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 Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:12 pm
To Uryu...  To Fresnel...  The possible best thing to do. Blow it up. I really wanted to use both of those, and found a reason. (Uryu's picture is a joke. I'm not trying to be a jerk. I just think it is funny. And I do believe the best thing to do is to blow it up.) PLEASE DO NOT START AN ARGUMENT ON THE EXPLOSION. IT IS JUST WHAT I WOULD DO. I KNOW I WOULD DIE. BUT IT WILL BE FUN smile
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:15 pm
That's blasphemy. The epitome is Hi-Point, because they still work. They're just hella blockier. (AKA: ******** HUEG SLIDES) I'm actually surprised Lorcin is still in business, with the SNS legislation that's been about. I practice and practice more. I can ALMOST hit a human-sized target at 100 yards (not much of any semblance of accuracy, just hitting it at all) with the PT1911, and I can reliably hit melons and cantaloupes <17 yards. I could do better with something in 9mm, but practice makes better. I've noticed this. WHY, is what I'm trying to figure out, considering I feel the boom more from the .308, it just doesn't seem as loud. Why would you need to take a long-distance shot? Well, ME. You live in the desert, you have the luxury of large open spaces with long visibility. Considering the competitions you went in, you had to have had at least one spring go out, and not necessarily magazine springs. How many years did you participate? It's older than the 500. Of course it's sold more. Of course they've had time to market themselves and plant their feet firmly in the market. Mossbergs are younger, and haven't had the same chances with marketing, being a latecomer to the competition. They don't care that the 500 has ambidextrous controls, more ergonomic slide release (with a conventional stock, anyway), two extractors, and plenty of options--they've already been using the 870. It's what they've had, and still have, and will likely keep because of tradition, until something SERIOUSLY better comes along, which won't happen for a while because pumpguns haven't exactly been very innovative. There isn't really much to innovate, other than magazines... And that currently hasn't been doing well, being uneconomical for the consumer. Simply, the 870 was designed as a hunting gun, and morphed into a combat gun. The 500 was designed as a combat gun, and morphed into a hunting gun. Drilled/Tapped recievers: Research sez not all 870s are drilled and tapped, only models set up specifically for it--they do offer a "saddle" mount that goes in with receiver pins that is supposedly good. Lots and lots of stories of people buggering-up their 870s trying to drill and tap them themselves like fools. Considering plans to use both slugs and shot, in their respective barrels, the saddle would be a better idea anyway (you can take the whole thing off quickly, and it'll mount in the same spot next time, meaning little re-zeroing) Just because it's there, I'm going to find a cheapy-cheap holosight, and then shoot it until to stops working. Just to say I have.
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:46 pm
uryu ishida That's blasphemy. The epitome is Hi-Point, because they still work. They're just hella blockier. (AKA: ******** HUEG SLIDES) I'm actually surprised Lorcin is still in business, with the SNS legislation that's been about. I practice and practice more. I can ALMOST hit a human-sized target at 100 yards (not much of any semblance of accuracy, just hitting it at all) with the PT1911, and I can reliably hit melons and cantaloupes <17 yards. I could do better with something in 9mm, but practice makes better. I've noticed this. WHY, is what I'm trying to figure out, considering I feel the boom more from the .308, it just doesn't seem as loud. Why would you need to take a long-distance shot? Well, ME. You live in the desert, you have the luxury of large open spaces with long visibility. Considering the competitions you went in, you had to have had at least one spring go out, and not necessarily magazine springs. How many years did you participate? It's older than the 500. Of course it's sold more. Of course they've had time to market themselves and plant their feet firmly in the market. Mossbergs are younger, and haven't had the same chances with marketing, being a latecomer to the competition. They don't care that the 500 has ambidextrous controls, more ergonomic slide release (with a conventional stock, anyway), two extractors, and plenty of options--they've already been using the 870. It's what they've had, and still have, and will likely keep because of