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 Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:21 pm
That's what I said. We all sin, so perhaps sins are outweighed by good deeds. Otherwise, everybody would be damned.
BUt we are already condemnd. It it wasn't for the final sacrifice of Jesus we would all go to hell if we aren't saved. Doesn't the bible say
"Romans 3:10 – 3:18 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one"
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:33 pm
The Amazing Jabels xxPromarkxx The Amazing Jabels Priestley I think Jesus states himself that the one sin that prevents people entering heaven is blasphemy against the Spirit. As far as I understand it, it's basically your acceptance or denial of the Spirit that ultimately saves/condemns. Not nessesarily. The fate of non Christians seems uncertain to me. How? John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. That does not nessesarily say "Believe or you don't go to Heaven." Also, Bible=/= infalliable (see page 2 of the What if You Can't Believe? thread for an explanation.) John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.Are you a Christian?
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:58 am
xxPromarkxx The Amazing Jabels xxPromarkxx The Amazing Jabels Priestley I think Jesus states himself that the one sin that prevents people entering heaven is blasphemy against the Spirit. As far as I understand it, it's basically your acceptance or denial of the Spirit that ultimately saves/condemns. Not nessesarily. The fate of non Christians seems uncertain to me. How? John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. That does not nessesarily say "Believe or you don't go to Heaven." Also, Bible=/= infalliable (see page 2 of the What if You Can't Believe? thread for an explanation.) John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.Are you a Christian? I don't think that if you accept Jesus that you're saved. You could still go to hell. There are many Christians out there that have accepted Jesus as their savior but are still sinning. So really having Jesus as your savior doesn't mean you are free of sin nor is he your "Go to Heaven free" card.
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:32 am
xxPromarkxx The Amazing Jabels xxPromarkxx The Amazing Jabels Priestley I think Jesus states himself that the one sin that prevents people entering heaven is blasphemy against the Spirit. As far as I understand it, it's basically your acceptance or denial of the Spirit that ultimately saves/condemns. Not nessesarily. The fate of non Christians seems uncertain to me. How? John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. That does not nessesarily say "Believe or you don't go to Heaven." Also, Bible=/= infalliable (see page 2 of the What if You Can't Believe? thread for an explanation.) John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.Are you a Christian? Yes, I am Christian. And all it says is you cannot go to the Father except through Jesus. That does not say "believe or be damned". Through Jesus could simply mean he chooses who goes to the Father and who does not.
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:34 am
Fushigi na Butterfly That's fine with me. Though I am curious to know how you react to the last two sentences of the post you just quoted. But if you don't want to answer, that's fine. I'll just die of curiosity (and sadness, because I like discussing things with people who disagree with me/whom I disagree with). 3nodding Quote: If I believe Noah's Ark really happened and you don't, and you believe that Jesus really walked on water and I don't, then neither of those two things happened, because they are both being un-believed by someone. If people pick and choose which parts of the Bible "make sense," ultimately what you end up getting is a really interesting book, but none of it makes sense. By that logic nothing in the Bible happened, because people unbelieve all parts of it. If you pick and choose what makes sense, you have a book at makes sense to EVERYONE who follows it, because they chose what to believe is sense and what to believe is story.
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:16 am
The Amazing Jabels By that logic nothing in the Bible happened, because people unbelieve all parts of it. Quote: If you pick and choose what makes sense, you have a book at makes sense to EVERYONE who follows it, because they chose what to believe is sense and what to believe is story.
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:20 am
Dark Angel Rai xxPromarkxx The Amazing Jabels xxPromarkxx The Amazing Jabels Priestley I think Jesus states himself that the one sin that prevents people entering heaven is blasphemy against the Spirit. As far as I understand it, it's basically your acceptance or denial of the Spirit that ultimately saves/condemns. Not nessesarily. The fate of non Christians seems uncertain to me. How? John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. That does not nessesarily say "Believe or you don't go to Heaven." Also, Bible=/= infalliable (see page 2 of the What if You Can't Believe? thread for an explanation.) John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.Are you a Christian? I don't think that if you accept Jesus that you're saved. You could still go to hell. There are many Christians out there that have accepted Jesus as their savior but are still sinning. So really having Jesus as your savior doesn't mean you are free of sin nor is he your "Go to Heaven free" card.
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:45 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly Dark Angel Rai xxPromarkxx The Amazing Jabels xxPromarkxx How? John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. That does not nessesarily say "Believe or you don't go to Heaven." Also, Bible=/= infalliable (see page 2 of the What if You Can't Believe? thread for an explanation.) John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.Are you a Christian? I don't think that if you accept Jesus that you're saved. You could still go to hell. There are many Christians out there that have accepted Jesus as their savior but are still sinning. So really having Jesus as your savior doesn't mean you are free of sin nor is he your "Go to Heaven free" card. Now one could say that death will free you from sin. Because sin is apart of you as a human not a spirit. (The belief being that once you die your spirit and body seperate) now where your spirit goes could be reincarnation, heaven, river styx, etc. (I really don't know that much, prolly because it's not my time to die nor should I be the one guessing where a person's soul should go.)
