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Atarashi No Sensei
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 3:57 am


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NoyaMay
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true, but what if she is, and America really will be bombed.

Have you ever read revelations before? in the book of revelations Christ reviles to John what is to come such as war, famine, and earth quakes.and in the end the devil is vanquished to hell ( along with the anti-christ )
and God makes a new earth and heaven (New Jerusalem rev. 21:1-3) in which all Gods children and angels live. so maybe the America will be bombed, but Gods going to make a new earth any ways blaugh and America being bombed wouldn't even measure up to some of things going to happen to the world. i mean the oceans are going to be turned to blood, and a third part of the sun, moon, and stars are going to become darkened. (rev. 8:8, 8:12, 16:3, 16:4, 16:10) that's why i say i wouldn't worry about it, we are only given a short time on this earth and when it's your time does it really matter if you die by a bomb or by old age?
I don't think revelations is completely literal, but yes I believe your right, what Light is afraid of is if he did blaspheme against the spirit of GOD, and if America is going to truly be bombed what hope does Light have if he's going to hell when he gets blown up along with America!?!?!?!?!?!?

hmmm well that would be a problem sweatdrop ummm i really can't say. what did you say to her anyways?
nothing really, I was trying to find out if she was really a prophet or not, but I didn't really get to ask the questions that I wanted. as a matter of fact I was trying to becareful with my words, however I did think certain things about
Wait a minute. You shouldn't even be doubting about your belief in Christ and following what this 'stranger' has to tell you in the first place. Don't you have faith? Evaluate yourself before you do something like that. Piece of advice.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:44 am


8"I tell you, whoever acknowledges me before men, the Son of Man will also acknowledge him before the angels of God. 9But he who disowns me before men will be disowned before the angels of God. 10And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

11"When you are brought before synagogues, rulers and authorities, do not worry about how you will defend yourselves or what you will say, 12for the Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say."



I think this passage means that we have to be filled with the Holy Spirit. Once you are filled, you acknowledge the Holy Spirit. Going against the Holy Spirit is blasheme.

Atarashi No Sensei
Crew


Sir BlackHeart

PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:18 am


-Sunset Wahine-
NewFoundLight
NoyaMay
NewFoundLight
NoyaMay
NewFoundLight
true, but what if she is, and America really will be bombed.

Have you ever read revelations before? in the book of revelations Christ reviles to John what is to come such as war, famine, and earth quakes.and in the end the devil is vanquished to hell ( along with the anti-christ )
and God makes a new earth and heaven (New Jerusalem rev. 21:1-3) in which all Gods children and angels live. so maybe the America will be bombed, but Gods going to make a new earth any ways blaugh and America being bombed wouldn't even measure up to some of things going to happen to the world. i mean the oceans are going to be turned to blood, and a third part of the sun, moon, and stars are going to become darkened. (rev. 8:8, 8:12, 16:3, 16:4, 16:10) that's why i say i wouldn't worry about it, we are only given a short time on this earth and when it's your time does it really matter if you die by a bomb or by old age?
I don't think revelations is completely literal, but yes I believe your right, what Light is afraid of is if he did blaspheme against the spirit of GOD, and if America is going to truly be bombed what hope does Light have if he's going to hell when he gets blown up along with America!?!?!?!?!?!?

hmmm well that would be a problem sweatdrop ummm i really can't say. what did you say to her anyways?
nothing really, I was trying to find out if she was really a prophet or not, but I didn't really get to ask the questions that I wanted. as a matter of fact I was trying to becareful with my words, however I did think certain things about
Wait a minute. You shouldn't even be doubting about your belief in Christ and following what this 'stranger' has to tell you in the first place. Don't you have faith? Evaluate yourself before you do something like that. Piece of advice.
first off, there is such a thing in the Bible called false prophets, not thyat I'm saying this person is one, but hey lets just follow the false prophets shall we....I do believe it says also in the Bible behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. Mathew 10-16.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:21 am


-Sunset Wahine-
8"I tell you, whoever acknowledges me before men, the Son of Man will also acknowledge him before the angels of God. 9But he who disowns me before men will be disowned before the angels of God. 10And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

11"When you are brought before synagogues, rulers and authorities, do not worry about how you will defend yourselves or what you will say, 12for the Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say."