tradition, until something SERIOUSLY better comes along, which won't happen for a while because pumpguns haven't exactly been very innovative. There isn't really much to innovate, other than magazines... And that currently hasn't been doing well, being uneconomical for the consumer. Simply, the 870 was designed as a hunting gun, and morphed into a combat gun. The 500 was designed as a combat gun, and morphed into a hunting gun. Drilled/Tapped recievers: Research sez not all 870s are drilled and tapped, only models set up specifically for it--they do offer a "saddle" mount that goes in with receiver pins that is supposedly good. Lots and lots of stories of people buggering-up their 870s trying to drill and tap them themselves like fools. Considering plans to use both slugs and shot, in their respective barrels, the saddle would be a better idea anyway (you can take the whole thing off quickly, and it'll mount in the same spot next time, meaning little re-zeroing) Just because it's there, I'm going to find a cheapy-cheap holosight, and then shoot it until to stops working. Just to say I have. Lorcins are cheaper. I've seen them NIB for under a hundred bucks. Lorcin DID go out of business, but I think they got bought by Raven Arms. Now Raven makes the same Lorcin guns for the same Lorcin price. I think it has to do with the speed of the bullet. Damn things can break Mach 3. It saw you. Good luck running from something that can hit 30MPH. Three years. Even then, only extractor springs, and only one or two. I never saw a magazine go bad, except when it was explosive. And I never saw a buffer spring go out, either. So did the 1897, and the M2 turned out to be a pretty good sniper rifle. What's your point? The saddle mount looked suspicious to me. It uses the take-down pins to hold itself in place, so every time you clean the gun, you have to re-zero? Sounds shitty. Wanna buy an expensive holosight that'll last you a lifetime? My car just ate s**t and I need money bad. Got an EOTech I'm willing to part with.
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:01 pm
Fresnel uryu ishida That's blasphemy. The epitome is Hi-Point, because they still work. They're just hella blockier. (AKA: ******** HUEG SLIDES) I'm actually surprised Lorcin is still in business, with the SNS legislation that's been about. I practice and practice more. I can ALMOST hit a human-sized target at 100 yards (not much of any semblance of accuracy, just hitting it at all) with the PT1911, and I can reliably hit melons and cantaloupes <17 yards. I could do better with something in 9mm, but practice makes better. I've noticed this. WHY, is what I'm trying to figure out, considering I feel the boom more from the .308, it just doesn't seem as loud. Why would you need to take a long-distance shot? Well, ME. You live in the desert, you have the luxury of large open spaces with long visibility. Considering the competitions you went in, you had to have had at least one spring go out, and not necessarily magazine springs. How many years did you participate? It's older than the 500. Of course it's sold more. Of course they've had time to market themselves and plant their feet firmly in the market. Mossbergs are younger, and haven't had the same chances with marketing, being a latecomer to the competition. They don't care that the 500 has ambidextrous controls, more ergonomic slide release (with a conventional stock, anyway), two extractors, and plenty of options--they've already been using the 870. It's what they've had, and still have, and will likely keep because of tradition, until something SERIOUSLY better comes along, which won't happen for a while because pumpguns haven't exactly been very innovative. There isn't really much to innovate, other than magazines... And that currently hasn't been doing well, being uneconomical for the consumer. Simply, the 870 was designed as a hunting gun, and morphed into a combat gun. The 500 was designed as a combat gun, and morphed into a hunting gun. Drilled/Tapped recievers: Research sez not all 870s are drilled and tapped, only models set up specifically for it--they do offer a "saddle" mount that goes in with receiver pins that is supposedly good. Lots and lots of stories of people buggering-up their 870s trying to drill and tap them themselves like fools. Considering plans to use both slugs and shot, in their respective barrels, the saddle would be a better idea anyway (you can take the whole thing off quickly, and it'll mount in the same spot next time, meaning little re-zeroing) Just because it's there, I'm going to find a cheapy-cheap holosight, and then shoot it until to stops working. Just to say I