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| Do you think an all out fight between SSJ4 Goku and SSJ4 Vegeta would f***ing awesome? (This would mean that they maybe have an empty galaxy to fight in. They wouldn't hold anything back) |
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 Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:23 pm
SSJ4 Vegeta cannot beat SSJ4 Goku. That's a fact.
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Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:33 pm
ShadowBoyKai SSJ4 Vegeta cannot beat SSJ4 Goku. That's a fact. Hey at least we can agree on something. After all Goku can use Solar Flare, Kaio-ken, and the After Image Techniques. Vegeta would end up using more energy than Goku faster than Goku. Even though they have the same energy level when they are both SSJ4, Goku can multiply his energy level, create illusions, and blind Vegeta.
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Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:38 am
yeah lol. But IMO, Goku is stronger power-wise as well.
Goku was fighting Yin Xi Long, and took major beatings from him. Vegeta at SSJ4 was equal to that beaten up Goku.
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Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 9:07 pm
SS6 Kor Sir Frogger grandmastersexay 1 Vegeta, because Vegeta wil never give up until he beats goku or Itachi with his powerful Genjutsu, but Goku could raise his power to break free but Goku can search his emotion and he will know what Itachi may do. Finally, someone who agrees with me that Vegeta can beat Goku! SSJ4 Goku vs. SSJ4 Vegeta does actually happen and Vegeta kicks Goku's a**. So that is true. But there's no way Itachi could beat Goku. Goku could kill Itachi with 10x Kamehameha. Then, if he fuses with Vegeta it'll be no contest. That fight between SSJ4 Vegeta and SSJ4 Goku never happened in any of the official series you know that right. It may have happened in a video game or in AF but those don't officially count. Yes it did, it was an actual episode which ended up being discarded.
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Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 9:25 pm
Sir Frogger SS6 Kor Sir Frogger grandmastersexay 1 Vegeta, because Vegeta wil never give up until he beats goku or Itachi with his powerful Genjutsu, but Goku could raise his power to break free but Goku can search his emotion and he will know what Itachi may do. Finally, someone who agrees with me that Vegeta can beat Goku! SSJ4 Goku vs. SSJ4 Vegeta does actually happen and Vegeta kicks Goku's a**. So that is true. But there's no way Itachi could beat Goku. Goku could kill Itachi with 10x Kamehameha. Then, if he fuses with Vegeta it'll be no contest. That fight between SSJ4 Vegeta and SSJ4 Goku never happened in any of the official series you know that right. It may have happened in a video game or in AF but those don't officially count. Yes it did, it was an actual episode which ended up being discarded. Well if it was never officially shown on tv or in the series it still doesn't count. Episodes that end up being taken out technically never happen.
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:50 am
Broly could also beat him if he was either a LSSJ3 or LSSJ4.
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:15 pm
LSSJ6 Kor ShadowBoyKai SSJ4 Vegeta cannot beat SSJ4 Goku. That's a fact. Hey at least we can agree on something. After all Goku can use Solar Flare, Kaio-ken, and the After Image Techniques. Vegeta would end up using more energy than Goku faster than Goku. Even though they have the same energy level when they are both SSJ4, Goku can multiply his energy level, create illusions, and blind Vegeta.
By the time GT rolls around, don't you think Vegeta has thought long and hard about how Goku fights? Vegeta may have some temper problems, but he usually doesn't make the same mistake twice. He trains nonstop in that gravity for hours on end perfecting his technique. I'm sure he even dreams of how he could defeat Goku. Why I'm sure he went over the whole thing over and over again in his mind.
Goku isn't near as obsessive about such things and that could prove to be his downfall. He'll go into a fight just as he always does while Vegeta will have thought of some fancy new moves to impress him with. Goku will continue to use his same ol' Kamehameha, Vegeta will see this coming and other super familiar moves and practically foresee Goku's next move
I'm not saying Goku is an idiot, he's quite smart when it comes to fights, but the fact is, Vegeta will be able to read him almost perfectly, surprise him with things he hasn't done before, and ultimately defeat him.
The only reason Vegeta would ever lose to Goku is because Goku is stronger power-wise. Now that that obstacle is out of the way, it's easy (easier than usual, at least) pickings for Vegeta.
Goku will not think to use Kaio-ken, he hasn't used that move in DECADES, let's be real. If he was really trying to do that move again, he would have done so on Omega Shenron a long time ago. He grew out of that move--it's obsolete. He never uses it again after he turns Super Saiyan for the first time.
Solar Flare? Another punk, obsolete move. Goku won't even think about using it and if he did, he'd probably consider it cheating. Hello, he's fighting Vegeta, someone he considers to be his friend. He's not going to use lame parlor tricks to defeat Vegeta.
