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Acerbic Jabberwocky

PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:05 pm


drinktilfall
Hane no Kori
Personally, I think that Satoshi figured out that it was Daisuke's ribbon, and was pretending that Daisuke gave it to him inadvertantly... or something like that.... heart But that's a fangirl's opinion for you.... sweatdrop


yeah, that's your own fantasy
i'm going to say this again
please don't make a non-gay character
gay in your image
if they are gay, fine
but if not, just stick to straight fanart and whatever



/: Yet again, i'm at risk for sounding like an a**. Buut, certain bits and pieces of your comment irritated me.

As said in my earlier post, SatoxRisa is -fanon-. as is SatoxDaisuke, DarkxKrad, etc. In other words, it's as much a fantasy as any Bl/Yaoi pair.

Saying "don't make a straight character gay in your image" is really irritating to me. (Seeing as I have fanarts with s-ai/bl/yaoi content/implied bl/yaoi content. Not to mention the fiction!)

Point is....Hon, EVERY fandom will have some kind of (fan made, in most cases.) material that is of that nature. Saying "stick to straight fanart!" is rude to people who enjoy drawing/writing/whatever the characters in that way. A common arguement to this is...

"Well, the creators are offended by it!" To which my common reply is "How exactly would you know?" Honestly, from interviews and such i've read; most of the people that have their characters portrayn(sp? Dx) in that way are hardly offended. If anything, they seem to enjoy seeing different people's views/perceptions/etc. of their characters.

@Selena:

I wouldn't mind either. XD As for /doujin/ though...*cackle*

Waaaiiiiitt....i'm not sure. You're talking about vol. 8, right? *scratches head*
PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:04 pm


Play nice kids... *sigh*


Sleepy_Tuna_FIsh i agree.

pixiekaiju


Dragon_Caesar001

PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:36 pm


HELLZ YES!!! I knew satoshi wasnt gay for Dai! my friend owes me 10 bucks!!
PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:46 pm


Argentine-Sama


@Selena:

I wouldn't mind either. XD As for /doujin/ though...*cackle*

Waaaiiiiitt....i'm not sure. You're talking about vol. 8, right? *scratches head*

Huh? Oh, that one part where Dark pulls on his hair causing him to fall on Dark.....

Oh yeah, that was hot..... except it was really sudden and too short....

I liked the part where Dark goes, "Even so....." and then Krad says "Dark..." in a way that hinted some mushiness..... whee But then Dark had to go and punch Krad... sad

[[Kairi]]


Acerbic Jabberwocky

PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:42 am


[[Kairi]]
Argentine-Sama


@Selena:

I wouldn't mind either. XD As for /doujin/ though...*cackle*

Waaaiiiiitt....i'm not sure. You're talking about vol. 8, right? *scratches head*

Huh? Oh, that one part where Dark pulls on his hair causing him to fall on Dark.....

Oh yeah, that was hot..... except it was really sudden and too short....

I liked the part where Dark goes, "Even so....." and then Krad says "Dark..." in a way that hinted some mushiness..... whee But then Dark had to go and punch Krad... sad


Heh. It was. xP Then there are the -fewfewfew- arts/etc. that hint at uh..'mushiness'(oatmeal?!) with those two.

It was too short. D: And a bit sudden(as you said)..Nontheless, it made my inner-ecchi quite pleased.

Awh, Dark has to ruin it. -chuckle- Though I didn't even notice he was punching him at first. Actually, I'll admit that I only noticed Krad's hand by Dark's crotch. xd Then I went "uh...ouch".
PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:01 pm


Argentine-Sama
drinktilfall
Hane no Kori
Personally, I think that Satoshi figured out that it was Daisuke's ribbon, and was pretending that Daisuke gave it to him inadvertantly... or something like that.... heart But that's a fangirl's opinion for you.... sweatdrop


yeah, that's your own fantasy
i'm going to say this again
please don't make a non-gay character
gay in your image
if they are gay, fine
but if not, just stick to straight fanart and whatever



/: Yet again, i'm at risk for sounding like an a**. