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This post was irrelevent to the topic. The poster should of realised this, but i guess she chose not to.

Any ways...I said that on the very beginign Seth. No one ******** listens to me...ever...not unless i do somehtigndrastic and out of place.

No one here is bitching.

My post was composed of sarcasm and one bad joke aimed as Zen. I honostly don't care who agreed with me or not. My concern wasnt with converting people to my opinoin about the situation. My concern was having the pro-life guild stay as the pro-life guild, not the mostly pro-life but with a few choicers guild. This guild was meant to be a safe haven away from them, away from their posts. A place where we could be lifers with out being challanged by choicers. Friendly debate is fine, but this isn't the place for it. If you want to hang out in guild that supposrt friendly debate btween choicers and lifers with out the annoying mud-slinigng and pathetic sarcastic parodies from both sides, join the PCPLA or make a new guild. After looking through the debate guild I'm assured that there would be no chance for a trully friendly debate were all opinoins are respected and not treated with snarky remarks

My concern isnt with who agrees or disagrees with me, it isnt with your opinoin, or mcphee's, or KPs, or any one else's. I give about a rat's a** of your opinoin when compard to this guild. I dont know why, but I feel very adiment about the sanctity of this guild. I want to keep the pro-life guild the pro-life guild and the pro-choice the pro-choice guild.

With that said, now I'll move to other things, but i won't move on. This is somthing that has stuck in me to far for me to simply "move on." I actualy would like to see a guild thats purpose was to sanction friendly dabtes as opposed to one sided violent ones. A guild which rules out the use of sarcastic remarks and beligernt titles of anti-choice and pro-abortion or anti-woman and anti-life. I suppose thats what you were tyrign to give them, and what its an admirable act, it still does not negate that this is the pro-life guild. I don't know...mabey creating a new subforum here with that purpose, save a hefty amount of gold. But the forum would be the only place in here where they could post. I'd be willing to donate what i have if Mcphee or who ever i in charge now is willing to create this forum.

You dare suggest that tolerance, understanding and empathy are qualities which would prevent me from being a member of this guild?

Firstly you weren't being "sarcastic", even if you were joking sarcasm is not the form of humour that you were using. Secondly that had nothing to do with why I told you to grow up, I told you to grow up because you're acting like a child, again.

Good for you, for coming up with suggestions after you threw your b***h fit. If you wanted to be mature and you wanted to act like an adult you would have made suggestions prior, or you would have - oh I don't know - handled things like an adult instead of throwing a temper tantrum. "I'm not getting what I want so I'm going to quit! Waa." There's no point in a subforum now because the choicers are gone it's over and it should have been left to die, instead of you going on your "oh pity me, I'm so hard done by" parade.

The choicers weren't kicked out because there was a concencus among the Mods of the guild that we wouldn't kick them out. You were not ignored, we simply decided that we didn't agree with what you were asking. The choicers that were in her gave us no reason to kick them out, infact they never gave us a reason to kick them out. I have kicked out and banned from this guild, many a pro-choicer who was rude or disrespectful. And those that I haven't kicked out or banned myself I went to KP and I told him, I spoke with people and I brought up specific examples. I made sure that I had a strong arguement over why I wanted a specific person gone.

People didn't stop caring what you thought, but people don't have to do whatever you ask them in order to care. You don't control this guild, you don't run this guild. Yes you have a say in how it's run to a certain extent, however when it comes down to it decisions have to be made and they are made by specific people. In the case of the choicers it was being made my Adrian, Andy, KP and myself (Kate is on hiatus otherwise she would have been included in that as well).

I have not agreed with every decision that KP has made, but I have always stood by him, I've also acknowledged the fact that just because I don't agree with something he does it doesn't mean it's automatically the wrong thing to do. A good example would be him kicking the choicers out. Had I been left to make the decision I probably would have let them stay simply because of how you handled yourself and the situation. However I understand and acknowledge that in a leadership position KP probably made the right decision simply because you are pro-life and they are pro-choice. That doesn't mean I would have done the same in his case.

But you don't see me throwing a hissy fit and threatening to leave or whatever because something didn't go my way.

I could of ignored miranda's post. I probably would of started laughing sooner if I did. I suppose I really should of learned to laugh at what what kind of a relntelss b***h she can be at times.

Sorry Zen, but poking your inner grammer Nazi is just way too much fun. I'll stop now. xd

I mean it, grow up or go elsewhere.

You want a relentless b***h? I'll give you a ******** relentless b***h, don't even tempt me. The only reason I haven't banned you outright at this point is because I still consider this KP's guild. But give me one reason, I dare you.

If you're going to ban tiger of the Fire, then ban me too.

Even if he has problems articulating himself to the way you believe people should articulate themselves, does not mean he is no longer pro-life.

If you're banning someone who is pro-life, then don't stop at one, ban me too.