After Image. No, just no. Vegeta won't be fooled by that, he's already warming up to Goku's Instant Transmission.
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Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:54 am
now just to clear it all up goku is unbeatable except for the few exceptions of those other ppl meaning the death note guys ect. ect.but I still have issues with the death note needing goku's name and it states in death note that it has to be his real name just because a person like goku was called goku his entire life does not mean that's is real name for instance you get hit in the head and you forget who you are and someone just called you 'steve' then you would think that is your name then if a deathnote guy came up to you and asked you your name and you said 'steve smith' <--- again just an example...and the deathnote writer wrote it down it would not kill him...hench I don't see goku dieing from a death note writer...sorry just had to put it out there smile xp
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Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:35 pm
Kyprioth07 LSSJ6 Kor ShadowBoyKai SSJ4 Vegeta cannot beat SSJ4 Goku. That's a fact. Hey at least we can agree on something. After all Goku can use Solar Flare, Kaio-ken, and the After Image Techniques. Vegeta would end up using more energy than Goku faster than Goku. Even though they have the same energy level when they are both SSJ4, Goku can multiply his energy level, create illusions, and blind Vegeta.
By the time GT rolls around, don't you think Vegeta has thought long and hard about how Goku fights? Vegeta may have some temper problems, but he usually doesn't make the same mistake twice. He trains nonstop in that gravity for hours on end perfecting his technique. I'm sure he even dreams of how he could defeat Goku. Why I'm sure he went over the whole thing over and over again in his mind.
Goku isn't near as obsessive about such things and that could prove to be his downfall. He'll go into a fight just as he always does while Vegeta will have thought of some fancy new moves to impress him with. Goku will continue to use his same ol' Kamehameha, Vegeta will see this coming and other super familiar moves and practically foresee Goku's next move
I'm not saying Goku is an idiot, he's quite smart when it comes to fights, but the fact is, Vegeta will be able to read him almost perfectly, surprise him with things he hasn't done before, and ultimately defeat him.
The only reason Vegeta would ever lose to Goku is because Goku is stronger power-wise. Now that that obstacle is out of the way, it's easy (easier than usual, at least) pickings for Vegeta.
Goku will not think to use Kaio-ken, he hasn't used that move in DECADES, let's be real. If he was really trying to do that move again, he would have done so on Omega Shenron a long time ago. He grew out of that move--it's obsolete. He never uses it again after he turns Super Saiyan for the first time.
Solar Flare? Another punk, obsolete move. Goku won't even think about using it and if he did, he'd probably consider it cheating. Hello, he's fighting Vegeta, someone he considers to be his friend. He's not going to use lame parlor tricks to defeat Vegeta.
After Image. No, just no. Vegeta won't be fooled by that, he's already warming up to Goku's Instant Transmission.I still think Goku would win. Your wrong about Solar Flare and your wrong about Kaio-Ken. Just cuz Goku and Vegeta are friends it doesn't mean that Goku might not use these moves. He after all has used moves he has previously stopped using like when he fought Kid Buu and defeated him with Spirit Bomb. I'm sure in a fight with Vegeta that Goku would need to revive some of his old moves. I doubt Goku hasn't thought of any new moves. After all he trained with Uub for a full year. He probably came up with some new tricks during that training period.
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Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:47 pm
LSSJ6 Kor Kyprioth07 LSSJ6 Kor ShadowBoyKai SSJ4 Vegeta cannot beat SSJ4 Goku. That's a fact. Hey at least we can agree on something. After all Goku can use Solar Flare, Kaio-ken, and the After Image Techniques. Vegeta would end up using more energy than Goku faster than Goku. Even though they have the same energy level when they are both SSJ4, Goku can multiply his energy level, create illusions, and blind Vegeta.
By the time GT rolls around, don't you think Vegeta has thought long and hard about how Goku fights? Vegeta may have some temper problems, but he usually doesn't make the same mistake twice. He trains nonstop in that gravity for hours on end perfecting his technique. I'm sure he even dreams of how he could defeat Goku. Why I'm sure he went over the whole thing over and over again in his mind.
Goku isn't near as obsessive about such things and that could prove to be his downfall. He'll go into a fight just as he always does while Vegeta will have thought of some fancy new moves to impress him with. Goku will continue to use his same ol' Kamehameha, Vegeta will see this coming and other super familiar moves and practically foresee Goku's next move
I'm not saying Goku is an idiot, he's quite smart when it comes to fights, but the fact is, Vegeta will be able to read him almost perfectly, surprise him with things he hasn't done before, and ultimately defeat him.
The only reason Vegeta would ever lose to Goku is because Goku is stronger power-wise. Now that that obstacle is out of the way, it's easy (easier than usual, at least) pickings for Vegeta.