have. Lorcins are cheaper. I've seen them NIB for under a hundred bucks. Lorcin DID go out of business, but I think they got bought by Raven Arms. Now Raven makes the same Lorcin guns for the same Lorcin price. I think it has to do with the speed of the bullet. Damn things can break Mach 3. It saw you. Good luck running from something that can hit 30MPH. Three years. Even then, only extractor springs, and only one or two. I never saw a magazine go bad, except when it was explosive. And I never saw a buffer spring go out, either. So did the 1897, and the M2 turned out to be a pretty good sniper rifle. What's your point? The saddle mount looked suspicious to me. It uses the take-down pins to hold itself in place, so every time you clean the gun, you have to re-zero? Sounds shitty. Wanna buy an expensive holosight that'll last you a lifetime? My car just ate s**t and I need money bad. Got an EOTech I'm willing to part with. The C9 MSRPs at around $100. Wasn't Raven ARms even WORSE than Lorcin? I hope they're using the same machining. It's still odd, because x54R IS louder, or at least seemingly. I'd think the buffer spring would need replacement as often as any other springs might, since it's used very, very often. It's missing some key features for a good combat pumpgun. The slide release is awkward to use with the trigger hand (on the 500, you move your middle finger up a thumb's width and push the lever, and that releases the slide without changing your grip), and the crossbolt is awkward for lefties (and plenty of righties. I hate the ******** out of crossbolt safeties because they are hard to use with the single hand. The tang safety, on the other hand, is very easy to use without changing your grip, and works for both left and right handers) If you leave the scope on the rails, you shouldn't need to have to re-zero much more than an inch or two, since it mounts in the same place every time, rather than having to replace the scope on the rail in the exact same spot. And it can be done in the field, possibly. I'm poooor. And I don't have anything to mount it on, anyway. I'm considering trying out one of those Crossman airgun holosights on my M1600, though. The only thing with a mounting rail, and that's a .22 dovetail.
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:26 pm
uryu ishida Fresnel uryu ishida That's blasphemy. The epitome is Hi-Point, because they still work. They're just hella blockier. (AKA: ******** HUEG SLIDES) I'm actually surprised Lorcin is still in business, with the SNS legislation that's been about. I practice and practice more. I can ALMOST hit a human-sized target at 100 yards (not much of any semblance of accuracy, just hitting it at all) with the PT1911, and I can reliably hit melons and cantaloupes <17 yards. I could do better with something in 9mm, but practice makes better. I've noticed this. WHY, is what I'm trying to figure out, considering I feel the boom more from the .308, it just doesn't seem as loud. Why would you need to take a long-distance shot? Well, ME. You live in the desert, you have the luxury of large open spaces with long visibility. Considering the competitions you went in, you had to have had at least one spring go out, and not necessarily magazine springs. How many years did you participate? It's older than the 500. Of course it's sold more. Of course they've had time to market themselves and plant their feet firmly in the market. Mossbergs are younger, and haven't had the same chances with marketing, being a latecomer to the competition. They don't care that the 500 has ambidextrous controls, more ergonomic slide release (with a conventional stock, anyway), two extractors, and plenty of options--they've already been using the 870. It's what they've had, and still have, and will likely keep because of tradition, until something SERIOUSLY better comes along, which won't happen for a while because pumpguns haven't exactly been very innovative. There isn't really much to innovate, other than magazines... And that currently hasn't been doing well, being uneconomical for the consumer. Simply, the 870 was designed as a hunting gun, and morphed into a combat gun. The 500 was designed as a combat gun, and morphed into a hunting gun. Drilled/Tapped recievers: Research sez not all 870s are drilled and tapped, only models set up specifically for it--they do offer a "saddle" mount that goes in with receiver pins that is supposedly good. Lots and lots of stories of people buggering-up their 870s trying to drill and tap them themselves like fools. Considering plans to use both slugs and shot, in their respective barrels, the saddle would be a better idea anyway (you can take