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nickjonas3lifebdsfsxf

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:24 pm


Percy can die.

I think Arthur would probably have issues killing someone, regardless if he killed in the first war in the past. And if he kills Lucius, I don't think that he'd be happy necessarily afterwards... I mean, who's happy after they kill someone? Besides Voldemort, of course. And some Death Eaters. Arthur would be upset that he had to take Lucius' life, but it would be one of those situations that if Arthur didn't, than Lucius would've. That's how I picture it going.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:31 pm


I can't see Arthur killing Lucius - or at least, I can't see him killing Lucius and being able to live with himself afterwards. From what Arthur says about the first war in GoF, his memories of the time are filled with fear, violence and hatred, and he's fighting for the good side so that his kids don't have to live through that. Why, then, would he intentionally kill someone, knowing what kind of emotional and mental impact violence - especially intentional violence - can have on someone? Why would he as a father wish that knowledge on his kids?

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:11 am


I think that Lucius will be rescued from Azkaban by Voldemort, but will die sometime in the book. And as for Arther killing Lucius, yes I don't think it's in his character. But if your in a battle and only think about not wanting to die and insuring your children's futures, I personally wouldn't be thinking about anything but winning and ending the Dark Lords rein of terror. So you would be using deadly curses. I do think it would be a very cool twist if he's the one who killed Lucius off though.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:22 pm


Rapio Obscurum
I think that Lucius will be rescued from Azkaban by Voldemort, but will die sometime in the book. And as for Arther killing Lucius, yes I don't think it's in his character. But if your in a battle and only think about not wanting to die and insuring your children's futures, I personally wouldn't be thinking about anything but winning and ending the Dark Lords rein of terror. So you would be using deadly curses. I do think it would be a very cool twist if he's the one who killed Lucius off though.

Aha! She agrees. ^^ I win.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:48 am


If Lucius is taken out of Azkaban it will be to kill him in front of other DE's to teach them a lesson. I think that's what Voldie would do. Well, it's at least what I would do.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:47 am


Diana_Faye
If Lucius is taken out of Azkaban it will be to kill him in front of other DE's to teach them a lesson. I think that's what Voldie would do. Well, it's at least what I would do.


I can see him punishing Lucius severely in front of Voldemort, but not killing him quite yet. Perhaps using him to get Draco to come out of hiding. Draco would bring Severus, naturally. (woah, there's an interesting pairing there...) Anyways, then Voldie can kill those two, who are all traitor-y. Then kill Lucius, now that he's served his purpose.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:50 am


Evs. At any rate Lucius is going to be killed by Voldie.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:15 pm


And this all concludes to my theory that Lucius will die. XD

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:15 pm


Diana_Faye
Evs. At any rate Lucius is going to be killed by Voldie.
I don't think so...Lucius is a useful sort of man to have around. Him and his wife have money, connections and power, and Voldemort would be a fool to give that up just to make a point. Remember, Voldemort's still a Slytherin - resourceful and cunning, willing to use whatever's at hand to win. Making a point is more in the Gryffindor domain, wouldn't you say?

I don't know if Lucius would die. I can't see a valid reason for it to happen. If someone can convince me that it's vital to preserve textual unity, I'd be willing to change my mind, but otherwise, I can't see any logical reason for it.

And I stand by what I said about Arthur not killing. Remember, to use an Unforgivable, you have to want to produce the effect, be it pain, mind control or death. Bellatrix laughs at Harry's Cruciatus and says, "Self-righteous anger won't hurt me for long..." (OotP), and Impostor!Moody tells his class that, even if they all pointed their wands at him and shouted Avada Kedavra, he very likely wouldn't get so much as a nosebleed. Arthur might be capable of the raw emotion required to put the force behind the curse, but as for the will to actually commit murder...? That's something else again.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:41 am


Well, say Lucius... I don't know... killed Percy. I think that in such a case, Arthur might honestly want for him to die. But in most cases, yes, I think you're right.

As for Lucius dying in the first place: I see no reason for it to happen, except in the case of 'Harry wins, Voldemort and all the Death Eaters die.'. And even then, Lucius might be slippery enough to avoid it.

I was just pointing out that, if Voldie were to kill him, that's how it should be done.

But I don't know if I agree with the idea that Voldemort wouldn't kill someone to make a point. The text suggests that he is willing to Crucio his followers to make a point. This is simply... a bigger point. And while Lucius used to be useful, with money and power, how much of that does he still have? He was put into Azkaban, that must have hurt his standing with Ministry officials, and whose to say that some of his wealth was not seized by them at the same time?