Goku will not think to use Kaio-ken, he hasn't used that move in DECADES, let's be real. If he was really trying to do that move again, he would have done so on Omega Shenron a long time ago. He grew out of that move--it's obsolete. He never uses it again after he turns Super Saiyan for the first time.
Solar Flare? Another punk, obsolete move. Goku won't even think about using it and if he did, he'd probably consider it cheating. Hello, he's fighting Vegeta, someone he considers to be his friend. He's not going to use lame parlor tricks to defeat Vegeta.
After Image. No, just no. Vegeta won't be fooled by that, he's already warming up to Goku's Instant Transmission.I still think Goku would win. Your wrong about Solar Flare and your wrong about Kaio-Ken. Just cuz Goku and Vegeta are friends it doesn't mean that Goku might not use these moves. He after all has used moves he has previously stopped using like when he fought Kid Buu and defeated him with Spirit Bomb. I'm sure in a fight with Vegeta that Goku would need to revive some of his old moves. I doubt Goku hasn't thought of any new moves. After all he trained with Uub for a full year. He probably came up with some new tricks during that training period.
And if you recall, Goku never once thought of using the Spirit Bomb against Kid Buu, it was Vegeta who brought it to his attention in the first place. Talk about short memory. This also proves my point that Vegeta definitely spends more time thinking about how to defeat Goku.
Goku coming up with new tricks? Doubt it. Unless there's someone holding his hand (i.e. Master Roshi, King Kai), Goku just isn't going to do anything new. He learns from others. The only thing he was doing with Uub was training him. He trained with Gohan as well and he still hadn't come up with anything different besides powering up...better>.>. We look at Vegeta and in that same amount of time he develops his "Final Flash" move.
Kaio-Ken, btw, didn't work against Vegeta the first time...it probably won't work now either. In fact, it'll hurt Goku more than anything else. If Goku's smart, he won't even go down that road (which he is, so he's not going to waste his time).
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Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:52 pm
Tech_Ryu now just to clear it all up goku is unbeatable except for the few exceptions of those other ppl meaning the death note guys ect. ect.but I still have issues with the death note needing goku's name and it states in death note that it has to be his real name just because a person like goku was called goku his entire life does not mean that's is real name for instance you get hit in the head and you forget who you are and someone just called you 'steve' then you would think that is your name then if a deathnote guy came up to you and asked you your name and you said 'steve smith' <--- again just an example...and the deathnote writer wrote it down it would not kill him...hench I don't see goku dieing from a death note writer...sorry just had to put it out there smile xp
It's kind of like being named by your real parents, having your parents destroyed, and resulting in you never learning your real name. It's the perfect situation that could stop a seemingly unstoppable force such as the Death Note.
Now if Vegeta was anywhere near...he might ruin things, but besides that, Death Note writer person will be utterly dumbfounded.
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:15 am
Kyprioth07 Tech_Ryu now just to clear it all up goku is unbeatable except for the few exceptions of those other ppl meaning the death note guys ect. ect.but I still have issues with the death note needing goku's name and it states in death note that it has to be his real name just because a person like goku was called goku his entire life does not mean that's is real name for instance you get hit in the head and you forget who you are and someone just called you 'steve' then you would think that is your name then if a deathnote guy came up to you and asked you your name and you said 'steve smith' <--- again just an example...and the deathnote writer wrote it down it would not kill him...hench I don't see goku dieing from a death note writer...sorry just had to put it out there smile xp
It's kind of like being named by your real parents, having your parents destroyed, and resulting in you never learning your real name. It's the perfect situation that could stop a seemingly unstoppable force such as the Death Note.
Now if Vegeta was anywhere near...he might ruin things, but besides that, Death Note writer person will be utterly dumbfounded.Even if what you say is true if the DN user had Shinigami eyes then he/she could write down Kakarot even if Vegeta wasn't around. This would be especially true if it was a Shinigami like Ryuk that fought against Goku.
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:33 am
Kyprioth07 LSSJ6 Kor Kyprioth07 LSSJ6 Kor ShadowBoyKai SSJ4 Vegeta cannot beat SSJ4 Goku. That's a fact. Hey at least we can agree on something. After all Goku can use Solar Flare, Kaio-ken, and the After Image Techniques. Vegeta would end up using more energy than Goku faster than Goku. Even though they have the same energy level when they are both SSJ4, Goku can multiply his energy level, create illusions, and blind Vegeta.
By the time GT rolls around, don't you think Vegeta has thought long and hard about how Goku fights? Vegeta may have some temper problems, but he usually doesn't make the same mistake twice. He trains nonstop in that gravity for hours on end perfecting his technique. I'm sure he even dreams of how he could defeat Goku. Why I'm sure he went over the whole thing over and over again in his mind.