the whole thing off quickly, and it'll mount in the same spot next time, meaning little re-zeroing) Just because it's there, I'm going to find a cheapy-cheap holosight, and then shoot it until to stops working. Just to say I have. Lorcins are cheaper. I've seen them NIB for under a hundred bucks. Lorcin DID go out of business, but I think they got bought by Raven Arms. Now Raven makes the same Lorcin guns for the same Lorcin price. I think it has to do with the speed of the bullet. Damn things can break Mach 3. It saw you. Good luck running from something that can hit 30MPH. Three years. Even then, only extractor springs, and only one or two. I never saw a magazine go bad, except when it was explosive. And I never saw a buffer spring go out, either. So did the 1897, and the M2 turned out to be a pretty good sniper rifle. What's your point? The saddle mount looked suspicious to me. It uses the take-down pins to hold itself in place, so every time you clean the gun, you have to re-zero? Sounds shitty. Wanna buy an expensive holosight that'll last you a lifetime? My car just ate s**t and I need money bad. Got an EOTech I'm willing to part with. The C9 MSRPs at around $100. Wasn't Raven ARms even WORSE than Lorcin? I hope they're using the same machining. On the Lorcin L-25 "This is a poorly made pistol. It is made from cheap aluminum and steel and jams quite frequently. Before some basic modifications, this model could barely fire off all of its seven round magazine before stove-piping. This gun was made at Lorcin Engineering in California before they filed bankruptcy on account of numerous claims over bodily harm from misfires and malfunctions. It still sells today as a very cheap pistol - you can normally get this for $60-$80. In addition, according to armed crime reports, it ranks as the third most used pistol in armed robbery and crime. I have owned this pistol for quite some time and although I criticize it, it is great for pocket sized close range protection." Worth noting: It's now #1 by a rather large margin (more than twice that of the second-place), and the Raven .25ACP pistol that replaced it is #3. How's that for assault rifles? Quote: It's still odd, because x54R IS louder, or at least seemingly. Duh, it's RUSSIAN. xd Quote: I'd think the buffer spring would need replacement as often as any other springs might, since it's used very, very often. It's a rather thick spring, though, and it's pretty long when you take it out. Maybe those have something to do with it. Quote: It's missing some key features for a good combat pumpgun. The slide release is awkward to use with the trigger hand (on the 500, you move your middle finger up a thumb's width and push the lever, and that releases the slide without changing your grip), and the crossbolt is awkward for lefties (and plenty of righties. I hate the ******** out of crossbolt safeties because they are hard to use with the single hand. The tang safety, on the other hand, is very easy to use without changing your grip, and works for both left and right handers) The Mossberg safety fails with a pistol grip though. Safeties are overrated, though. Revolvers have no safeties, never have, and they work perfectly fine. I do agree that the slide release is sucky, but how often do you have to use it? You might argue you want to load in a different round, but without the Benelli-style magazine feed disconnect, it'll jam up feeding a second shell in. Quote: If you leave the scope on the rails, you shouldn't need to have to re-zero much more than an inch or two, since it mounts in the same place every time, rather than having to replace the scope on the rail in the exact same spot. And it can be done in the field, possibly. The scope mounts on the rails, yeah, but the rails may not match up on where the mount on the gun. Also, those mounts are plastic. I'm suspicious that they wobble side to side slightly when the gun moves, throwing off your point of aim. Besides that though, EOTechs claim to be re-mountable to 1MOA or so, depending on the battery it takes (and thus the length of the unit). Quote: I'm poooor. And I don't have anything to mount it on, anyway. I'm considering trying out one of those Crossman airgun holosights on my M1600, though. The only thing with a mounting rail, and that's a .22 dovetail. Guess $500 is out of your price range then. xd You could do what I did... Wal-Mart sells these shitty Daisy red-dot scopes for $7. They work decently well, don't drift too notably (especially at shotgun/air rifle distances), the batteries last a couple days continuous-on... though they might not stand up to seven rounds of 00 buck, they survive .177 pretty well.
