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 Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:42 pm
Lord Galadedrid Damodred GuardianAngel44 Lord Galadedrid Damodred GuardianAngel44 Lord Galadedrid Damodred Crabbe and Goyle... Eew. Yuck. Malfoy... Actually, not necessarily. There was an ordained Christian minister who convinced himself that he was straight, had two kids then came out of the closet during a church service. So Draco's still got time. Everyone knows that Draco should've ended up with either Ginny or Harry. Didn't he die in the last book??? Draco? No. Harry died, but only for a little bit. Oh yeah. So many people died in the last book that it gets confusing. How did we get from Tivo to gay characters in the Harry Potter books? I really haven't the foggiest notion. Meh.
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:08 pm
Lord Galadedrid Damodred In fact, the phrase "I'm a genius" has come to mean "I can use Google and Wikipedia!" You forgot "Babelfish". Puisque je peux parler dans d'autres langues!I'd also present for the "opposing team", (of those who would say that the Harry Potter books by J.K. Rowling are not healthy for Christian consumption), the following treatise on the issue. I would have paraphrased it and made selected quotes, but it is just way too in-depth. So have at it! It's from a website that I found some time ago, and looks as though it hasn't been updated recently, but the information on it about the Harry Potter books, from a Christian perspective, is very good. Harry Potter Plus on SeekGod. Oh, okay, just one small quote, just to encourage you to click the link above, taken from information about Book 4 - Harry Potter & The Goblet of Fire...
Voldemort's snake, which has a trifurcated face, is called Nagini. "Nagini" is the female form of "Naga," a group of serpent gods in India. According to mythology, Vishnu slept on a Naga when creating the world, and it was said that the Nagas would ultimately destroy the world with fire. It is related to the Phoenix.
In the occult, snakes are guardians of the springs of life and immortality, and also those superior riches of the spirit that are symbolized by hidden treasure. [Burns, p. 126] Occultist Manley Palmer Hall, stated, "the serpent is the symbol and prototype of the Universal savior, who redeems the world by giving creation the knowledge of good and evil." [Burns p 131]
Voldemort must drink the snakes poison to gain strength, which comes from the concept that serpents, the symbol of Satan, as saviors offer immortality or the Elixir of life. Rowling has been very busy incorporating actual occult theology into her books.
The use of occult color symbolism increases, particularly with the color green, which becomes predominate in acts of witchcraft. For example, when Voldemort killed the gardener, Frank, in the first chapter, he did so with a Killing Curse, with a green light flashing out of Voldemort's wand.
This is only a very, very small selection of the information presented by Vicky Dillen and SeekGod. Each of the first 4 books of the Harry Potter series is dealt with in detail, showing why, from a Christian perspective, the books are very definitely not Christian and are essentially a tutorial on Occult practices.
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:06 pm
I take it you are a Christian? If you are, then how could you possible think that the Harry Potter books are occultic? Please, name me one place in any of the seven books that it gives any mention of occultic practices? If you're talking about the spells, most of them came from Latin words. They aren't real witchcraft. I've seen real witchcraft, and that's not it. Just ask Lord Galadedrid Damodred.
Did I spell you're name right?
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:09 pm
Also, the maker of the website is assuming quite alot, making anagrams, saying that it is actual magic (and Black Magic at that), and such.
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:34 pm
GuardianAngel44 I take it you are a Christian? If you are, then how could you possible think that the Harry Potter books are occultic? Please, name me one place in any of the seven books that it gives any mention of occultic practices? Hmm, I thought that the quote above mentioned Occult practices exemplified in the Harry Potter books. And the entire treatise on the SeekGod website goes into intricate detail about specific Occult practices, giving examples and quoting not only the books by J.K. Rowlings, and the Bible, but also quoting acknowledged Occult authors, such as Albert Pike. It also provides links to factual information on Occult websites. Few Christian websites that I have encountered would dare to provide such links to the "enemy's" presence on the Internet, but this has been done purely in the name of research.
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:51 pm
jedkantos Lord Galadedrid Damodred In fact, the phrase "I'm a genius" has come to mean "I can use Google and Wikipedia!" You forgot "Babelfish". Puisque je peux parler dans d'autres langues!I'd also present for the "opposing team", (of those who would say that the Harry Potter books by J.K. Rowling are not healthy for Christian consumption), the following treatise on the issue. I would have paraphrased it and made selected quotes, but it is just way too in-depth. So have at it! It's from a website that I found some time ago, and looks as though it hasn't been updated recently, but the information on it about the Harry Potter books, from a Christian perspective, is very good. Harry Potter Plus on SeekGod. Oh, okay, just one small quote, just to encourage you to click the link above, taken from information about Book 4 - Harry Potter & The Goblet of Fire...
