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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:42 pm
Okay, I was probably too extensive there, but the point is, it seems a little confrontational to be taking the side of the people who seem to be telling people they know are Pro-Lifers that they are only Pro-Life because their parents are. If these were people who we knew just generally supported individualistic thinking among children? Okay, I'd agree, sort of. But Pro-Choicers who walk up to children in a Pro-Life rally and tell them to think for themselves? Absolutely not.
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:13 pm
I.Am Okay, I was probably too extensive there, but the point is, it seems a little confrontational to be taking the side of the people who seem to be telling people they know are Pro-Lifers that they are only Pro-Life because their parents are. If these were people who we knew just generally supported individualistic thinking among children? Okay, I'd agree, sort of. But Pro-Choicers who walk up to children in a Pro-Life rally and tell them to think for themselves? Absolutely not. I was just saying they had a bit of a point. They seemed to think the kids were just following their parents. That's what most kids do. I also seriously question what an eight and ten year old were doing at a march stare I personally believe that kids shouldn't be dragged into this crap in such a way. Most likely they don't understand, so it's pointless.
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:46 pm
Is that such a bad thing, to follow your parents? Is it not your parents' job to teach you right and wrong, among other things?
In no way am I saying that we should all just be little clones of our parents. However, that doesn't mean that parents don't have the right and responsibility of trying to raise their kids to be good people, and of course they are going to have their own opinion of how to do that. It seems completely reasonable to me to bring your kids to a rally or march for a cause that you believe in.
Most grown people don't fully understand the issue. confused Doesn't stop them from believing what they'd like.
But as I said, I have no problem with people who want kids to think for themselves, my problem is with people who go up to kids at a march and assume that they aren't thinking for themselves. True, it's quite possible that they aren't. But do you really think that the Pro-Choicers would have shooed children away from Pro-Choice rallies, saying, "You're too young, you can't possibly understand."?
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:04 am
I actually used to ask my dad to go to the prolife march as soon as I found out about it. They said no, but maybe I wouldn't have fenced if I had gone.
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:18 am
How DARE you teach your children it's wrong to kill a growing human. What kind of monsters ARE you?
pro-abortionists can be such morons...
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:03 pm
scribblemouse... are you for real?
comeon, tell us EXACTLY what you feel on abortion. out with it. you seem very vague. it would seem to me that you are either 1- a choicer lurking and trying to bite your tounge but failing, or 2- a neutral person or otherwise who is here to say things for shock value,
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:24 pm
Now now guys. Lets not targetindividuals. I honostly have no room to speak here on that ruling, but I don't want Miranda to rant again.
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:30 pm
please- i would agree, were scribblemouse a well-known member who we have learned to accept and know. but all these coincidences here are a bit off...
scoffing at anti-partial-birth-abortion cartoons, for christ's sake. look at her posts- how many are positive, how many could even mildly suggest that she is pro-life for real?
i admit, people can be misunderstood. but i would like to hear from her own mouth... well, keyboard, anyway, what she feels. these things she says are sketchy at best and i am, to be honest, a little bit skeptical ofher position.
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:42 pm
divineseraph please- i would agree, were scribblemouse a well-known member who we have learned to accept and know. but all these coincidences here are a bit off... scoffing at anti-partial-birth-abortion cartoons, for christ's sake. look at her posts- how many are positive, how many could even mildly suggest that she is pro-life for real? i admit, people can be misunderstood. but i would like to hear from her own mouth... well, keyboard, anyway, what she feels. these things she says are sketchy at best and i am, to be honest, a little bit skeptical ofher position. I agree with you, as you know. whee I think it's really, really hard to believe, I mean. sweatdrop (Hides under a box...) The only person on her friendslist is pro-choice, and she just came out of no where and started posting... and she never seems to have any emotion into what she says because she always seems to disagree or be neutral, or be completely unclear... sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:52 pm
I've asked it to. She's ignored me on it. I personly beleive that she is a choicer mule lurking about our guild to challange what we say. I've seen her lend little to no credence to her claim that she is pro-life. And the same amount to the idea Miranda has that she may be a fencer trying to become pro-life.
But, this is not the place to personly call people out. If you want answers, then PM her about it. Don't make this thread into a Scribbles-bashing thread. I've read what Miranda has to say abotu it all, and after a bit of thinking i have to agree. If she is a choicer here lurking, then you're only fanning the fire for when she decides to reveal and tra-la-la her way to the choicer guild to show off what she has found. Infact, I'm sure many of the choicers have already read it all and already feel we are incapable of being friendly since we cant even seem to get along with some one who seems to either A-be a choicer in sheeps clothing. B-A rather uninformed fence sitter (or uninformed as some of us see it). Or, C-A lifer who over zelously loves to play the devil's advocate on all subjects. Hell, I would actualy venture to say she's a mule of Miranda or Kaizer doing all this to get us to debate, keep the guild alive, and to sharpen our wit all in the process. Though thats a bit underhanded, and I cant seem to bring myself to beleive they would stoop so low.
So, with that Ser, I ask that you please leave her alone. Debate her, but don't personly call her out. If you persist...well...I have no power here, but Miranda, Lyme, and Kaizer do.
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:00 pm
i don't want a debate and i don't want to bash- i want to hear from her, what she has to say about herself so it can be in the open for all of us. no more guesing what she might be thinking.
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:05 pm
Don't call her out. Don't persist in this publicly either. Start another thread for all i care. Fromt there its up to Mir-mir or Lyme-b***h (wonders if she'll take offence or laugh from the flashback) if the thread is credible enough to stay open. Just don't do it in here. This isn't the thread for it. Now please stop or I'll have to report your for thread-jacking and what can be interprited as offence behaivor. Like I said, i don't have much room to speak on the offence behaiver part, but i do feel I have justification enough to want to see it stoped.
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:15 pm
Thank you Pyro, darlin'. And I can assure you that she is not a mule of mine. I have a few mules and that is not one of them.
I've PMed her personally, and I did get a response from her and judging from what she has told me personally, I'd say she's more of a fencer just from what she's told me.
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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:29 am
Lymebitch! WOOT!
But seriously, I can understand these people a bit. Especially if they're middle-aged or a little over 18. On the one case, parents back then tended to be very overbearing and they probably felt like they were indoctrinated, same with people who just became legal adults and got out of the house.
But you know what? My parents taught me it was wrong to hit my little brother when he upset me. My parents taught me it was wrong to steal candy from a store. My parents never actually talked to me about abortion, but they taught me that human life is to be valued. I don't think they were wrong for teaching me that, or explaining pregnancy and birth by telling me that's how babies grow. They might have talked specifically about abortion if they were prolife at the time, I don't know, they weren't. But if parents teach their children that certain things are wrong, including killing another human, that's not only their right, that's their responsibility. Other parents may not agree with it, but they need to respect it.
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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:44 am
I remember the first time i heard about abortion as a child. I heard the word somewhere and asked a teacher (I can only assume she was pro-choice) what it meant and she explained it. I was pretty much shocked and responded in that kind of manner. My assumption about the teacher being pro-choice comes from her clearly being caught off guard by my reaction. She was obviously expecting me to just respond with 'oh' but I responded with a series of questions that obviously caused her a degree of embarasment. I wish for the life of me that i could remember what it was i said because i'm sure it was a classic example of childish innocense pointing out the obvious.
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