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 Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 8:34 am
tangerine-tiger Hermonie Urameshi I like that The Corrs sang two Irish songs in Irish for their CD Home. 3nodding ya,and our eurovision song is by a proper irish band,dunno if it's as gaeilge though.........anybody know? our eurovision song is 4m sligo, my home county(and urs tangerine-tiger biggrin ) DERVISH!
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 5:05 am
savotage tangerine-tiger Hermonie Urameshi I like that The Corrs sang two Irish songs in Irish for their CD Home. 3nodding ya,and our eurovision song is by a proper irish band,dunno if it's as gaeilge though.........anybody know? our eurovision song is 4m sligo, my home county(and urs tangerine-tiger biggrin ) DERVISH! lol,didnt recoginse you ther!you changed your name and all!!
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:58 am
I think Irish should be taught the same way as the modern languages, it shouldn't be taught until secondary and you should be able to choose it instead of German or french. when children are thought it in primary they get confused and its often not thought properly. I'm in second year and I'm doing German. If I compare how much I know in Irish and how much I know in German then I know more Irish but not much more, I mean I've been doing German for 2 years and Irish for 10 and I know nearly as much German as Irish. Also the Irish I know isn't learnt very well where as the German is. If Irish was thought at a later age I think people would do a lot better and also not hate the subject as much.
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 10:58 am
Ceryini I think Irish should be taught the same way as the modern languages, it shouldn't be taught until secondary and you should be able to choose it instead of German or French. when children are thought it in primary they get confused and its often not thought properly. I'm in second year and I'm doing German. If I compare how much I know in Irish and how much I know in German then I know more Irish but not much more, I mean I've been doing German for 2 years and Irish for 10 and I know nearly as much German as Irish. Also the Irish I know isn't learnt very well where as the German is. If Irish was thought at a later age I think people would do a lot better and also not hate the subject as much. i think you are 100% right,if it is taught,it needs to be done properly...i mean,i don't know Irish grammar,but i know the word for sandwich.. whereas in French i can form verbs,tenses and proper grammar..... tis a twisted cycle.but Irish cant be taught like that because no-one would choose it as it isn't recognized globally as a foreign language to get into uni i'd say.
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 5:27 pm
Ceryini I think Irish should be taught the same way as the modern languages, it shouldn't be taught until secondary and you should be able to choose it instead of German or french. when children are thought it in primary they get confused and its often not thought properly. I'm in second year and I'm doing German. If I compare how much I know in Irish and how much I know in German then I know more Irish but not much more, I mean I've been doing German for 2 years and Irish for 10 and I know nearly as much German as Irish. Also the Irish I know isn't learnt very well where as the German is. If Irish was thought at a later age I think people would do a lot better and also not hate the subject as much. Ja, but the thing is, the younger a person is, the greater compacity they have for launguages. My neice is only just turnin three, and she can speak a little bit of German, French, Spanish, and she can sign out some ASL. We speak those those launguages to her at an inconstent rate. Imagine if we spoke to her in those launguages all of the time. Ich spreche Deutsch auch. I'm in my second year of it, but I have to retake it... sad
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 9:47 am
There is use in learning Latin. If you learn Latin, you can learn Spannish, French and Italian easier. I have a friend who's first language is Spannish and she finds French easy. I also have a friend who's first language is Italian and she can understand Spannish and finds French easy too! They're all related.
While on the other hand Irish is meant to be one of the most difficult languages. They're beginning to focus more on teaching Irish orally (sp?) than in grammar, which makes more sense. I still strongly agree that it shouldn't be compulsory. You guys are right it isn't taught properly in primary school.
The least that I want is to not have it compulsory for Leaving Certificate. I had my Irish oral the other day and it couldn't ahve gone worse, my Irish teacher started asking me about school rules and I had no idea and I just read a sign on the far side of the classroom. While my French oral (French isn't taught well in my school but I find it easier) couldn't have gone better I flew through it!
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 3:22 am
L o l l i There is use in learning Latin. If you learn Latin, you can learn Spannish, French and Italian easier. I have a friend who's first language is Spannish and she finds French easy. I also have a friend who's first language is Italian and she can understand Spannish and finds French easy too! They're all related.
While on the other hand Irish is meant to be one of the most difficult languages. They're beginning to focus more on teaching Irish orally (sp?) than in grammar, which makes more sense. I still strongly agree that it shouldn't be compulsory. You guys are right it isn't taught properly in primary school.
The least that I want is to not have it compulsory for Leaving Certificate. I had my Irish oral the other day and it couldn't ahve gone worse, my Irish teacher started asking me about school rules and I had no idea and I just read a sign on the far side of the classroom. While my French oral (French isn't taught well in my school but I find it easier) couldn't have gone better I flew through it! I'm dreading my Irish orals next year for the lc,but French not so much.. the only place I'll get marks in the lc for Irish is the aural.
