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 Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:24 pm
Miss White Minority Herobane Miss White Minority "Destroy all credibility"? Do you think any guild on this site has any credibility? Your guild introduction mentioned Socialism, which I support, although Nationally. WEll, are you a racist nazi? OR a non-racist nazi? You of course would like to assume I'm a white supremacist like you seem to assume of every Nazi, don't you? wink That's why I'm asking. A good friend of mine's a non-racist Nazi, and I've been able to have some really interesting discusisons with him. I don't really want to be the false accusation guy, so I figure it's worth asking. What are /your/ thoughts on race?
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:30 pm
Herobane Miss White Minority Herobane Miss White Minority "Destroy all credibility"? Do you think any guild on this site has any credibility? Your guild introduction mentioned Socialism, which I support, although Nationally. WEll, are you a racist nazi? OR a non-racist nazi? You of course would like to assume I'm a white supremacist like you seem to assume of every Nazi, don't you? wink That's why I'm asking. A good friend of mine's a non-racist Nazi, and I've been able to have some really interesting discusisons with him. I don't really want to be the false accusation guy, so I figure it's worth asking. What are /your/ thoughts on race? I'm not a racist one, I don't promote any race over other, but I believe there are differences between races, different qualities and flaws. Only a fool can say there's no difference between people who live in Scandinavia and people who live in Africa, for example.
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:33 pm
Gallenger The reason I chose not to intervene was in the hopes that *somebody* else would stumble upon the correct way to do things. The funny part is I even hoped you logged on because I figured, much like on the Women's question, you probably already had a cut and paste-able tirade on the class origins of racism. Unfortunately I was incorrect. I stayed out of the debate because I wanted other members to get involved. I've already argued with enough fascists in my time. I try to remain aloof unless it's a question I doubt anybody else could answer. I didn't respond, one, because I was asleep, and two, because I don't respond to Nazis. Personally, I prefer to keep within the left anyway. Gallenger I also would say I don't think he was being terribly disruptive - he only posted in threads which either A. he made, or B. were directly relating to his situation. Or that one post in the elections thread where he notes he can't post in it lol. The disruption comes from distracting people from other threads and in eliminating the 'safe-haven' aspect of the guild. Gallenger Self-criticism is a very important part of our method Gracchvs. I know, hence my point about arguinng among ourselves. Quote: A short coming was revealed by this fascist - if I get time tomorrow I'll write a nice guide on Racism and pint out some good txt books on the matter. I should also go through those threads and see what people said, see if there are any other shortcomings. And yes, this is a shortcoming, but not an unexpected one. (in fact, iirc, Comrade Robson did make posts in that vein) Our membership is politically immature at the moment, and such 'trials by fire' can be had in ED and ED-P (in response to Mere's inane comment that we must defend ourselves: we do it there, not here). Here we can provide the education ground and safe-haven .I cannot stress that aspect enough. Talking to the few decent leftists in ED about the possibility of making the Community, one thing I find is that the main reason they want it is for that 'safe-haven' aspect. Arguing among ourselves will build up their socialist education, and their ability to argue with socialists about socialism. That is all. For anything more than that, there is ED-P.
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:35 pm
Miss White Minority Herobane Miss White Minority Herobane Miss White Minority "Destroy all credibility"? Do you think any guild on this site has any credibility? Your guild introduction mentioned Socialism, which I support, although Nationally. WEll, are you a racist nazi? OR a non-racist nazi? You of course would like to assume I'm a white supremacist like you seem to assume of every Nazi, don't you? wink That's why I'm asking. A good friend of mine's a non-racist Nazi, and I've been able to have some really interesting discusisons with him. I don't really want to be the false accusation guy, so I figure it's worth asking. What are /your/ thoughts on race? I'm not a racist one, I don't promote any race over other, but I believe there are differences between races, different qualities and flaws. Only a fool can say there's no difference between people who live in Scandinavia and people who live in Africa, for example. That difference is usually superficial, though, no? THere are minor cultural differences, of course. Ultimately we're all basically the same. Biologically, that is.
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:53 pm
Mm, superficial as well, but you need to look under the surface.