Voldemort's snake, which has a trifurcated face, is called Nagini. "Nagini" is the female form of "Naga," a group of serpent gods in India. According to mythology, Vishnu slept on a Naga when creating the world, and it was said that the Nagas would ultimately destroy the world with fire. It is related to the Phoenix.
In the occult, snakes are guardians of the springs of life and immortality, and also those superior riches of the spirit that are symbolized by hidden treasure. [Burns, p. 126] Occultist Manley Palmer Hall, stated, "the serpent is the symbol and prototype of the Universal savior, who redeems the world by giving creation the knowledge of good and evil." [Burns p 131]
Voldemort must drink the snakes poison to gain strength, which comes from the concept that serpents, the symbol of Satan, as saviors offer immortality or the Elixir of life. Rowling has been very busy incorporating actual occult theology into her books.
The use of occult color symbolism increases, particularly with the color green, which becomes predominate in acts of witchcraft. For example, when Voldemort killed the gardener, Frank, in the first chapter, he did so with a Killing Curse, with a green light flashing out of Voldemort's wand.
This is only a very, very small selection of the information presented by Vicky Dillen and SeekGod. Each of the first 4 books of the Harry Potter series is dealt with in detail, showing why, from a Christian perspective, the books are very definitely not Christian and are essentially a tutorial on Occult practices. That is ridiculous. Okay, to restore a spirit to a body, have it drink a potion of unicorn blood and snake venom. Excuse me? Are unicorns real now? Did I miss the memo? It is not occult theology, it is occult iconography. Symbology. People associate snakes with the Devil, so the evil bad guy in JK's books has a giant pet snake. The colour green can symbolize - at best - growth, nature and healing, and at worst, envy, disease and decay. The Killing Curse ( Avada Kedavra, for the unenlightened) is in Arabic, genius. How did Voldemort jump from an evil Hindu icon to an evil Arabic icon? Yes, Dark Magic is used in the books - but only by evil characters. Rowling makes it clear that this is wrong, that causing pain and death by use of magic is evil. And that's not even real magic! I can grab a wand of elder, point it at someone and yell " Avada K'davra" (that is the spell in its original form, by the way) and nothing will happen. Avada K'davra means, in fact, "I will unmake as I speak", and was originally used in healing rituals, as in "I will unmake (the disease) as I speak". If you're looking for a book of instruction on occult practices, I suggest you read Children of Darkness: A Modern Path to the Old Ways. Or, if you're more into the positive side of magic, The Beginner's Guide to Wicca: How to Practice Earth-Centered Spirituality. I have other posts to make, or else I would teach you manners as well. But next time, please try to learn more about a subject before you voice opinions, okay? Or else no one will like you. I know I certainly don't.
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:56 pm
jedkantos GuardianAngel44 I take it you are a Christian? If you are, then how could you possible think that the Harry Potter books are occultic? Please, name me one place in any of the seven books that it gives any mention of occultic practices? Hmm, I thought that the quote above mentioned Occult practices exemplified in the Harry Potter books. And the entire treatise on the SeekGod website goes into intricate detail about specific Occult practices, giving examples and quoting not only the books by J.K. Rowlings, and the Bible, but also quoting acknowledged Occult authors, such as Albert Pike. It also provides links to factual information on Occult websites. Few Christian websites that I have encountered would dare to provide such links to the "enemy's" presence on the Internet, but this has been done purely in the name of research. Albert Pike was a religious and theological philosopher and writer, moron. Masons aren't occult. The Harry Potter books are about life, love, loyalty, the power of faith, the power of innocence, good triumphing over evil, natural order restored, challenging tyranny, love conquering insurmountable odds and never giving up your ideals and principles, even when it causes you pain. That is very Christian. But if the concept of "magic" is too nasty for your delicate Abrahamic sensibilities, then you can go read your precious Narnia. I'll stick to something a little less... preachy, thank you so very much.
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:25 am
Lord Galadedrid Damodred I have other posts to make, or else I would teach you manners as well. But next time, please try to learn more about a subject before you voice opinions, okay? Or else no one will like you. I know I certainly don't. Hmm, seems to me that someone is being a little "over-protective" of their position in this discussion. Let's not make this a personal thing, shall we? I don't recall voicing an opinion on this issue myself. I have merely pointed out a website that supports the opposing viewpoint. I have not claimed that position as being my own, but have merely followed the ED Rule#1, which is to cite my source. Let's keep the personal issues separate from the facts, shall we? I don't need to be "taught manners" by you. I am here to discuss an issue, that is all. If you have formed the opinion that you certainly don't like me, purely from two posts that I have made, then perhaps you are being somewhat judgmental?