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 10:52 am
tangerine-tiger Ceryini I think Irish should be taught the same way as the modern languages, it shouldn't be taught until secondary and you should be able to choose it instead of German or French. when children are thought it in primary they get confused and its often not thought properly. I'm in second year and I'm doing German. If I compare how much I know in Irish and how much I know in German then I know more Irish but not much more, I mean I've been doing German for 2 years and Irish for 10 and I know nearly as much German as Irish. Also the Irish I know isn't learnt very well where as the German is. If Irish was thought at a later age I think people would do a lot better and also not hate the subject as much. i think you are 100% right,if it is taught,it needs to be done properly...i mean,i don't know Irish grammar,but i know the word for sandwich.. whereas in French i can form verbs,tenses and proper grammar..... tis a twisted cycle.but Irish cant be taught like that because no-one would choose it as it isn't recognized globally as a foreign language to get into uni i'd say. *tries to think of the word for sandwhich but fails and gets worried because I have an Irish test tomorow* actually a few years ago Bertie Ahern got the EU to recognize it as an official language, and I know it doesn't count for uni but It should and I know that I would choose it over french or German if they were thought the same way because I want to be good at Irish but its all fecked up in my mind because of bad teaching but yeah you do have a point, without it counting for Uni nobody would choose it
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 10:56 am
angelswolf121 Ceryini I think Irish should be taught the same way as the modern languages, it shouldn't be taught until secondary and you should be able to choose it instead of German or french. when children are thought it in primary they get confused and its often not thought properly. I'm in second year and I'm doing German. If I compare how much I know in Irish and how much I know in German then I know more Irish but not much more, I mean I've been doing German for 2 years and Irish for 10 and I know nearly as much German as Irish. Also the Irish I know isn't learnt very well where as the German is. If Irish was thought at a later age I think people would do a lot better and also not hate the subject as much. Ja, but the thing is, the younger a person is, the greater compacity they have for launguages. My neice is only just turnin three, and she can speak a little bit of German, French, Spanish, and she can sign out some ASL. We speak those those launguages to her at an inconstent rate. Imagine if we spoke to her in those launguages all of the time. Ich spreche Deutsch auch. I'm in my second year of it, but I have to retake it... sad thats true, I found it much easier to learn when I was younger but if its taught at a young age then it should be thought right, maybe even with the same teacher through out primary because a lot of primary is going over the same stuff over and over. The only problem with that is if you get a bad teacher your screwed but its just a thought Ja? Ich bin....in my second year too....and I can't say I'm great at it either but I fell it was thought better than Irish, but I'm not good at languages period
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:03 am
Ceryini tangerine-tiger Ceryini I think Irish should be taught the same way as the modern languages, it shouldn't be taught until secondary and you should be able to choose it instead of German or French. when children are thought it in primary they get confused and its often not thought properly. I'm in second year and I'm doing German. If I compare how much I know in Irish and how much I know in German then I know more Irish but not much more, I mean I've been doing German for 2 years and Irish for 10 and I know nearly as much German as Irish. Also the Irish I know isn't learnt very well where as the German is. If Irish was thought at a later age I think people would do a lot better and also not hate the subject as much. i think you are 100% right,if it is taught,it needs to be done properly...i mean,i don't know Irish grammar,but i know the word for sandwich.. whereas in French i can form verbs,tenses and proper grammar..... tis a twisted cycle.but Irish cant be taught like that because no-one would choose it as it isn't recognized globally as a foreign language to get into uni i'd say. *tries to think of the word for sandwhich but fails and gets worried because I have an Irish test tomorow* actually a few years ago Bertie Ahern got the EU to recognize it as an official language, and I know it doesn't count for uni but It should and I know that I would choose it over french or German if they were thought the same way because I want to be good at Irish but its all fecked up in my mind because of bad teaching but yeah you do have a point, without it counting for Uni nobody would choose it Ceiparà or something along those spelling lines...had my Irish exam today...very very hard,i was finished in 30 minutes!
