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 Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:05 am
Jake Kelly v2 afromma Jake Kelly v2 I think that the comparison is wrong. Maybe it should be Warrior vs Fighter. The Martial Arts are just different ways of approaching combat. Different styles and teachers offering different things to a student. But what is a fighter? To me a fighter is someone who enjoys combat for the sake of combat. They use combat as a way to show superiority over others. Venues like the UFC showcase this. The men who fight in the UFC are fighting for money, fame and glory. A fighter wants to hurt people. Enjoys it. So what is a warrior? To me a warrior is a man or woman who will enter combat, but not for money, fame or glory. A warrior enters combat in order to protect something or someone. The man who tries to stop a mugging or a rape, the soldiers who defends not just his country but others as well. A warrior is not someone who seeks the spotlight. They enter combat because they have to.. Not because they want to. But because something inside them screams out to them that what they are seeing has to be stopped. If it can be done without violence then alls the better. If we did it for the money ... well we fighters must have a get rich slow plan ... MMA dosen't have much money in it ... money is better in boxing ... I do it for the competition aspect ... how do my skills compare to that guy's skill ... And another thing ... do I like hurting people ... no ... I'm a friendly person once you get to know me ... and even when a knockout or submission happens I make sure that my opponent is okay ... get you facts straight ... Look up Anderson Silva or Lyoto Machida ... I'm sure you're opinion will change ... So the 6 figure contracts handed out at the end of he Ultimate Fighter isn't a lot of money? Competitions are the same really. You may not be fighting for money but the glory part is still there. You are fighting just to see who is better. In my mind.. That makes you a fighter, not a warrior. Also, Machida and Silva are still paid for their fights. And I'm sure they make a fair bit on endorsements. That's the world we live in ... everyone expects an reward ... and in reference ... they don't hand out that six figure contract ... that's earned ... fighters leave everything from heart, mind, spirit, and body in that arena ... if the come off ... back to the drawing board ... but in realism ... a lot of fighters will never see six figures ... so what is it that drives us to keep competing ... keep training ... keep getting injuries that we may not be able to pay the medical bill ... tell me that ... tell me why I keep doing what I do ... why my training partner do the thing they do ... cuz it sure ain't for the money ... sure ain't for the glory ... and sure ain't for the fame ... so tell me ... what makes me any different than "your" definition of a warrior ... cuz your definition is a bit flawed ... soldiers are paid and ordered to go to war ... and sometimes do the most dispacable things imaginable ... so what is a warrior ... For me a warrior is one that leaves everything that makes their being: soul, heart, body, mind ... they leave those things in whatever arena they are in ... whether it be a ring or the battlefield ... or even in every day life ...
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:10 am
Another thing ... every human being on this planet is a fighter ... everyday life is a struggle ... a battle ... we fight everything from disease ... weather ... work ... the personalities we deal with ... we fight against it all ... hell waking up everyday is a battle on it's own ... so to say you're not a fighter is bullshit ... if you disagree with me ... then by all means ... you might as well put a gun to your head and pull the trigger (I am in no way suggesting anything) ... cuz this is life ... when something gets hard ... you have that choice ... live or die ... so tell me ... what's your choice ...
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 11:36 pm
Jake Kelly v2 afromma Jake Kelly v2 I think that the comparison is wrong. Maybe it should be Warrior vs Fighter. The Martial Arts are just different ways of approaching combat. Different styles and teachers offering different things to a student. But what is a fighter? To me a fighter is someone who enjoys combat for the sake of combat. They use combat as a way to show superiority over others. Venues like the UFC showcase this. The men who fight in the UFC are fighting for money, fame and glory. A fighter wants to hurt people. Enjoys it. So what is a warrior? To me a warrior is a man or woman who will enter combat, but not for money, fame or glory. A warrior enters combat in order to protect something or someone. The man who tries to stop a mugging or a rape, the soldiers who defends not just his country but others as well. A warrior is not someone who seeks the spotlight. They enter combat because they have to.. Not because they want to. But because something inside them screams out to them that what they are seeing has to be stopped. If it can be done without violence then alls the better. If we did it for the money ... well we fighters must have a get rich slow plan ... MMA dosen't have much money in it ... money is better in boxing ... I do it for the competition aspect ... how do my skills compare to that guy's skill ... And another thing ... do I like hurting people ... no ... I'm a friendly person once you get to know me ... and even when a knockout or submission happens I make sure that my opponent is okay ... get you facts straight ... Look up Anderson Silva or Lyoto Machida ... I'm sure you're opinion will change ... So the 6 figure contracts handed out at the end of he Ultimate Fighter isn't a lot of money? Competitions are the same really. You may not be fighting for money but the glory part is still there. You are fighting just to see who is better. In my mind.. That makes you a fighter, not a warrior. Also, Machida and Silva are still paid for their fights. And I'm sure they make a fair bit on endorsements. Tell that to Evan Tanner ... or Mask ... tell that to the people they have touched ... they've inspired ... what you're doing is tearing people dow ... is that what a "warrior" or a martial artist does ... I don't think so ...
