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 Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:09 pm
i_heart_ron I would agree, Kariki, that Arthur is as much as the younger members of his brood, very much an antagonist here. Not in the sense that he started the feud, or carries a majority of the burden of guilt, but it seems to be very much a Weasley (not Prewitt) stubbornness in those kids. Incidentally, was I the only one who completely started freaking out when Molly flung herself at this person who looked like Percy, but could be anybody, when her own husband refuses to come inside his own house, for her safety? Actually...yes, I think you were *hadn't even realized this*.
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:14 pm
i_heart_ron Incidentally, was I the only one who completely started freaking out when Molly flung herself at this person who looked like Percy, but could be anybody, when her own husband refuses to come inside his own house, for her safety? Well, considering all that happened, I don't blame Molly. ^^U Hoping all Winter that her 'missing' son would come home for Christmas and *Gasp* there he is!
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:49 pm
Kariki Neroli Well, considering all that happened, I don't blame Molly. ^^U Hoping all Winter that her 'missing' son would come home for Christmas and *Gasp* there he is! I never blamed her, I just yelled at my book a lot. Considering I'm the fastest of all the people who were read-a-thon-ing at my place on release night, it was not terribly apppreciated.
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:57 pm
i_heart_ron Incidentally, was I the only one who completely started freaking out when Molly flung herself at this person who looked like Percy, but could be anybody, when her own husband refuses to come inside his own house, for her safety?
Hmm. I didn't notice that either. I think Jo threw that in mainly to show how scared people were, and also for comic relief ("Mollywobbles" blaugh )
@Kariki: I see that whole fight as a case of overreaction - on everyone's part. Arthur overreacted to Percy's promotion and jumped to the conclusion that it threatened his family, Percy overreacted to his father's overreaction and didn't take into account the panic he must have been feeling, Molly overreacted to Percy's absense, the Weasley children overreacted to Percy's comments and passed their prejudice on to Harry, and the whole thing was blown way out of proportion. Allowing Scrimgeour to get a foothold. Which just shows that families should either stick together or stay away.
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 2:37 pm
Here's a thought. Quote: did not expect a big sentimental reunion between Percy and his parents in Book 6. Percy was clearly at the Burrow for Christmas under protest, and was really willing to make amends only to his mother. And his mother was the only member of the family prepared to accept the gesture. ~ Red Hen Publication, Percy Essay. I noticed that. Percy hadn't done anything wrong, and yet Ginny, Fred, and George all chased him off. Why?
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:22 pm
To the Weasleys, Percy committed the ultimate wrong-doing when he sided with the Ministry over the family. No matter how you qualify it, he DID do this, and the Weasley children look upon his actions as a betrayal. Like the Blacks, the Weasleys are very big on family loyalty. Do I see a parallel here with Sirius? Call me crazy, but Sirius ran out on his family because a conflict of beliefs. So did Percy. I have to think about this.
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:44 pm
RegulusofSlytherin Here's a thought. Quote: did not expect a big sentimental reunion between Percy and his parents in Book 6. Percy was clearly at the Burrow for Christmas under protest, and was really willing to make amends only to his mother. And his mother was the only member of the family prepared to accept the gesture. ~ Red Hen Publication, Percy Essay. I noticed that. Percy hadn't done anything wrong, and yet Ginny, Fred, and George all chased him off. Why? Because Ginny and the twins are stubborn. Extremely so in my opinion. And rather childish. (Apparently) It was obvious to them that Percy didn't want to be there but instead of bearing with it, they go by their child instincts and chase the 'threat' away. People keep saying that it would take something extreme for Percy to apologise to his family but I honestly think it's the other way around, at least where his younger siblings are concerned.
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:05 pm
Kariki Neroli Because Ginny and the twins are stubborn. Extremely so in my opinion. And rather childish. (Apparently) It was obvious to them that Percy didn't want to be there but instead of bearing with it, they go by their child instincts and chase the 'threat' away.
They are just being themselves. We know they can be mature if they want to, but maybe since he is their brother they don't feel they have to be polite. He grew up with them, after all. He would've known what they meant by, "Hahaha have some mashed parsnip" Splat.
Something like, "Hey, we're really pissed with you right now but we're comfortable enough with you to prank you, so we still think of you as our brother, and we will accept you if you come back."
Ah, the Reading of the Mashed Parsnip. The only type of Divination Sybil Trelawney will admit to being deficient at.
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:29 am
Throwing mashed parsnip isn't much of a prank. Especially by the Twins' standards.
Besides, you said it yourself, they grew up with Percy. They know Percy doesn't like 'Pranks' and hates the pranks pulled on him.
I might have believe it a prank if the Weasley children weren't so tense about Percy being there. I don't think they'd have throw the parsnip for no reason, of course, but it still doesn't excuse the behavior.
I hope in the 7th book, we get to see the whole picture to this fight because it's so annoying only getting one side of the story.
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:17 pm
Kariki Neroli Throwing mashed parsnip isn't much of a prank. Especially by the Twins' standards. Besides, you said it yourself, they grew up with Percy. They know Percy doesn't like 'Pranks' and hates the pranks pulled on him. I might have believe it a prank if the Weasley children weren't so tense about Percy being there. I don't think they'd have throw the parsnip for no reason, of course, but it still doesn't excuse the behavior. I hope in the 7th book, we get to see the whole picture to this fight because it's so annoying only getting one side of the story. I'm going to agree with Kariki on this one. Throwing parsnip isn't a prank. Pranks have a certain style to it. A kind of planning. That was just...childish of them. I don't know what Percy did. Perhaps he even-oh I don't know- did something so terrible as acknowledge their father's existance. To which the twins and Ginny would be like "OMG! How dare you talk to him you peice of spittle!" and thus being to throw parsnip. Oh yeah. Very mature guys.
