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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:11 pm
Those are good questions, that I don't think I answered at the start. heres how I do it anyhow. Howyou guys do it can be different.
I think its best to start storyboarding without panels in mind at first. Just draw out rectangles and draft the movements of the characters for that chapter first. Then you can start brainstoming on how to put them on the page after.
Now, panel size and number depends on the manga style you want. Depending per scene, the number of panels varies. Ina fight scene, limit from 3-5 panels per page. In a normal scene, you can have from 3-7 panels. Size depends on what exactly is happening. Its a little hard to explain, but you should look at examples in manga to see about general rules.
Now, flow and panel content have a lot to do with each other. If you're gonna draw a character facing in a certain direction remember to have them facing in the direction you want the viewers eye to go in.
Panel number affects the flow. If there are too many panels, the eye gets tried. In certain situations, such as people talking, its better to have fewer panels and more speech bubbles.
It's a little tough at first but you'll get used to it the more you draw. Panel style and flow are things you have practice until you get them right. Do some pages and then post them in this forum (not this thread) and then we can see how you're doing.
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 3:42 pm
Thank you so much! It really helps a lot. 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 5:00 pm
No problem. Post anymore questions if you have them ^_^
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:42 am
Scott McCloud covers panel transitions very well in his book Understanding Comics. I've found the books by McCloud very helpful for beginners no matter if they are drawing a more "american" or "manga" style comic.
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:44 am
WOW THAT WEBSITE YOU SHOWED US REALLY HELPS, THANKS RED!!
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:34 am
Kulac Akios WOW THAT WEBSITE YOU SHOWED US REALLY HELPS, THANKS RED!! Lay off the caps will you?
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:40 pm
Kulac Akios WOW THAT WEBSITE YOU SHOWED US REALLY HELPS, THANKS RED!! Uh, no problem. whats up with the caps though razz also, what site did i show you? >_>
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:33 am
...i feel stupid asking this question but...what are the inking pens that you use for manga called..can you get them at any old art shop?
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:03 pm
Depends on how you wanna ink. I use a combination of 2 different types, between dipping nibs and drawing pens.
Dipping pens are the kind you usually see the artists holding when they draw themselves in their books. It's a small metal pen nib that you put into a wood or plastic pen holder. You then dip the nib in ink and then ink your lines that way.
Pros: Nice line More calligraphic quality If done right, the line will not fade Looks good razz
Cons: There is a learning curve. Practice a lot. Good ones are expensive THey have a shorter life than drawing pens Upkeep is important.
For upkeep, these pen nibs come to you covered in a rust proof oil. This oil will screw over your drawings if you use it out of the bag. YOu need to remove the oil by either 1) Burning the oil off with a lighter 2) wipe thoroughly with a wet rag. Also, they will rust so you can't keep them wet. Clean thoroughly every use or else you end up with a pen nib you can't use.
The next pen type is drawing pens. These pens come in specific sizes ranging from really small (005) to really big (0 cool . These pens are good for beginners, and experts if you know how to use it. I use these for things I dont wanna bother my dip pens with or when I'm away from my desk.
Pros: Relatively cheap, ranging from 2-3 bux. Portable, you can use these things anywhere. Little to no upkeep. As long as you keep the cap on, they'll last for a while. Some of the pens have a flexible tip, so you can actually fake the calligraphic line that dip pens have if you're an expert.
Cons: Not completely fadeproof. Depending on your paper and pens,when you erase your pencil lines, you might be taking your ink with it. You have to buy a lot of them. While they are great and last long, you need almost the whole range of 005-08 in order to cover the scope that a G-pen can do. Too many companies make them so you'll go through a lot of pens before you find the ones that work for you and your work.
I don't feel like going into the line quality and such of the different dip pens, but you can find details in any of the getting started how to draw manga books.
Honestly, you don't need to ink with these pens, you could ink with a ballpoint pen if thats what floats your boat. Just make sure it looks good.
Now, the dip pens that Japanese artists use are probably only available in import stores or on the West Coast razz you can get them online at akadotretail.com if you dont mind a slight import charge (BUY IN BULK!!! you can get damn fine manga paper there too). You can find American brand dipping pens at most art stores, but i can't say if their quality is as good as the Japanese pens. However, most stores have drawing pens, and in several very good brands. Staedler, Millenium, and Sakura Micron are brands that I've tried, and I prefer Sakura Microns because they have the flexible nib I was talking about before.
Also, I use G pens for most line art. They are super flexible so they last a long time and also, I can get a wide range of line variety with it. You can buy those on akadotretail, but they are a bit pricey, so if you're gonna buy them, buy lots of them so that you dont have to shell out for shipping everytime.