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:06 pm
Fresnel uryu ishida Fresnel uryu ishida That's blasphemy. The epitome is Hi-Point, because they still work. They're just hella blockier. (AKA: ******** HUEG SLIDES) I'm actually surprised Lorcin is still in business, with the SNS legislation that's been about. I practice and practice more. I can ALMOST hit a human-sized target at 100 yards (not much of any semblance of accuracy, just hitting it at all) with the PT1911, and I can reliably hit melons and cantaloupes <17 yards. I could do better with something in 9mm, but practice makes better. I've noticed this. WHY, is what I'm trying to figure out, considering I feel the boom more from the .308, it just doesn't seem as loud. Why would you need to take a long-distance shot? Well, ME. You live in the desert, you have the luxury of large open spaces with long visibility. Considering the competitions you went in, you had to have had at least one spring go out, and not necessarily magazine springs. How many years did you participate? It's older than the 500. Of course it's sold more. Of course they've had time to market themselves and plant their feet firmly in the market. Mossbergs are younger, and haven't had the same chances with marketing, being a latecomer to the competition. They don't care that the 500 has ambidextrous controls, more ergonomic slide release (with a conventional stock, anyway), two extractors, and plenty of options--they've already been using the 870. It's what they've had, and still have, and will likely keep because of tradition, until something SERIOUSLY better comes along, which won't happen for a while because pumpguns haven't exactly been very innovative. There isn't really much to innovate, other than magazines... And that currently hasn't been doing well, being uneconomical for the consumer. Simply, the 870 was designed as a hunting gun, and morphed into a combat gun. The 500 was designed as a combat gun, and morphed into a hunting gun. Drilled/Tapped recievers: Research sez not all 870s are drilled and tapped, only models set up specifically for it--they do offer a "saddle" mount that goes in with receiver pins that is supposedly good. Lots and lots of stories of people buggering-up their 870s trying to drill and tap them themselves like fools. Considering plans to use both slugs and shot, in their respective barrels, the saddle would be a better idea anyway (you can take the whole thing off quickly, and it'll mount in the same spot next time, meaning little re-zeroing) Just because it's there, I'm going to find a cheapy-cheap holosight, and then shoot it until to stops working. Just to say I have. Lorcins are cheaper. I've seen them NIB for under a hundred bucks. Lorcin DID go out of business, but I think they got bought by Raven Arms. Now Raven makes the same Lorcin guns for the same Lorcin price. I think it has to do with the speed of the bullet. Damn things can break Mach 3. It saw you. Good luck running from something that can hit 30MPH. Three years. Even then, only extractor springs, and only one or two. I never saw a magazine go bad, except when it was explosive. And I never saw a buffer spring go out, either. So did the 1897, and the M2 turned out to be a pretty good sniper rifle. What's your point? The saddle mount looked suspicious to me. It uses the take-down pins to hold itself in place, so every time you clean the gun, you have to re-zero? Sounds shitty. Wanna buy an expensive holosight that'll last you a lifetime? My car just ate s**t and I need money bad. Got an EOTech I'm willing to part with. The C9 MSRPs at around $100. Wasn't Raven ARms even WORSE than Lorcin? I hope they're using the same machining. On the Lorcin L-25 "This is a poorly made pistol. It is made from cheap aluminum and steel and jams quite frequently. Before some basic modifications, this model could barely fire off all of its seven round magazine before stove-piping. This gun was made at Lorcin Engineering in California before they filed bankruptcy on account of numerous claims over bodily harm from misfires and malfunctions. It still sells today as a very cheap pistol - you can normally get this for $60-$80. In addition, according to armed crime reports, it ranks as the third most used pistol in armed robbery and crime. I have owned this pistol for quite some time and although I criticize it, it is great for pocket sized close range protection." Worth noting: It's now #1 by a rather large margin (more than twice that of the second-place), and the Raven .25ACP pistol that replaced it is #3. How's that for assault rifles? Quote: It's still odd, because x54R IS louder, or at least seemingly. Duh, it's RUSSIAN. xd Quote: I'd think the buffer spring would need replacement as often as any other springs might, since it's used very, very often. It's a rather thick spring, though, and it's pretty long when you take it out. Maybe those have something to do with it. Quote: It's missing some key features for a good combat pumpgun. The slide release is awkward to use with the trigger hand (on the 500, you move your middle finger up a thumb's width and push the lever, and that releases the slide without changing your grip), and the crossbolt is awkward for lefties (and plenty