Goku isn't near as obsessive about such things and that could prove to be his downfall. He'll go into a fight just as he always does while Vegeta will have thought of some fancy new moves to impress him with. Goku will continue to use his same ol' Kamehameha, Vegeta will see this coming and other super familiar moves and practically foresee Goku's next move
I'm not saying Goku is an idiot, he's quite smart when it comes to fights, but the fact is, Vegeta will be able to read him almost perfectly, surprise him with things he hasn't done before, and ultimately defeat him.
The only reason Vegeta would ever lose to Goku is because Goku is stronger power-wise. Now that that obstacle is out of the way, it's easy (easier than usual, at least) pickings for Vegeta.
Goku will not think to use Kaio-ken, he hasn't used that move in DECADES, let's be real. If he was really trying to do that move again, he would have done so on Omega Shenron a long time ago. He grew out of that move--it's obsolete. He never uses it again after he turns Super Saiyan for the first time.
Solar Flare? Another punk, obsolete move. Goku won't even think about using it and if he did, he'd probably consider it cheating. Hello, he's fighting Vegeta, someone he considers to be his friend. He's not going to use lame parlor tricks to defeat Vegeta.
After Image. No, just no. Vegeta won't be fooled by that, he's already warming up to Goku's Instant Transmission.I still think Goku would win. Your wrong about Solar Flare and your wrong about Kaio-Ken. Just cuz Goku and Vegeta are friends it doesn't mean that Goku might not use these moves. He after all has used moves he has previously stopped using like when he fought Kid Buu and defeated him with Spirit Bomb. I'm sure in a fight with Vegeta that Goku would need to revive some of his old moves. I doubt Goku hasn't thought of any new moves. After all he trained with Uub for a full year. He probably came up with some new tricks during that training period.
And if you recall, Goku never once thought of using the Spirit Bomb against Kid Buu, it was Vegeta who brought it to his attention in the first place. Talk about short memory. This also proves my point that Vegeta definitely spends more time thinking about how to defeat Goku.
Goku coming up with new tricks? Doubt it. Unless there's someone holding his hand (i.e. Master Roshi, King Kai), Goku just isn't going to do anything new. He learns from others. The only thing he was doing with Uub was training him. He trained with Gohan as well and he still hadn't come up with anything different besides powering up...better>.>. We look at Vegeta and in that same amount of time he develops his "Final Flash" move.
Kaio-Ken, btw, didn't work against Vegeta the first time...it probably won't work now either. In fact, it'll hurt Goku more than anything else. If Goku's smart, he won't even go down that road (which he is, so he's not going to waste his time).Your wrong if you pay attn to what I said I didn't say anything about Goku coming up w/ the idea to use Spirit Bomb against Kid Buu. Also Goku is naturally a better fighter than Vegeta cuz he can think things up while fighting unlike Vegeta who strategizes b4 hand and is naturally a better as he goes fighter. Also Goku's Kaio-ken didn't work on Vegeta b4 cuz Vegeta was like 3x stronger and Goku wasn't quite as skilled with using anything past 2x Kaio-ken. If they were to fight as SSJ4s then their powerlevels would be either equal or probably Goku would be stronger, so the Kaio-ken would be much more effective. I think Goku would be stronger cuz Omega Shenron almost killed Goku so his powerlevel would increase tremendously after that fight. On the other hand Vegeta wasn't nearly killed in that fight so his powerlevel wouldn't be as high. Here is what I think their SSJ4 Powerlevels would be after the fight with Omega Shenron: Goku: 6 billion Vegeta: 3 billion So take these approx numbers and do the math to see who would win. Also calculate in the fact that Kaio-ken would be more effective (if used) and Goku is naturally a better fighter because he thinks as he goes better than Vegeta. Vegeta is more of the type to plan the fight in advance and hope it goes his way kind of fighter. He doesn't do to well when things don't go his way (Ex: Remember his fight with Perfect Cell). PLEASE NO MORE DISCUSSION OF THIS TOPIC IN THIS FORUM FROM Kyprioth07 OKAY. IF Kyprioth07 DESIRES TO CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION THEN YOU CAN FINISH IT THRU PMing ME OKAY.
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:48 am
Tech_Ryu now just to clear it all up goku is unbeatable except for the few exceptions of those other ppl meaning the death note guys ect. ect.but I still have issues with the death note needing goku's name and it states in death note that it has to be his real name just because a person like goku was called goku his entire life does not mean that's is real name for instance you get hit in the head and you forget who you are and someone just called you 'steve' then you would think that is your name then if a deathnote guy came up to you and asked you your name and you said 'steve smith' <--- again just an example...and the deathnote writer wrote it down it would not kill him...hench I don't see goku dieing from a death note writer...sorry just had to put it out there smile xp They could use Shinigami eyes or hear Vegeta say Goku's real name.
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:08 am
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