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 1:58 pm
tangerine-tiger Ceryini tangerine-tiger Ceryini I think Irish should be taught the same way as the modern languages, it shouldn't be taught until secondary and you should be able to choose it instead of German or French. when children are thought it in primary they get confused and its often not thought properly. I'm in second year and I'm doing German. If I compare how much I know in Irish and how much I know in German then I know more Irish but not much more, I mean I've been doing German for 2 years and Irish for 10 and I know nearly as much German as Irish. Also the Irish I know isn't learnt very well where as the German is. If Irish was thought at a later age I think people would do a lot better and also not hate the subject as much. i think you are 100% right,if it is taught,it needs to be done properly...i mean,i don't know Irish grammar,but i know the word for sandwich.. whereas in French i can form verbs,tenses and proper grammar..... tis a twisted cycle.but Irish cant be taught like that because no-one would choose it as it isn't recognized globally as a foreign language to get into uni i'd say. *tries to think of the word for sandwhich but fails and gets worried because I have an Irish test tomorow* actually a few years ago Bertie Ahern got the EU to recognize it as an official language, and I know it doesn't count for uni but It should and I know that I would choose it over french or German if they were thought the same way because I want to be good at Irish but its all fecked up in my mind because of bad teaching but yeah you do have a point, without it counting for Uni nobody would choose it Ceiparà or something along those spelling lines...had my Irish exam today...very very hard,i was finished in 30 minutes! *clicks fingers* thats the one!! yeah I had mine today to.....not so good, and german tomorow gonk gonk gonk I'm doomed for it
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:52 am
What I don't understand is, that they make us do anoter language aswell as IRish and if we fail either for the leaving we're pretty much screwed. THey shouldn't make both compulsary to pass, like Irish should count as a continental language instead of us being under so much pressure comming up to the orals, 2 orals, Irish, I don't mind Irish I'm good at it like but we shouldn't be made learn it aswell as another language if we want to get into universities, it's to much pressure. I like Irish I do but like the fact that most people learn Irish for like 13 or 14 years and some people are barely able to have a full conversation, the fact that it's being forced on us I think makes us not want to learn it more. Irish is hard ya but I know people who've been learning English for like 5 years and are really fluent at it, it just doesn't make sense.
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 7:52 am
Chiki32 What I don't understand is, that they make us do anoter language aswell as IRish and if we fail either for the leaving we're pretty much screwed. THey shouldn't make both compulsary to pass, like Irish should count as a continental language instead of us being under so much pressure comming up to the orals, 2 orals, Irish, I don't mind Irish I'm good at it like but we shouldn't be made learn it aswell as another language if we want to get into universities, it's to much pressure. I like Irish I do but like the fact that most people learn Irish for like 13 or 14 years and some people are barely able to have a full conversation, the fact that it's being forced on us I think makes us not want to learn it more. Irish is hard ya but I know people who've been learning English for like 5 years and are really fluent at it, it just doesn't make sense. I agree, Irish should be enough to get into university. And I think the reason that we're not fluent at it after 13/14 years is because of two reason, one that we're not thought it properly and two that the general mood towards Irish is negative, growing up we always hear older brothers sister or friends complaining of how hard the language is and it just passes on through the generations so automatically we're thinking that its a subject that we're going to hate
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:38 am
Ceryini tangerine-tiger Ceryini tangerine-tiger Ceryini I think Irish should be taught the same way as the modern languages, it shouldn't be taught until secondary and you should be able to choose it instead of German or French. when children are thought it in primary they get confused and its often not thought properly. I'm in second year and I'm doing German. If I compare how much I know in Irish and how much I know in German then I know more Irish but not much more, I mean I've been doing German for 2 years and Irish for 10 and I know nearly as much German as Irish. Also the Irish I know isn't learnt very well where as the German is. If Irish was thought at a later age I think people would do a lot better and also not hate the subject as much. i think you are 100% right,if it is taught,it needs to be done properly...i mean,i don't know Irish grammar,but i know the word for sandwich.. whereas in French i can form verbs,tenses and proper grammar..... tis a twisted cycle.but Irish cant be taught like that because no-one would choose it as it isn't recognized globally as a foreign language to get into uni i'd say. *tries to think of the word for sandwhich but fails and gets worried because I have an Irish test tomorow* actually a few years ago Bertie Ahern got the EU to recognize it as an official language, and I know it doesn't count for uni but It should and I know that I would choose it over french or German if they were thought the same way because I want to be good at Irish but its all fecked up in my mind because of bad teaching but yeah you do have a point, without it counting for Uni nobody would choose it Ceiparà or something along those spelling lines...had my Irish exam today...very very hard,i was finished in 30 minutes! *clicks fingers* thats the one!! yeah I had mine today to.....not so good, and german tomorow gonk gonk gonk I'm doomed for it good luck!!!
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:14 am
katarasin i'm learning it in the fall for fun...but look at latin, it's a "dead" language and people still learn it Also ancient Greek exclaim How about ancient Egyptian and Sanskrit question Irish is hard I hear, yet I also hear English is one of the most difficult to learn as a 2nd language, yet little babies are learning it as a 1st language. We learn our 1st language hearing and repeating and forming a frame of reference that we continue to fill as long as we use the language. We don't start studying parts of speech until much later, in fact most of us are fairly fluent before we atempt to become literate. Imersion is considered to be an excellent method to become functionally fluent without becoming literate at the same time. Thus there are different methods and philosophies for teaching language, generally one is selectged based on the goal to be achieved. It seems that this discussion has referred to these goals: Conversation, literacy for university admission, native pride and constancy. Prehaps this lack of definition of goal also exists in selection of teaching method in schools? As interested adults, we can participate in the process by just asking that goals be considered. We can help form decisions if we choose to be involved. smile It is better to light a candle than curse the darkness exclaim
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