of righties. I hate the ******** out of crossbolt safeties because they are hard to use with the single hand. The tang safety, on the other hand, is very easy to use without changing your grip, and works for both left and right handers) The Mossberg safety fails with a pistol grip though. Safeties are overrated, though. Revolvers have no safeties, never have, and they work perfectly fine. I do agree that the slide release is sucky, but how often do you have to use it? You might argue you want to load in a different round, but without the Benelli-style magazine feed disconnect, it'll jam up feeding a second shell in. Quote: If you leave the scope on the rails, you shouldn't need to have to re-zero much more than an inch or two, since it mounts in the same place every time, rather than having to replace the scope on the rail in the exact same spot. And it can be done in the field, possibly. The scope mounts on the rails, yeah, but the rails may not match up on where the mount on the gun. Also, those mounts are plastic. I'm suspicious that they wobble side to side slightly when the gun moves, throwing off your point of aim. Besides that though, EOTechs claim to be re-mountable to 1MOA or so, depending on the battery it takes (and thus the length of the unit). Quote: I'm poooor. And I don't have anything to mount it on, anyway. I'm considering trying out one of those Crossman airgun holosights on my M1600, though. The only thing with a mounting rail, and that's a .22 dovetail. Guess $500 is out of your price range then. xd You could do what I did... Wal-Mart sells these shitty Daisy red-dot scopes for $7. They work decently well, don't drift too notably (especially at shotgun/air rifle distances), the batteries last a couple days continuous-on... though they might not stand up to seven rounds of 00 buck, they survive .177 pretty well. What year? I know in '06, the generic S7W .36 revolver was top, probably because they are everywhere, and thus get stolen a lot. That explains the four-foot fireball, but not the BOOOOOOM. Or maybe it does. Stupid NATO and their wimpiness. Is RIFLE! Is supposed to be LOUD! INTIMIDATING! It should still wear out. how many rounds do you think you have through it? I've seen them fail, but these were high-round count guns. Serious high-rounds, something like 100k rounds. Pistolgrips ******** up controls on ANYTHING specifically designed for a conventional stock. And vice-versa, I'd wager. Jam the new round in first (unless you have a full magazine) then pump it again. It also depends on the mode of carry. Some places require a locked, empty chamber. Cruiser-carry is an unlocked empty chamber. hunters are all personal. But can you un-mount and re-mount the EOTech quickly, possibly in the field? The beggest draw to the saddle is that it isn't really permanent, and it's quick and easy to change back and forth. $500 is WAY out. If I have that much, I'm car shopping, or at least bargaining. If that fails, I'm putting a downpayment on an FAL. That's the one I was thinking of for the M1600, because that's cheaper than paying for a full front sight base with shipping. I mistook the brand, though. I thought they were Crossman. Well, I'll grab one eventually, and try it out on the M1600 and see how well it handles .22LR.
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:28 pm
uryu ishida Fresnel uryu ishida Fresnel uryu ishida That's blasphemy. The epitome is Hi-Point, because they still work. They're just hella blockier. (AKA: ******** HUEG SLIDES) I'm actually surprised Lorcin is still in business, with the SNS legislation that's been about. I practice and practice more. I can ALMOST hit a human-sized target at 100 yards (not much of any semblance of accuracy, just hitting it at all) with the PT1911, and I can reliably hit melons and cantaloupes <17 yards. I could do better with something in 9mm, but practice makes better. I've noticed this. WHY, is what I'm trying to figure out, considering I feel the boom more from the .308, it just doesn't seem as loud. Why would you need to take a long-distance shot? Well, ME. You live in the desert, you have the luxury of large open spaces with long visibility. Considering the competitions you went in, you had to have had at least one spring go out, and not necessarily magazine springs. How many years did you participate? It's older than the 500. Of course it's sold more. Of course they've had time to market themselves and plant their feet firmly in the market. Mossbergs are younger, and haven't had the same chances with marketing, being a latecomer to the competition. They don't care that the 500 has ambidextrous controls, more ergonomic slide release (with a conventional stock, anyway), two extractors, and plenty of options--they've already been using the 870. It's what they've had, and still have, and will likely keep because of tradition, until something SERIOUSLY better comes along, which won't happen for a while because pumpguns haven't exactly been very innovative. There isn't really much to innovate, other than magazines... And that currently hasn't been doing well, being uneconomical for the consumer. Simply, the 870 was designed as a hunting gun, and morphed into a combat gun. The 500 was designed as a combat gun, and