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:20 pm
Dark Angel Rai xxPromarkxx The Amazing Jabels xxPromarkxx The Amazing Jabels Priestley I think Jesus states himself that the one sin that prevents people entering heaven is blasphemy against the Spirit. As far as I understand it, it's basically your acceptance or denial of the Spirit that ultimately saves/condemns. Not nessesarily. The fate of non Christians seems uncertain to me. How? John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. That does not nessesarily say "Believe or you don't go to Heaven." Also, Bible=/= infalliable (see page 2 of the What if You Can't Believe? thread for an explanation.) John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.Are you a Christian? I don't think that if you accept Jesus that you're saved. You could still go to hell. There are many Christians out there that have accepted Jesus as their savior but are still sinning. So really having Jesus as your savior doesn't mean you are free of sin nor is he your "Go to Heaven free" card. *sigh* Let me explain it to you: Jesus died for all our sins. That's why he was crucified. If you accept that Jesus did that for you, then all your sins, past, present, and future, are forgiven. No, he is not your "Go to Heaven Free card."
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:14 pm
xxPromarkxx Dark Angel Rai xxPromarkxx The Amazing Jabels xxPromarkxx How? John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. That does not nessesarily say "Believe or you don't go to Heaven." Also, Bible=/= infalliable (see page 2 of the What if You Can't Believe? thread for an explanation.) John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.Are you a Christian? I don't think that if you accept Jesus that you're saved. You could still go to hell. There are many Christians out there that have accepted Jesus as their savior but are still sinning. So really having Jesus as your savior doesn't mean you are free of sin nor is he your "Go to Heaven free" card. *sigh* Let me explain it to you: Jesus died for all our sins. That's why he was crucified. If you accept that Jesus did that for you, then all your sins, past, present, and future, are forgiven. No, he is not your "Go to Heaven Free card." But that is what you're saying. If you accept him, then your sins are expunged leaving you free to go to heaven and in other cases to sin again.
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:28 pm
Accpeting Jesus into our lives also means tryingt o follow in his footsteps. It means loving Him, loving God and letting that love spill over into our actions. He asks true repentance for those sins. Which means, at least, trying not to do it again. Not out of any sense of duty, not to earn our way to heaven (which is an impossiblt feat in any case), but out of pure and simple love.
If you take a gift for granted you will destroy it or lose it. The same is true hear, the gift is no good if we are not truly appreciative of it. That's what it means to accept the gift of that sacrifice.
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 12:06 pm
Dark Angel Rai Fushigi na Butterfly Dark Angel Rai xxPromarkxx The Amazing Jabels xxPromarkxx How? John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. That does not nessesarily say "Believe or you don't go to Heaven." Also, Bible=/= infalliable (see page 2 of the What if You Can't Believe? thread for an explanation.) John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.Are you a Christian? I don't think that if you accept Jesus that you're saved. You could still go to hell. There are many Christians out there that have accepted Jesus as their savior but are still sinning. So really having Jesus as your savior doesn't mean you are free of sin nor is he your "Go to Heaven free" card. Now one could say that death will free you from sin. Because sin is apart of you as a human not a spirit. (The belief being that once you die your spirit and body seperate) now where your spirit goes could be reincarnation, heaven, river styx, etc. (I really don't know that much, prolly because it's not my time to die nor should I be the one guessing where a person's soul should go.)
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:11 pm
I learned, when you commit sin and don't repent at all when your saved ,future generation of your family can be cursed.
The only loophole there is if you discover the curse you can destroy it by Faith,prayer and repentance.
All it takes is one unforgiven mistake from your family's past.
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:17 pm
Osaka_DFA I learned, when you commit sin and don't repent at all when your saved ,future generation of your family can be cursed. The only loophole there is if you discover the curse you can destroy it by Faith,prayer and repentance. All it takes is one unforgiven mistake from your family's past. That... very OT now that I think about it. Since the death of Jesus, I don't really think that applies anymore. All the family curses, the animal sacrifices, the involved rituals were done away with when he came. But I think at this point in the thread are we arguing that indeed once saved is always saved, regardless of behavior after the fact. Personally, I don't think so. If you meant it in that moment but after a few weeks stopped praying, going to church, doing whatever you needed to to stay connected to God and went back to all your sinful ways without a second thought then, no, I don't think your name will be in that book at the end.
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:53 am
Well has anybody heard of the judgment day?
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