Put the nice knife down."? Because obviously if you ignore the problem, it goes away, if you let them know they've got a knife, they'll say, Oops, didn't realize that, and if they get WMDs and blow us all up, we'll be dead and won't care. rolleyes I'm being sarcastic. In case it wasn't obvious. I was hoping you'd post because you know what you're talking about and I don't know what I"m talking about anymore..... Eh, of course Iraq had to be taken care of. I keep thinking that. I just dunno how to explain. Mm, course, everyone's just gonna say there's terrorism going on in other parts of the world too and why start in Iraq....but I guess you need to start somewhere because otherwise you'll never start. Wow, now I"m talking to myself, sorry, I'll shut up.
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