morphed into a hunting gun. Drilled/Tapped recievers: Research sez not all 870s are drilled and tapped, only models set up specifically for it--they do offer a "saddle" mount that goes in with receiver pins that is supposedly good. Lots and lots of stories of people buggering-up their 870s trying to drill and tap them themselves like fools. Considering plans to use both slugs and shot, in their respective barrels, the saddle would be a better idea anyway (you can take the whole thing off quickly, and it'll mount in the same spot next time, meaning little re-zeroing) Just because it's there, I'm going to find a cheapy-cheap holosight, and then shoot it until to stops working. Just to say I have. Lorcins are cheaper. I've seen them NIB for under a hundred bucks. Lorcin DID go out of business, but I think they got bought by Raven Arms. Now Raven makes the same Lorcin guns for the same Lorcin price. I think it has to do with the speed of the bullet. Damn things can break Mach 3. It saw you. Good luck running from something that can hit 30MPH. Three years. Even then, only extractor springs, and only one or two. I never saw a magazine go bad, except when it was explosive. And I never saw a buffer spring go out, either. So did the 1897, and the M2 turned out to be a pretty good sniper rifle. What's your point? The saddle mount looked suspicious to me. It uses the take-down pins to hold itself in place, so every time you clean the gun, you have to re-zero? Sounds shitty. Wanna buy an expensive holosight that'll last you a lifetime? My car just ate s**t and I need money bad. Got an EOTech I'm willing to part with. The C9 MSRPs at around $100. Wasn't Raven ARms even WORSE than Lorcin? I hope they're using the same machining. On the Lorcin L-25 "This is a poorly made pistol. It is made from cheap aluminum and steel and jams quite frequently. Before some basic modifications, this model could barely fire off all of its seven round magazine before stove-piping. This gun was made at Lorcin Engineering in California before they filed bankruptcy on account of numerous claims over bodily harm from misfires and malfunctions. It still sells today as a very cheap pistol - you can normally get this for $60-$80. In addition, according to armed crime reports, it ranks as the third most used pistol in armed robbery and crime. I have owned this pistol for quite some time and although I criticize it, it is great for pocket sized close range protection." Worth noting: It's now #1 by a rather large margin (more than twice that of the second-place), and the Raven .25ACP pistol that replaced it is #3. How's that for assault rifles? Quote: It's still odd, because x54R IS louder, or at least seemingly. Duh, it's RUSSIAN. xd Quote: I'd think the buffer spring would need replacement as often as any other springs might, since it's used very, very often. It's a rather thick spring, though, and it's pretty long when you take it out. Maybe those have something to do with it. Quote: It's missing some key features for a good combat pumpgun. The slide release is awkward to use with the trigger hand (on the 500, you move your middle finger up a thumb's width and push the lever, and that releases the slide without changing your grip), and the crossbolt is awkward for lefties (and plenty of righties. I hate the ******** out of crossbolt safeties because they are hard to use with the single hand. The tang safety, on the other hand, is very easy to use without changing your grip, and works for both left and right handers) The Mossberg safety fails with a pistol grip though. Safeties are overrated, though. Revolvers have no safeties, never have, and they work perfectly fine. I do agree that the slide release is sucky, but how often do you have to use it? You might argue you want to load in a different round, but without the Benelli-style magazine feed disconnect, it'll jam up feeding a second shell in. Quote: If you leave the scope on the rails, you shouldn't need to have to re-zero much more than an inch or two, since it mounts in the same place every time, rather than having to replace the scope on the rail in the exact same spot. And it can be done in the field, possibly. The scope mounts on the rails, yeah, but the rails may not match up on where the mount on the gun. Also, those mounts are plastic. I'm suspicious that they wobble side to side slightly when the gun moves, throwing off your point of aim. Besides that though, EOTechs claim to be re-mountable to 1MOA or so, depending on the battery it takes (and thus the length of the unit). Quote: I'm poooor. And I don't have anything to mount it on, anyway. I'm considering trying out one of those Crossman airgun holosights on my M1600, though. The only thing with a mounting rail, and that's a .22 dovetail. Guess $500 is out of your price range then. xd You could do what I did... Wal-Mart sells these shitty Daisy red-dot scopes for $7. They work decently well, don't drift too notably (especially at shotgun/air rifle distances), the batteries last a couple days continuous-on... though they might not stand up to seven rounds of 00 buck, they survive .177 pretty well. What year? I know in '06, the generic S7W .36 revolver was top, probably because they are everywhere, and thus