I think this passage means that we have to be filled with the Holy Spirit. Once you are filled, you acknowledge the Holy Spirit. Going against the Holy Spirit is blasheme.
uuummm, what?

Sir BlackHeart


Iesu Henshu

PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:57 pm


I don't know if it says it in the Bible, but my mom has this dictionary of bible words and blaspheme basically means to diss. So, if you are calling the Holy Spirit a loser or not real or something, then that's blaspheming it.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:09 pm


AgentKat
I don't know if it says it in the Bible, but my mom has this dictionary of bible words and blaspheme basically means to diss. So, if you are calling the Holy Spirit a loser or not real or something, then that's blaspheming it.

Definition of Blaspheme (Merriam Webster Online Dictionary):

Blaspheme - 1 : to speak of or address with irreverence
2 : revile, abuse

Abuse is to grieve the Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit is saddened once you disobey it.

Atarashi No Sensei
Crew


Sir BlackHeart

PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:31 pm


AgentKat
I don't know if it says it in the Bible, but my mom has this dictionary of bible words and blaspheme basically means to diss. So, if you are calling the Holy Spirit a loser or not real or something, then that's blaspheming it.
I believe it's more than that, because i saw something thats said this guy thought something about the holy spirit and was terribly afraid that he was going to hell, but I also read somewhere else thats says if someone is terribly afraid of commiting this sin, then most likely they haven't.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:33 pm


-Sunset Wahine-
AgentKat
I don't know if it says it in the Bible, but my mom has this dictionary of bible words and blaspheme basically means to diss. So, if you are calling the Holy Spirit a loser or not real or something, then that's blaspheming it.

Definition of Blaspheme (Merriam Webster Online Dictionary):

Blaspheme - 1 : to speak of or address with irreverence
2 : revile, abuse

Abuse is to grieve the Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit is saddened once you disobey it.
I've read that Paul says that about don't greive the spirit of GOD that is in you, but where do you get that abuse is to grieve?

Sir BlackHeart


Noyamay

PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:57 pm


well what i think it gets down to is that there are going to be people who say they come in Christ name but don't really, (Matthew 24:5) and in fact in revelations, Christ praises one of the seven churches for trieing people who say they are of God and arn't. (Rev. 2:2) but if you notice in Matthew 12:31 and Mark 3:29 when the scribes and pharisees are blaspheming against the Holy Ghost it is the Holy Ghost in Jesus.
and if you look to the verse right above Mark 3:29 it says "Verily i say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:" 4laugh
PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:28 pm


NoyaMay
well what i think it gets down to is that there are going to be people who say they come in Christ name but don't really, (Matthew 24:5) and in fact in revelations, Christ praises one of the seven churches for trieing people who say they are of God and arn't. (Rev. 2:2) but if you notice in Matthew 12:31 and Mark 3:29 when the scribes and pharisees are blaspheming against the Holy Ghost it is the Holy Ghost in Jesus.
and if you look to the verse right above Mark 3:29 it says "Verily i say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:" 4laugh
Light's a little confused, what the heck does that mean???

Sir BlackHeart


beakerkatt

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:18 pm


Jesus mentions a sin that is unforgivable in Matt. 12:31-32 and calls it blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. But what exactly is this unforgivable sin? For that, we need to look at the context.

Matt. 12:22-32 says, "Then there was brought to Him a demon-possessed man who was blind and dumb, and He healed him, so that the dumb man spoke and saw. 23And all the multitudes were amazed, and began to say, "This man cannot be the Son of David, can he?" 24But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, "This man casts out demons only by Beelzebub the ruler of the demons." 25And knowing their thoughts He said to them, "Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself shall not stand. 26"And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then shall his kingdom stand? 27"And if I by Beelzebub cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? Consequently they shall be your judges. 28"But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29"Or how can anyone enter the strong man’s house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. 30"He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters. 31"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 32"And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come," (All Scripture quotes are from the NASB).