It also seems like some of you think we're joining this guild for elections, da? If it's the case, I don't feel the need to vote. I'm here for plain curiosity.
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:21 pm
Miss White Minority Mm, superficial as well, but you need to look under the surface. It also seems like some of you think we're joining this guild for elections, da? If it's the case, I don't feel the need to vote. I'm here for plain curiosity. Fufill that curiosity then, and we (some of us at any rate) will oblige. Just don't stir up any trouble and we'll be bound to keep you here.
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:38 pm
Nazism is gay.
They promote homogeneity...which is pretty homo
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:51 pm
Gracchvs Our membership is politically immature at the moment, and such 'trials by fire' can be had in ED and ED-P (in response to Mere's inane comment that we must defend ourselves: we do it there, not here). Gracchvs up until some months ago you ONLY posted in NCS. What you're asking here is that all members upon joining in order to mature be forced to post in EDP but not every member who joins is a regular of EDP or even clicks on ED itself
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:24 am
Comrade Mann Gracchvs Our membership is politically immature at the moment, and such 'trials by fire' can be had in ED and ED-P (in response to Mere's inane comment that we must defend ourselves: we do it there, not here). Gracchvs up until some months ago you ONLY posted in NCS. What you're asking here is that all members upon joining in order to mature be forced to post in EDP but not every member who joins is a regular of EDP or even clicks on ED itself Please look over the rest of my post, because the fact that you address nothing but this point implies to me that you generally agree with those points, and that this was all you could object to. Now, I went out to ED-P because this place is dead. As activity picks up, I will certainly withdraw back in here a bit more, though until we have lots of decent activity in the forums, will not withdraw exclusively. If you want to prove how awesome you arguments are against the ibeologues of the bourgeoisie on the site are, go agead, prove that to who ever you want to prove it to. I myself would rather, for the most part, deal with people who alread have some kind of socialist consciousness. I imagine that many who join will be similar, and many would throw themselves into ED-P. That is how things work. But where you pretend to outrage that I would force everyone into ED-P, you would instead bring ED-P here. This is very different for two main reasons: 1) people can go to ED and ED-P voluntarily, despite the straw man that I would force them to. 2)Bringing ED here destroys the 'safe-haven' aspect of the guild which makes it redundant (why have the guild when you can make threads in ED-P for education?). Admit it, you are on the wrong end on this fight. You can side with me on this and still hate the rest of my evil dogmatic politics.
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:17 am
Gallenger I would vote against banning - he generated more discussion than the previous weeks combined. Note furthermore than I am sorely disappointed in this guild. Given, I may be overly criticizing, but last night the "ask Valg" thread went on for quite a while with various well educated members attempting to dissuade Valg from his racist beliefs - but they never did so from the Marxian perspective. They approached it, primarily, from the social and scientific perspective. Affective ways to argue, but in no way as effective, especially in regards to the individual in question who is a poor factory worker! Should we not have instantly pointed out that fact that there is a group of people who desire each and every one of us to be racist? So that the working class remains disunited, self-loathing, and backwards! This was not brought up in the least as I recall - hopefully it was done later, I sincerely hope so. Yeah, well, thanks. I already gave him what I'd consider a Marxist perspective when we continued the argument in PMs...but you know what? Don't care if it generated discussion. Don't care if it revealed some flaw in the membership. I don't think it was worth it. Next time you claim 'No, we should argue them down', do some arguing yourself. I don't care if you consider it some n00b training exercise: you're the one that wants it... (I don't know what arguments you thought would work to start with, but I think showing faulty logic is a good first step. Introducing arguments that require background theory comes later... and indeed came later.)
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Miza_Radioaktiv Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:54 am
Holy freaking ugh...
As much as I dislike the fact that there are Nazi's in this guild, until they do something that's definitely against the rules of this guild should we expel them. If they start s**t, throw them out; if not, leave them be. They might actually help this guild get back on it's feet with regular posts.
I say yes to the expulsion of Valg.
(P.S. I'm back from vacation.)
