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 Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:55 pm
I wish they would start building them again--tall ships that is. A programme like the one you went on would be great for "regular folks"--but I also think it would make a superb deterrent to crime for young people who would otherwise get into gangs and stuff. One is too tired at the end of a day at sea to get up to much trouble. smile
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:46 am
There are some that have been built recently. The Stavros S Niarchos and Prince William from the TSYT were bought as scrap hulls and converted into what they are today. They were cheap as scrap, but now worth over £1m.
It's a pain either of them have to be sold, but I've been told it's the Prince William.
If you have a look around the internet, there are tall ships that have been built in recent times. The main problem with them is, is that they cost so much to build and run. You need to have an awful lot of money to try to buy one let alone have one built.
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:43 pm
True that.
Some friends of mine in the SCA are involved in a project to build a Viking longship--and it has been costing them a LOT.
But what really rocks about this kind of thing is the way it allows us to re-learn old crafts. Any time you try to recreate something as close to original as possible, you'll spend some time re-learning... which is massively cool. smile
I can just imagine some of the re-learning involved in building a "new" tall ship... do you know any sites online where there are details and good illustrations of building metrics for the ships, not just the outcome?
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:33 am
I can't seem to find any websites about actually building tall ships at the moment, but there are some diagrams.
This one tells you about the types of sails there are and where they are located.
This one is a rigging draft. It's too small to read, so you'll probably need to save it and zoom in.
The Prince William has 19 miles of rigging. I would assume the Stavros S Niarchos is the same.
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:23 am
Holy cow that's a lot of rope and canvas...
When I ponder how much the captain would need to know in order to ship his vessel in combat... and how much MORE a fleet commander would need to know in order to send a whole Line out and direct them... it simply boggles my mind.
Those are great diagrams! Thanks!
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:04 pm
No problem. Bear in mind though, those two brigs have 19 miles of rigging and they're 60 metres long and have only two masts. Think about a vessel with three masts, and then work your way up to something HMS Victory's size. I have a book about her called "Anatomy of the Ship: The 100-gun ship Victory", and that will tell me in there. It'll be posted on her thread though.
HMS Victory is 227ft long and 205ft high on the main mast by the way.
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:32 am
I hadn't seen that book--who is the author? I'd love to get a copy!
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:42 am
John McKay is the author. smile
Here's some information on HMS Warrior. She was the first ironclad warship and was built in the Victorian period. She was launched on December 29th 1860. HMS Warrior (Official Website).
Yes, Jasta, I've been on this one as well. She's also in Portsmouth's historic dockyard. smile
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:59 pm
God that's lovely....
I'd live on a ship like that if I could afford one--AND the upkeep. smile
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:24 am
I find this one amazing, but I find the Victory just so utterly awe-inspiring that I'm just itching to get back down there to see her again. Me and her are like two opposite ends of a magnet that inevitably attract of course.
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:06 pm
Was thinking of you just that a short while ago. Sotheby's are having an auction of important British marine paintings at the end of November; there are three scenes from Trafalgar and one small locket-portrait of the commander of HMS Temeraire, Sir Eliab Harvey, when he was a young'un. His eyes in the portrait are SO well done--even though it is a tiny portrait--that you'd think he could just up and speak--and I felt totally drawn to him.
They have the catalogue online, but you have to register with them to view the paintings, etc. It's free, mercifully, and most of the paintings are highly zoom-able to the point where you can see brush-strokes. Just incredible!
http://www.sothebys.com/
There's a search field in the upper right-hand corner; if you search on Trafalgar you'll find all the referent pics.
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:53 am
I'll have a look at some point soon.
Thanks for that.
I'm going on this one in just under two weeks time. It's named after Nelson, aptly named, LORD NELSON. It belongs to the Jubilee Sailing Trust along with their other ship TENACIOUS.
The JST's ships are both specially built and modified to be able to take on board both able-bodied and disabled people. They also promote disabled people sailing. So, I'll be teamed up with someone. I don't feel comfortable taking care of severely disabled people, so they'll buddy me with someone who's only mildly disabled. I'm somewhat physically impaired myself as I have diabetes, but that doesn't stop me from doing anything.
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:34 pm
That's very decent of them to give disabled folks a chance. I hope you and your partner are both able to have a good time!
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:34 pm
Partner? I'm guessing you mean that in the "buddy" sense. I don't know who's going to be my buddy yet. I'll be put with someone who's mildly disabled.
Isn't that a grand looking ship though?
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:24 am
smile Yes, I did mean in the buddy sense. Sorry to be unclear!
And yes, that is one gorgeous vessel. I'm glad the chance to be aboard such a ship is available to the public--and really happy one can actually help crew it at sea! Maybe one of these days after the car is either repaired or replaced... Oy...
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