Let me review this section briefly. In verse 22, Jesus healed a blind and dumb man. The Pharisees accuse Jesus of casting out demons by the power of "Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons" (v. 24). Jesus responds by saying that a kingdom divided will fall (vv. 25-28 ) and how the devil must first be bound before you can plunder his house (v. 29). In verses 31-32, He states that blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven in this age or the age to come.
By simply looking at the context it becomes apparent that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is saying that Jesus did His miracles by the power of the devil. This is unforgivable. But why? We can find a clue by looking at when Jesus began His ministry.
Jesus stated that His baptism was to "fulfill all righteousness," (Matt. 3:15). The word "fulfill" should cause us to think of the Old Testament. Basically, Jesus was baptized because He had to fulfill the Old Testament requirements for entering into the priesthood. He was a priest after the order of Melchizedek (Psalm 110:4; Heb. 5:8-10; 6:20). Priests offered sacrifice to God on behalf of the people. Jesus became a sacrifice for our sin (1 Pet. 2:21; 2 Cor. 5:21) in His role as priest. According to the Old Testament, in order for a priest to be consecrated as a priest, He had to be washed with water (Lev. 8:6; Exodus 29:4, Matt. 3:15) and anointed with oil (Lev. 8:12; Exodus 29:7; Matt. 3:16). Both of these were bestowed upon Jesus at His baptism. Additionally, He may have needed to be 30 years old - (Num. 4:3).
The oil is representative of the Holy Spirit who descended upon Jesus at His baptism (Matt. 3:16). It was after His baptism that He began His ministry and started performing miracles. He did His miracles by the power of the Holy Spirit who had come upon Him at His baptism. The Pharisees - who knew that Jesus' miracles validated His words and ministry (see John 11:45-48 ) - were attempting to discredit Jesus' Messiahship by saying that His works were by the devil and not by the Holy Spirit. Therefore, when the Pharisees accused Jesus of casting out demons by the power of Satan, they were blaspheming the Holy Spirit by whom Jesus performed His miracles. This is unforgivable because it struck at the very heart of the redemptive work of God in Christ. It struck at the very nature of Jesus’ ministry of redemption, testimony, and teaching. Jesus was ministering in the power of the Holy Spirit Himself, fulfilling the divine plan of God to provide a sacrifice for our sins (John 3:16; 1 John 4:10). The Pharisees were attributing this to demonic activity. This is a great blasphemy.

Can a Believer Commit the Unforgivable Sin?

No. A believer cannot commit the unforgivable sin. How can someone who has been born again (John 3:7), made a new creation (2 Cor. 5:17), and received eternal life (John 10:27-28 ) actually commit the unforgivable sin? He cannot. Jesus Himself said that we have eternal life, not conditional life: "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out of My hand." Besides, it says in 2 Cor. 5:17 that the Christian is a new creation in Christ. We are different, no longer slaves to the old nature (Rom. 6:14). We are regenerated by the Holy Spirit.
There is no biblical support for a believer committing this sin. It just hasn’t happened. Also, if you are worried that you may have committed the sin and can’t be forgiven, then don’t be concerned. If you are worrying about it, then you haven’t committed it. If you are worried about it, then that is a sign that you have not committed it. If you had, you wouldn’t be concerned.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:48 pm


beakerkatt
Jesus mentions a sin that is unforgivable in Matt. 12:31-32 and calls it blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. But what exactly is this unforgivable sin? For that, we need to look at the context.

Matt. 12:22-32 says, "Then there was brought to Him a demon-possessed man who was blind and dumb, and He healed him, so that the dumb man spoke and saw. 23And all the multitudes were amazed, and began to say, "This man cannot be the Son of David, can he?" 24But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, "This man casts out demons only by Beelzebub the ruler of the demons." 25And knowing their thoughts He said to them, "Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself shall not stand. 26"And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then shall his kingdom stand? 27"And if I by Beelzebub cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? Consequently they shall be your judges. 28"But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29"Or how can anyone enter the strong man’s house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. 30"He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters. 31"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 32"And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come," (All Scripture quotes are from the NASB).