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:43 pm
Miza_Radioaktiv Holy freaking ugh... As much as I dislike the fact that there are Nazi's in this guild, until they do something that's definitely against the rules of this guild should we expel them. If they start s**t, throw them out; if not, leave them be. They might actually help this guild get back on it's feet with regular posts. I say yes to the expulsion of Valg. (P.S. I'm back from vacation.) The problem is we don't have rules any more. Tank accidentally deleted them when he deleted the 'announcements' thread, an while Merewyn says Gallenger has a copy of the constitution, he hasn'y replied to my request to post it. I can only expect that Mere is mistaken (maybe he had it on an old computer or something?) Not knowing the procedures, I banned them as soon as they came here (and as I said in the 'demod gracchvs' thread, I would do it again knowing the rules--and my likely de-modding--if they become too big a disruption). These are people who regularly post racist s**t in GD and it's subforums, I am told. So I think that if they are known racists, they shouldn't be in here, because their membership and posts undermine the reputation--as limited as a reputation restricted to an anime site is--of the guild.
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:46 pm
Gracchvs Comrade Mann Gracchvs Our membership is politically immature at the moment, and such 'trials by fire' can be had in ED and ED-P (in response to Mere's inane comment that we must defend ourselves: we do it there, not here). Gracchvs up until some months ago you ONLY posted in NCS. What you're asking here is that all members upon joining in order to mature be forced to post in EDP but not every member who joins is a regular of EDP or even clicks on ED itself Please look over the rest of my post, because the fact that you address nothing but this point implies to me that you generally agree with those points, and that this was all you could object to. Oh, so you agree with all my points you didn't bother to address in the other topic? Good to know. Quote: 2)Bringing ED here destroys the 'safe-haven' aspect of the guild How the bloody hell can the Guild be a safe haven when you're constantly commenting about how you want to ban certain members who don't agree with you?
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:57 pm
Gracchvs Miza_Radioaktiv Holy freaking ugh... As much as I dislike the fact that there are Nazi's in this guild, until they do something that's definitely against the rules of this guild should we expel them. If they start s**t, throw them out; if not, leave them be. They might actually help this guild get back on it's feet with regular posts. I say yes to the expulsion of Valg. (P.S. I'm back from vacation.) The problem is we don't have rules any more. Tank accidentally deleted them when he deleted the 'announcements' thread, an while Merewyn says Gallenger has a copy of the constitution, he hasn'y replied to my request to post it. I can only expect that Mere is mistaken (maybe he had it on an old computer or something?) Not knowing the procedures, I banned them as soon as they came here (and as I said in the 'demod gracchvs' thread, I would do it again knowing the rules--and my likely de-modding--if they become too big a disruption). These are people who regularly post racist s**t in GD and it's subforums, I am told. So I think that if they are known racists, they shouldn't be in here, because their membership and posts undermine the reputation--as limited as a reputation restricted to an anime site is--of the guild. I see your point. If Gallenger has the copy, it's his burden to re-post it. Since the constitution is gone and there is no rules, I agree with you. If they are known for posting racist and fascist remarks in other places than here, they should not be welcome here at all. Purge the fascists.
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Miza_Radioaktiv Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:29 pm
Dis Domnu Gracchvs Comrade Mann Gracchvs Our membership is politically immature at the moment, and such 'trials by fire' can be had in ED and ED-P (in response to Mere's inane comment that we must defend ourselves: we do it there, not here). Gracchvs up until some months ago you ONLY posted in NCS. What you're asking here is that all members upon joining in order to mature be forced to post in EDP but not every member who joins is a regular of EDP or even clicks on ED itself Please look over the rest of my post, because the fact that you address nothing but this point implies to me that you generally agree with those points, and that this was all you could object to. Oh, so you agree with all my points you didn't bother to address in the other topic? Good to know. Quote: 2)Bringing ED here destroys the 'safe-haven' aspect of the guild How the bloody hell can the Guild be a safe haven when you're constantly commenting about how you want to ban certain members who don't agree with you? I didn't address those points because they were of a subsidiary nature to the post (i.e., attacks against me). Mike takes a subsidiary point--an asside, really--and turns it into a stupid little straw-man, implying that there is nothing he can find fault in throughout the rest of the post. If you do not understand what is meant by 'safe-haven' and the connection between that and my 'constant comments about how I want to ban certain members' then you haven't payed any attention to my post or are being willfully dense.
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