get stolen a lot. That explains the four-foot fireball, but not the BOOOOOOM. Or maybe it does. Stupid NATO and their wimpiness. Is RIFLE! Is supposed to be LOUD! INTIMIDATING! It should still wear out. how many rounds do you think you have through it? I've seen them fail, but these were high-round count guns. Serious high-rounds, something like 100k rounds. Pistolgrips ******** up controls on ANYTHING specifically designed for a conventional stock. And vice-versa, I'd wager. Jam the new round in first (unless you have a full magazine) then pump it again. It also depends on the mode of carry. Some places require a locked, empty chamber. Cruiser-carry is an unlocked empty chamber. hunters are all personal. But can you un-mount and re-mount the EOTech quickly, possibly in the field? The beggest draw to the saddle is that it isn't really permanent, and it's quick and easy to change back and forth. $500 is WAY out. If I have that much, I'm car shopping, or at least bargaining. If that fails, I'm putting a downpayment on an FAL. That's the one I was thinking of for the M1600, because that's cheaper than paying for a full front sight base with shipping. I mistook the brand, though. I thought they were Crossman. Well, I'll grab one eventually, and try it out on the M1600 and see how well it handles .22LR. Umm... jeez, recently. '08? '09? I think there was a .38 or a .380 in the #2 slot. I forget #4 as well, but #5 was actually the Mossberg 500. Sometimes I think the Russians had it right. 10k? Dunno, not enough for a second barrel. Some of those guns had been around for a decade or so so they probably have 75k+ rounds through the springs. Except Remington. The button is just as easy to reach from a pistol grip as it is from a Monte Carlo. If you have a nickel, yeah. It's got a thumbscrew with a coin slot to break it and tighten it up again. xd I figured as much. It's a .223-oriented scope anyway. I bought it for a .22, but my Winchester 190 busted right when I got it. Though I found out this guy I do handyman work for owns a 190. I might pay him something to filch the part long enough to get a new one manufactured... when I have some cash, that is.
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:58 pm
Where to begin... oh yeah, if you really want to know more about me just check my profile.
Anyway, love zombie movies/books/games/discussions/etc..
Fav Zombie Movie: Shaun of the Dead
Fav Zombie Book: I Am Legend, but nothing trumps the Guide, of course.
Fav Zombie game: Resident Evil series.
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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:34 pm
Manguusu Fav Zombie Book: I Am Legend, but nothing trumps the Guide, of course. The Guide is Twilight for guys. neutral
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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:16 pm
Shrantic Manguusu Fav Zombie Book: I Am Legend, but nothing trumps the Guide, of course. The Guide is Twilight for guys. neutral The Guide is worse than Twilight for guys. So far as I know, no one has completely changed their lives to rotate around the happenings or potential happenings in Twilight.
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:57 pm
Czar Josef XIII Shrantic Manguusu Fav Zombie Book: I Am Legend, but nothing trumps the Guide, of course. The Guide is Twilight for guys. neutral The Guide is worse than Twilight for guys. So far as I know, no one has completely changed their lives to rotate around the happenings or potential happenings in Twilight. That's because when men obsess over something, they do it goddamn right.
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:08 pm
Shrantic Czar Josef XIII Shrantic Manguusu Fav Zombie Book: I Am Legend, but nothing trumps the Guide, of course. The Guide is Twilight for guys. neutral The Guide is worse than Twilight for guys. So far as I know, no one has completely changed their lives to rotate around the happenings or potential happenings in Twilight. That's because when men obsess over something, they do it goddamn right. *sigh* Has Manguusu's bones been cleaned yet? I need to take out the trash.
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:46 pm
Shrantic Czar Josef XIII Shrantic Manguusu Fav Zombie Book: I Am Legend, but nothing trumps the Guide, of course. The Guide is Twilight for guys. neutral The Guide is worse than Twilight for guys. So far as I know, no one has completely changed their lives to rotate around the happenings or potential happenings in Twilight. That's because when men obsess over something, they do it goddamn right. Damn women, with their romance novels. Let's start making sexist jokes against our better inhibitions.
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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:09 pm
Hi Hi! I'm always ready for the zombie apocalypse and am currently preparing the rest of my friends for its inevitibility!
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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:12 pm
Don't think that men are the only one's preparing for the zombie apocalypse! Women are just not as prone to believing it as men are. I'm a rarity! wink
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