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:01 pm
Joie D To the Weasleys, Percy committed the ultimate wrong-doing when he sided with the Ministry over the family. No matter how you qualify it, he DID do this, and the Weasley children look upon his actions as a betrayal. Like the Blacks, the Weasleys are very big on family loyalty. Do I see a parallel here with Sirius? Call me crazy, but Sirius ran out on his family because a conflict of beliefs. So did Percy. I have to think about this. I hadn't thought about it in relation of Sirius before. Wow, thats crazy. I don't think that Sirius would ever go back to his family even if they told him he was right though. I think Percy is just looking for some recognition and acceptance. He can't find much in his big family so it laches onto the people who give it to him like Crouch. As for Ginny and the Twins. I don't think what they did was mature but it was their way of dealing with feeling betrayed. It wouldn't be very them of them to not throw food.
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:58 am
The fact that they all claimed credit for it (proudly, it seemed) shows that it probably was a prank.
Speaking of that, Ginny claimed credit, right? We have heard multiple references to her Bat-Bogey Hex, and how she casts it on people who annoy her. If she was really looking to hurt him or chase him away she would have thrown that at him instead of food. Because we know from the things Fred has done to Ron that there is no iron-hard rule about hurting siblings. They have access to magical healing, unlike Muggle children, and are more blase about physical injury. So the fact that they didn't actually hurt Percy seems to show that they weren't serious.
Or at least, that they were only trying to make him suffer a little before they accepted him back. Hazing, if you like.
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:03 pm
Basil_Hallward Joie D To the Weasleys, Percy committed the ultimate wrong-doing when he sided with the Ministry over the family. No matter how you qualify it, he DID do this, and the Weasley children look upon his actions as a betrayal. Like the Blacks, the Weasleys are very big on family loyalty. Do I see a parallel here with Sirius? Call me crazy, but Sirius ran out on his family because a conflict of beliefs. So did Percy. I have to think about this. I hadn't thought about it in relation of Sirius before. Wow, thats crazy. I don't think that Sirius would ever go back to his family even if they told him he was right though. I just thought of it, really. No, the comparison isn't exact. For one thing, the situation with the Weasley's isn't as clear-cut as Sirius's situation, nor were Percy and Sirius's motivations exactly the same. However, there are some interesting parallels. A lot of the fighting we've seen has been Order vs. Ministry rather than vs. Death Eaters. Percy chose the unpopular side, just as Sirius did. But if the world can learn to work together, he might be able to reconcile with his parents. I think there's a possibility for Percy to go either way at this point. Either he and his family will finally forgive each other for mutual mistakes, or he'll be bitter toward the family for the rest of his life. I know that the people on this thread like to talk about the wrongs of the other Weasleys, but Percy also needs to recognize his own folly. He needs to forgive as well as be forgiven. Back on topic, I think the food-fight was a sign of comfort. They've always played pranks on Percy. If they hadn't done something now, then they would be uncomfortable. They were trying to lighten the obviously tense mood.
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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:17 am
Joie D I think there's a possibility for Percy to go either way at this point. Either he and his family will finally forgive each other for mutual mistakes, or he'll be bitter toward the family for the rest of his life. I know that the people on this thread like to talk about the wrongs of the other Weasleys, but Percy also needs to recognize his own folly. He needs to forgive as well as be forgiven. Back on topic, I think the food-fight was a sign of comfort. They've always played pranks on Percy. If they hadn't done something now, then they would be uncomfortable. They were trying to lighten the obviously tense mood.*Grabs Joie and hugs her enthusiastically* Exactly! They were showing that he was still their brother! And do you know, I just noticed that no one on this thread has mentioned what Percy said to Mr Weasley that so infuriated him and all the other Weasleys except maybe Molly; Quote: "He went completely beserk. He said - well, he said loads of terrible stuff. He said he's been having to struggle against Dad's lousy reputation ever since he joined the Ministry and that Dad's got no ambition and that's why we've always been - you know - not had a lot of money, I mean -" " What?" said Harry in disbelief, as Ginny made a noise like an angry cat. "I know," said Ron in a low voice. "And it got worse. He said Dad was an idiot to run around with Dumbledore, that Dumbledore was big trouble and Dad was going to go down with him, and that he - Percy - knew where his loyalty lay and it was with the Ministry. And if Mum and Dad were going to become traitors to the Ministry he was going to make sure everyone knew he didn't belong to our family any more. And he packed his bags the same night and left. He's living here in London now." OotP, UK Hardback edition, pg 69. Now do you really think that he shouldn't apologise for that?
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 12:39 pm
Acidic Cynic Joie D Back on topic, I think the food-fight was a sign of comfort. They've always played pranks on Percy. If they hadn't done something now, then they would be uncomfortable. They were trying to lighten the obviously tense mood. *Grabs Joie and hugs her enthusiastically* Exactly! They were showing that he was still their brother! I love, love, love this!!! I was all going with Weasley loyalty/intolerant of percieved betrayal, but this is like sunlight for me; oh! it makes me so happy!
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