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:49 pm
jedkantos Lord Galadedrid Damodred I have other posts to make, or else I would teach you manners as well. But next time, please try to learn more about a subject before you voice opinions, okay? Or else no one will like you. I know I certainly don't. Hmm, seems to me that someone is being a little "over-protective" of their position in this discussion. Let's not make this a personal thing, shall we? I don't recall voicing an opinion on this issue myself. I have merely pointed out a website that supports the opposing viewpoint. I have not claimed that position as being my own, but have merely followed the ED Rule#1, which is to cite my source. Let's keep the personal issues separate from the facts, shall we? I don't need to be "taught manners" by you. I am here to discuss an issue, that is all. If you have formed the opinion that you certainly don't like me, purely from two posts that I have made, then perhaps you are being somewhat judgmental? Citing your sources... heh. I'm sorry, I suppose I have trouble trusting a source that actually looks for sin and darkness in children's books. I am a judgmental person. I make no secret of it.
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:38 am
jedkantos Lord Galadedrid Damodred I have other posts to make, or else I would teach you manners as well. But next time, please try to learn more about a subject before you voice opinions, okay? Or else no one will like you. I know I certainly don't. Hmm, seems to me that someone is being a little "over-protective" of their position in this discussion. Let's not make this a personal thing, shall we? I don't recall voicing an opinion on this issue myself. I have merely pointed out a website that supports the opposing viewpoint. I have not claimed that position as being my own, but have merely followed the ED Rule#1, which is to cite my source. Let's keep the personal issues separate from the facts, shall we? I don't need to be "taught manners" by you. I am here to discuss an issue, that is all. If you have formed the opinion that you certainly don't like me, purely from two posts that I have made, then perhaps you are being somewhat judgmental? I would like to know, however, you're position on all of this so that I can debate freely without assuming anything.
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:30 pm
Hey there
im not here to point fingers or anything, but our youth pastor recently gave us a well researched talk about Harry Potter and all that it pertains to.
There was something quite interesting that he included within his sermon, a former witch in the united states had published it online in regards to Rowlings writing,this is not exact wording, merely paraphrasing, she's done her research well in order to write her book- There are 7 'god type' figures within the wiccan world and the un-named one of these God type figues was the one whose sole purpose was to persecute and kill christians.
That stood to me as a solid reason why some Christians are against Harry Potter as a novel and a movie, which is apparently all they were created to be.
Witch craft it self is against all the Bible and our Awesome Father wants us to learn and grow and live by.
I have not read the books, but yes I have gone with my non christian mates to see the movies. And we can sit here and say that it does not affect who we are as people or Christians- but in a way subconsciously we do. We take these productions as merely a piece of entertainment, without much thought on the consequences it can have on our mind, our heart or our walk with God. Im not saying its right or wrong, but you need tot hink about the content you are filling your head with, myself included, im not pointing fingers as I said before.
But if i've given you any insight, or any help on understanding the arguement, I'm glad
God Bless
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:42 pm
witchraft is against the bible, yes. but why is it with you ******** people that every sngle thing that happens to not follow your doctrines is considered wrong? seriously, i wan tto know this may be then i can start to rebuild some shred of the repect i once had for christianity. not saying i don't like christians. but damn your religioun is ******** up. it's fundamnetal principle and motto used to be "love thy neighbour" now it's "our way or the highway(to hell)"
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:57 am
Lazarus The Resurected witchraft is against the bible, yes. but why is it with you ******** people that every sngle thing that happens to not follow your doctrines is considered wrong? seriously, i wan tto know this may be then i can start to rebuild some shred of the repect i once had for christianity. not saying i don't like christians. but damn your religioun is ******** up. it's fundamnetal principle and motto used to be "love thy neighbour" now it's "our way or the highway(to hell)" The reason christians hate HP is because magic and wizardry is veiwed in a positive light. My usual reponse to shut them up is: The Lord of the Rings: Gandalf, a wizard, is supposed to represent Jesus. Narnia: Aslan, the uses deep magic. The typical responses: rolleyes Whatever, mabye you'll see the light soon. Or: Well, those two things are evil anyways. It makes me lawl. Actually the whole irony is that Rowling is a christian, and Bumbledorf has finally been revealed gay.
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:27 pm
Dumbledor is gay?? i gotta see this. link me.
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:23 pm
I think it's on page 2 of the topic. And, more than anything, I hate stereotypical people.
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