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 Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 4:58 pm
I suppose the same can be said about God and our experience with Him. If it all turns out in the end that what we as Christians have experienced wasn't actually real, what matters is that right now, it is very real to us, and our experience of Jesus in our lives is very real, and the Holy Spirit's presence in our hearts is something we feel on a daily basis. So whether it's fake or real, to us it's real and that's all that matters. Hence why it's useless for anyone of another belief to dissuade us.
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 6:48 pm
Good point! Haha...
@Fushigi na Butterfly: I like reading your posts. xd They're interesting.
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 9:49 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly I suppose the same can be said about God and our experience with Him. If it all turns out in the end that what we as Christians have experienced wasn't actually real, what matters is that right now, it is very real to us, and our experience of Jesus in our lives is very real, and the Holy Spirit's presence in our hearts is something feel on a daily basis. So whether it's fake or real, to us it's real and that's all that matters. Hence why it's useless for anyone of another belief to dissuade us. So, then to say that God is like color... God doesn't really exist out there in the "real" world, it's just how some part of our brain processes what we see and think and feel into a "presence" that we label God. And then once we have a name for it, we'll start subconsciously LOOKING for things that make us feel that "presence" again and take it as further proof that this "presence" exists. When, all along, the only real part of this was in your own mind. Intriguing thoughts, no?
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 7:09 pm
Hmm ... interesting point.
And @s0prano42_x3: thanks. xd I try to keep 'em that way. 3nodding
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:52 pm
And I thought I killed this thread. lol. Maybe I'm too intellectual for my own good. heart
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:15 pm
Do things just exist by consensus, then?
For instance, any thing could be a hallucination but if I can see, hear, touch, smell, and taste something and everyone else can too, then by consensus it exists.
Does that mean that things that we consider crazy or optional actually might exist by majority?
It can't work for saying God exists because belief in God is faith-based, no one has actually touched, smelled, or tasted God. And even then a majority has not actually seen or heard Him.
But something like abduction by aliens. If a majority of people say that they have been abducted by aliens and have memories of it and these cannot be attributed to mental instability or outside factors, does that mean aliens exist and abduct people, by consensus?
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 6:48 pm
Captain_Theoretical Do things just exist by consensus, then? For instance, any thing could be a hallucination but if I can see, hear, touch, smell, and taste something and everyone else can too, then by consensus it exists. Does that mean that things that we consider crazy or optional actually might exist by majority? It can't work for saying God exists because belief in God is faith-based, no one has actually touched, smelled, or tasted God. And even then a majority has not actually seen or heard Him. But something like abduction by aliens. If a majority of people say that they have been abducted by aliens and have memories of it and these cannot be attributed to mental instability or outside factors, does that mean aliens exist and abduct people, by consensus? Of course not. The world is logical, despite what people believe. Just because the majority of people once believed the world was flat, that doesn't make it any flatter.
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 9:18 pm
Lethkhar The world is logical, despite what people believe. Just because the majority of people once believed the world was flat, that doesn't make it any flatter. Of course the world is logical. That doesn't mean it has to make sense. all beliefs can be affected by knowledge. Unfortunately, what we're arguing out here doesn't have someone on the other side to give us more knowledge. Anyhow, another thought I had on this topic... what if the material world is the ONLY thing that exists? That heaven and hell are really located on earth somewhere, but as humans we can't see or feel them? That we could be walking right through a spiritual war and not feel a thing? Or would that be further proof that we DON'T exist? *ponders*
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 9:45 pm
Quote: Of course not. The world is logical, despite what people believe. Just because the majority of people once believed the world was flat, that doesn't make it any flatter. But the world being flat is conceptual. I mean believing in a physical experience, one that you personally have absolute faith in because you felt it with all (or most, because taste is usually innapropriate) of your senses. Quote: Anyhow, another thought I had on this topic... what if the material world is the ONLY thing that exists? That heaven and hell are really located on earth somewhere, but as humans we can't see or feel them? That we could be walking right through a spiritual war and not feel a thing? Or would that be further proof that we DON'T exist? *ponders* I got two words for you: parallel universes. Yeah. Think about that. stare
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 11:06 pm
Captain_Theoretical Quote: Of course not. The world is logical, despite what people believe. Just because the majority of people once believed the world was flat, that doesn't make it any flatter. But the world being flat is conceptual. I mean believing in a physical experience, one that you personally have absolute faith in because you felt it with all (or most, because taste is usually innapropriate) of your senses. So you're simply saying that peoples' beliefs are determined by their knowledge? That's self-evident. I agree with you.
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 9:25 pm
Captain_Theoretical I got two words for you: parallel universes. Yeah. Think about that. stare But how many? I mean, are we talking just one or two, or is it the theory that everything every person does creates another universe for the thing they didn't do? Because then that brings up the question that if God knows all, then does he know which action we were going to take? And is he just in the one continuous universe, or in them all? Which one is the continuous universe? And which one are we in now? Yeah, I'm WAY too intellectual for my own good. Here's a strange thought. Maybe God lives in a black hole. Maybe the reason nothing can get back out is because nothing is MEANT to. They're portals to the spiritual realms. Discussion on my strange ideals welcome. xd
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 3:00 am
ryuu_chan Captain_Theoretical I got two words for you: parallel universes. Yeah. Think about that. stare But how many? I mean, are we talking just one or two, or is it the theory that everything every person does creates another universe for the thing they didn't do? Because then that brings up the question that if God knows all, then does he know which action we were going to take? And is he just in the one continuous universe, or in them all? Which one is the continuous universe? And which one are we in now? Yeah, I'm WAY too intellectual for my own good. Here's a strange thought. Maybe God lives in a black hole. Maybe the reason nothing can get back out is because nothing is MEANT to. They're portals to the spiritual realms. Discussion on my strange ideals welcome. xd Nonsense. You can NEVER be too intellectual. Well, you can theoretically create a black hole. I mean, it's really just something so massive that its force of gravity is so strong light can't escape from it, such as certain collapsed stars. So if your theory's correct, we could create a portal to the spirit world. That's pretty kick-a**. xd
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 6:40 am
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 12:36 pm
Lethkhar ryuu_chan Captain_Theoretical I got two words for you: parallel universes. Yeah. Think about that. stare But how many? I mean, are we talking just one or two, or is it the theory that everything every person does creates another universe for the thing they didn't do? Because then that brings up the question that if God knows all, then does he know which action we were going to take? And is he just in the one continuous universe, or in them all? Which one is the continuous universe? And which one are we in now? Yeah, I'm WAY too intellectual for my own good. Here's a strange thought. Maybe God lives in a black hole. Maybe the reason nothing can get back out is because nothing is MEANT to. They're portals to the spiritual realms. Discussion on my strange ideals welcome. xd Nonsense. You can NEVER be too intellectual. Well, you can theoretically create a black hole. I mean, it's really just something so massive that its force of gravity is so strong light can't escape from it, such as certain collapsed stars. So if your theory's correct, we could create a portal to the spirit world. That's pretty kick-a**. xd
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 10:21 am
Hahaha... whoa. xd
Well... wait... isn't the Bermuda Triangle the place where there's, like, gases from the center of the Earth that escape into the atmosphere and make these big bubbles and the gases cause planes to crash? Because that's what I heard, somewhere.
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