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:08 pm
Also, have you guys heard of a brushpen? I saw a friend use it and god it looks handy. You can use it to color AND it can ink well. RedSparrow Panel shape depends on content. Most people are familiar with the square and rectangular panels. These ones are the kind that are use most often. when the scene is calm and nothing of extreme importance is happening. But when an action scene occurs, panel lines can be drawn diagonally so that the scene can have more weight to it. when used along with the art and flow, these panels can be the most memorable. sometimes people do use these kinds of panels as a change of pace, but try to use them for important scenes. I think i said this if the flow thread but I'll mention it again here. PLAN OUT YOUR MANGA LAYOUT AHEAD OF TIME. Draw out story boards so that you know what the characters will do on everypage and set up your panels accordingly. That way, you can have a flow, use effective panels, and have a scene that you already know is gonna turn out well. also plan out an entire chapter so you'll know how much content you can fit in there. Thanks for the advice about panel shape.. I needed help with that.. >.< Now I know it's best to plan ahead of time but I'm just always so dang busy... how can I make my comic have a good layout without planning ahead? I know it sounds impossible but my approach is more of a make-it-up-as-I-go except for crucial points like "Cut the scene at this part of the story so the next part is in the next pageso it's more shocking" and "make this square big cuz everyone'll wanna see her new look" and etc... My problem, moreover is distributing dialogue. PLEASE! How do I know if there's too much text in one page and where to cut the text? Without planning ahead too much. It's quite hard... GONBE Uh... well... You probably know this, but a general rule of thumb is to place them in the order you want them read. That is, left-right ( please don't make it right-left, unless it's in an Asian language... I really dislike that), and top to bottom. You can also do those sorta multiple joined text bubbles if you want your char. to say something a bit longer... it looks too full if you have too many sentences in one text bubble, and tiresome to read. Those multi-text bubbles are also handy for helping you flow from one panel to next, if your paneling is confusing sometimes (like me) if you connect two panels with those multi-bubble bubbles. Sorry if I confuse you, but this is just from personal experience. *falls down* dang.. Thanks for that... I was worried about my long speech bubble things... ^_^ RedSparrow Now, flow and panel content have a lot to do with each other. If you're gonna draw a character facing in a certain direction remember to have them facing in the direction you want the viewers eye to go in. Panel number affects the flow. If there are too many panels, the eye gets tried. In certain situations, such as people talking, its better to have fewer panels and more speech bubbles. THAT HELPED TOO. Hehe... Panles are my weakness...and BG...
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:56 pm
Mikoto_Sohma Also, have you guys heard of a brushpen? I saw a friend use it and god it looks handy. You can use it to color AND it can ink well. Now I know it's best to plan ahead of time but I'm just always so dang busy... how can I make my comic have a good layout without planning ahead? I know it sounds impossible but my approach is more of a make-it-up-as-I-go except for crucial points like "Cut the scene at this part of the story so the next part is in the next pageso it's more shocking" and "make this square big cuz everyone'll wanna see her new look" and etc... My problem, moreover is distributing dialogue. PLEASE! How do I know if there's too much text in one page and where to cut the text? Without planning ahead too much. It's quite hard... THAT HELPED TOO. Hehe... Panles are my weakness...and BG... I have and use Brush pens. They're good for certain things razz I use them to do clouds and wispy hair. If you're good enough, you can do all of your line art with them. My friend Taeseong can do beautiful line art with the brush pen. My only problem with the brush pen is that the ink is rather thin, so using it color isn't going to put down much of a layer of color. When I've used to color in hair, the black is not as rich or deep as the black from say, a sharpie or straight india ink. What I mean by planning out is to instead of drawing your manga straight to the final draft, draw it on a scratch sheet so you can plan the layout before it becomes too late to change it. What I do is divide a sketchbook page in four, and then in one box, i draw out the panels, their shapes, and what content i want to go in. It takes no time at all and will help you out more than you think. I know what you mean, I have the same style. I draw the panels as i feel, but I do keep layout and flow in mind razz Now, for dialogue, theres only one thing I need to suggest: DO NOT MAKE IT TOO WORDY! Ever seen a chapter of Deathnote? Don't do that razz I would limit one sentence to dialogue bubble. Hmm... Lemme give you and example. Any thing in the " " will be in a single speechbubble. "Hey Man." "Hey Jack. What't up?" "Not much, just looking for me dog." "By the way, have you seen him?" "No man, sorry. DO you need help finding him?" "Thanks. I really appreciate it." Anything super long should be broken up between 2 speech bubbles. If you HAVE to throw in buttloads of dialogue, try to keep the page down to fewer panels. IE, Exposition when something big happens, try to limit the page to maybe like 3 nice sized panels. The worst thing you can do is try to cram in a lot of dialogue into a small spot.
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:44 pm
Yeah I know... I did that a lot before...and I'm trying my best to tone it down... stare Hmmm... anyway.. ahaha... Ill do mah best. Thanks. ^_^
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:57 pm
hey is there a particular program you use for the panels, word bubbles and shading?
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:53 pm
There are programs out there that you can "make" manga with, but I prefer to do everything but type and tones by hand. From what I've seen of those programs (like Comics Live for the Mac) its just a bunch of templates that don't give you much freedom.
It's up to you whether you want to explore those options, however I think that most of them aren't going to be versatile as you can be.
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:05 am
RedSparrow Kulac Akios WOW THAT WEBSITE YOU SHOWED US REALLY HELPS, THANKS RED!! Uh, no problem. whats up with the caps though razz also, what site did i show you? >_> Eeeehh...sorry, must've left caps on and not realised it sweatdrop And it was that blambot.com site. I've been looking for some fonts for manga for ages, and they're all right there. Thanks again.
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