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Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 1:03 am
afromma Jake Kelly v2 afromma Jake Kelly v2 I think that the comparison is wrong. Maybe it should be Warrior vs Fighter. The Martial Arts are just different ways of approaching combat. Different styles and teachers offering different things to a student. But what is a fighter? To me a fighter is someone who enjoys combat for the sake of combat. They use combat as a way to show superiority over others. Venues like the UFC showcase this. The men who fight in the UFC are fighting for money, fame and glory. A fighter wants to hurt people. Enjoys it. So what is a warrior? To me a warrior is a man or woman who will enter combat, but not for money, fame or glory. A warrior enters combat in order to protect something or someone. The man who tries to stop a mugging or a rape, the soldiers who defends not just his country but others as well. A warrior is not someone who seeks the spotlight. They enter combat because they have to.. Not because they want to. But because something inside them screams out to them that what they are seeing has to be stopped. If it can be done without violence then alls the better. If we did it for the money ... well we fighters must have a get rich slow plan ... MMA dosen't have much money in it ... money is better in boxing ... I do it for the competition aspect ... how do my skills compare to that guy's skill ... And another thing ... do I like hurting people ... no ... I'm a friendly person once you get to know me ... and even when a knockout or submission happens I make sure that my opponent is okay ... get you facts straight ... Look up Anderson Silva or Lyoto Machida ... I'm sure you're opinion will change ... So the 6 figure contracts handed out at the end of he Ultimate Fighter isn't a lot of money? Competitions are the same really. You may not be fighting for money but the glory part is still there. You are fighting just to see who is better. In my mind.. That makes you a fighter, not a warrior. Also, Machida and Silva are still paid for their fights. And I'm sure they make a fair bit on endorsements. Tell that to Evan Tanner ... or Mask ... tell that to the people they have touched ... they've inspired ... what you're doing is tearing people dow ... is that what a "warrior" or a martial artist does ... I don't think so ... And tell it to these guys ... those are the facts ... Fight Life: MMA DocuementaryYou guys speak of understanding ... yet put yourself in my shoes ... in my friends' shoes ... and you'll realize how disrepected we feel ... yet we are stoic and just continue on ...
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:03 pm
You say you like to hurt people. You fight just to see who is better. In my opinion this makes you a fighter, not a warrior. I'm not saying that fighters are all pricks who are just out to pick fights with Joe blow off the street(those guys are douchebags and don't belong in this discussion). I have nothing against fighters as a group, many are good men and women.
I agree that life is a struggle, but I'm sorry, everyday is not a battle unless you are serving in Afghanistan or Iraq. Which brings me to my next point.
Soldiers. You talk about how we get paid for what we do and you are right. The thing is we aren't fighting just for the sheer joy of getting shot at and blown up. We do our duty because we have accepted that responsibility. We are fighting to protect other people, not just our own but the random person we come across that needs our help.(And we also we really don't get paid much.)
My point is that there is a difference between a fighter and a warrior.
A fighter will train for months and years beating their bodies to a pulp over and over in order to be the best they can be. They take this incredible mount of skill they have and look to test themselves in competitions.
You cannot train to be a warrior. It's a choice you make to put yourself in harms way in order to help those who are in need.
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:43 pm
Jake Kelly v2 Soldiers. You talk about how we get paid for what we do and you are right. The thing is we aren't fighting just for the sheer joy of getting shot at and blown up. We do our duty because we have accepted that responsibility. We are fighting to protect other people, not just our own but the random person we come across that needs our help.(And we also we really don't get paid much.) My point is that there is a difference between a fighter and a warrior. A fighter will train for months and years beating their bodies to a pulp over and over in order to be the best they can be. They take this incredible mount of skill they have and look to test themselves in competitions. You cannot train to be a warrior. It's a choice you make to put yourself in harms way in order to help those who are in need. So if warrior don't train ... then by your definition ... soldiers aren't warriors ... you are back pedalling ... give me something that doesn't cancel out what you just said ...
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:50 pm
Jake Kelly v2 I agree that life is a struggle, but I'm sorry, everyday is not a battle unless you are serving in Afghanistan or Iraq. You clearly haven't lived in my hood ... life is a battle ... it threatens to consumes us all ... if not financially, then emotionally, morally, physically ... so don't tell me it ain't a battle ... you can't tell me what I have and have not seen ... and don't tell me about war ... I already got those stories from my great grand-daddy (WWII) and grand-dad (Vietnam) to last me ... makes any expierence in Afghanistan or Irag look like a trip to the beach ...
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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 9:36 pm
Afromma, before making such comments about the conflict overseas, I suggest being there first. That sort of arm-chair, disdainful comment is rather unbecomming.
I cant really agree that day to day struggle in a rough living environment automaticly makes you a 'warrior', either. Many people thrive in such environments, through means both legitimate and otherwise. I'm one of those people, with barely enough means to keep myself from going under. That environment doesnt make me a fighter, but my own decisions, code of conduct and attempts at martial virtue might.
Don't forget, guys, that 'Warrior' just means 'One who does battle'. There are many terrible, martially capable individuals who could go by that very title. It's a neutral term, beyond its modern and somewhat erroneous connotations. It -is-, like Jake Kelley up there states, something you either have or dont.. But being a warrior doesnt make you a good person. Concepts such as Chivalry are the idling fantasies of poets. Bushido's commonly accepted tennets were drafted during an age of enforced peace. A warrior is a man (or woman) who's purpose is destruction; nothing more or less. What you choose to be besides being a warrior is something else entirely. Good, or bad, defensive or offensive.
Like a gun. Neutral. Why and how its used are what matters.
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Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:07 pm
Forgive my rashness ... I just felt like that I as a person was being judged and in a way that makes me feel that I have to say something back ... maybe it was me being defensive ... I don't know ... but I did what I felt was right ...
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Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:38 pm
And how do you think I feel about your comments. I'm sorry but I don't care what hood you are from it doesn't compare to walking outside the wire in Afghanistan. I grew up in a s**t neighbourhood too man and got shot when I lived there. But that neighbourhood has noting on Kandahar.
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