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:51 am


Do you really think that killing someone to make a point would be a Gryffindor thing to do? Slytherin's are very ambitious, and I don't think Voldemort is an acception to this prized characteristic, and if getting closer to killing Harry means sacrificing the life of Lucius Malfoy, than so be it. Lucius' high status is crumbling under his feet, and if Voldemort were to be killed now than it's hardly believable for Mr. Malfoy to say that he was once more put under the Imperius curse. If Arthur doesn't kill Lucius for revenge and if Voldemort doesn't kill him, than in the end, he's going to be sentenced to Azkaban are sentenced to death anyway.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:08 am


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Do you really think that killing someone to make a point would be a Gryffindor thing to do?


Yes, but I also think it can be a Slytherin thing, too. 'Use any means to acheive their ends' and all. But Gryffindors, no offense, aren't generally as sly and charismatic, and thus might have to resort to killing, not being able to make a point through threats or other subtle things.

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Slytherin's are very ambitious, and I don't think Voldemort is an acception to this prized characteristic, and if getting closer to killing Harry means sacrificing the life of Lucius Malfoy, than so be it. Lucius' high status is crumbling under his feet, and if Voldemort were to be killed now than it's hardly believable for Mr. Malfoy to say that he was once more put under the Imperius curse.


I agree, but I fail to see ho killing Lucius would help him get closer to Harry.

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If Arthur doesn't kill Lucius for revenge and if Voldemort doesn't kill him, than in the end, he's going to be sentenced to Azkaban are sentenced to death anyway.


Dementor's Kiss, more likely.

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nickjonas3lifebdsfsxf

PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:14 am


Empress_Kat
But Gryffindors, no offense, aren't generally as sly and charismatic, and thus might have to resort to killing, not being able to make a point through threats or other subtle things.


Although we aren't as sly as the Slytherins, I don't think Gryffindors would necessarily have to resort to killing. I think Gryffindors can have just as much charisma as a Slytherin, depending on the person.

Empress_Kat
I agree, but I fail to see how killing Lucius would help him get closer to Harry.


Well, what if Draco were to abandon the Death Eaters and Lucius is punished in his son's place to... show that the rest of those little buggers don't want to cross Voldemort. Display of power. Whatever whatever.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:04 pm


The Malfoys are an old family, and I'm guessing they haven't survived this long by crumbling when faced with a particularly nasty skeleton in the closet. If the good guys win this war, and especially if Draco turns to the good side and helps out (which might happen), the Malfoy name would be restored.

As for the money - remember, Narcissa was a Black, and they're very rich, and the Malfoys were well-off enough to make all those donations, live in a nice (inherited) manor house with a house elf and so on. I'm sure they've still got plenty of gold left.

Making a point by killing someone isn't the same as making a point by torturing them. When you torture someone, you're demonstrating the fact that their well-being - indeed, their life - is in your hands. It's a violent but still subtle method of bringing a point home because you leave the victim alive, reminding them that you could have ended their life, but chose not to. Once you kill someone, however, you lose that hold over them, and with it you lose the power you gained when you controlled their fate. It's not subtle or complex at all - it's a brute force demonstration, pure and simple, and very different from torture, which is a demonstration of an entirely different kind.

Finally, I think the Dementor's Kiss is pretty unlikely, as the good guys (the Order and the Trio) don't agree with the Ministry's former affiliation with the Death Eaters, and given that they're going to be the ones who eventually defeat Voldemort, they're going to have a pretty big influence over Ministry decisions for a very long time to come, just like Dumbledore, the man who defeated Grindelwald and stood up to Voldemort, use to have. But I still don't see Lucius dying. I see him not being able to get out of punishment this time - the Imperius alibi won't keep him out of jail second time around - but I don't see a death sentence happening at all. Azkaban? Yes. Capital punishment? Highly unlikely.

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nickjonas3lifebdsfsxf

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:00 pm


Why not capital punishment though? If Lucius is found guilty for being one of Voldemort's inner circle of Death Eaters, and a lot of the other Death Eaters die in the seventh book as I presume will happen, then a lot of deaths will be put on Lucius' shoulders whether or not he committed the crimes. Of course he's going to be punished, he has no more excuses left to get him out of the dirt. But, I don't think he's going to just be put in jail. If you're correct about DA having power of the ministry after Voldemort is defeated and Death Eaters are practically banned, then they won't be in the jails, either, and what's Azkaban then? Nothing more than a regular jail for witches and wizards, which isn't all that bad. Plus, I don't think that a system used for years and years can just be changed like that. It'll take time for the DA, even if they defeat Voldemort by themselves, to change the ministries opinions on how they run things.
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