Let me review this section briefly. In verse 22, Jesus healed a blind and dumb man. The Pharisees accuse Jesus of casting out demons by the power of "Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons" (v. 24). Jesus responds by saying that a kingdom divided will fall (vv. 25-28 ) and how the devil must first be bound before you can plunder his house (v. 29). In verses 31-32, He states that blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven in this age or the age to come.
By simply looking at the context it becomes apparent that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is saying that Jesus did His miracles by the power of the devil. This is unforgivable. But why? We can find a clue by looking at when Jesus began His ministry.
Jesus stated that His baptism was to "fulfill all righteousness," (Matt. 3:15). The word "fulfill" should cause us to think of the Old Testament. Basically, Jesus was baptized because He had to fulfill the Old Testament requirements for entering into the priesthood. He was a priest after the order of Melchizedek (Psalm 110:4; Heb. 5:8-10; 6:20). Priests offered sacrifice to God on behalf of the people. Jesus became a sacrifice for our sin (1 Pet. 2:21; 2 Cor. 5:21) in His role as priest. According to the Old Testament, in order for a priest to be consecrated as a priest, He had to be washed with water (Lev. 8:6; Exodus 29:4, Matt. 3:15) and anointed with oil (Lev. 8:12; Exodus 29:7; Matt. 3:16). Both of these were bestowed upon Jesus at His baptism. Additionally, He may have needed to be 30 years old - (Num. 4:3).
The oil is representative of the Holy Spirit who descended upon Jesus at His baptism (Matt. 3:16). It was after His baptism that He began His ministry and started performing miracles. He did His miracles by the power of the Holy Spirit who had come upon Him at His baptism. The Pharisees - who knew that Jesus' miracles validated His words and ministry (see John 11:45-48 ) - were attempting to discredit Jesus' Messiahship by saying that His works were by the devil and not by the Holy Spirit. Therefore, when the Pharisees accused Jesus of casting out demons by the power of Satan, they were blaspheming the Holy Spirit by whom Jesus performed His miracles. This is unforgivable because it struck at the very heart of the redemptive work of God in Christ. It struck at the very nature of Jesus’ ministry of redemption, testimony, and teaching. Jesus was ministering in the power of the Holy Spirit Himself, fulfilling the divine plan of God to provide a sacrifice for our sins (John 3:16; 1 John 4:10). The Pharisees were attributing this to demonic activity. This is a great blasphemy.

Can a Believer Commit the Unforgivable Sin?

No. A believer cannot commit the unforgivable sin. How can someone who has been born again (John 3:7), made a new creation (2 Cor. 5:17), and received eternal life (John 10:27-28 ) actually commit the unforgivable sin? He cannot. Jesus Himself said that we have eternal life, not conditional life: "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out of My hand." Besides, it says in 2 Cor. 5:17 that the Christian is a new creation in Christ. We are different, no longer slaves to the old nature (Rom. 6:14). We are regenerated by the Holy Spirit.
There is no biblical support for a believer committing this sin. It just hasn’t happened. Also, if you are worried that you may have committed the sin and can’t be forgiven, then don’t be concerned. If you are worrying about it, then you haven’t committed it. If you are worried about it, then that is a sign that you have not committed it. If you had, you wouldn’t be concerned.

You cleared that up much betterthan i did sweatdrop thank you 4laugh
hope this anwsers your questions light. mrgreen

Noyamay


Sir BlackHeart

PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:09 pm


Can a Believer Commit the Unforgivable Sin?

No. A believer cannot commit the unforgivable sin. How can someone who has been born again (John 3:7), made a new creation (2 Cor. 5:17), and received eternal life (John 10:27-28 ) actually commit the unforgivable sin? He cannot. Jesus Himself said that we have eternal life, not conditional life: "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out of My hand." Besides, it says in 2 Cor. 5:17 that the Christian is a new creation in Christ. We are different, no longer slaves to the old nature (Rom. 6:14). We are regenerated by the Holy Spirit.
There is no biblical support for a believer committing this sin. It just hasn’t happened. Also, if you are worried that you may have committed the sin and can’t be forgiven, then don’t be concerned. If you are worrying about it, then you haven’t committed it. If you are worried about it, then that is a sign that you have not committed it. If you had, you wouldn’t be concerned.
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i'd have to contend with that part what about the apostates?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:32 pm


1 John 2:19
"They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us."
This passage states the apostates were never believers at any time similar to Judas Iscariot.

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Sir BlackHeart

PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:33 pm


beakerkatt
1 John 2:19
"They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us."
This passage states the apostates were never believers at any time similar to Judas Iscariot.
"they would have remained with us" what does that mean, do I have to go to church?
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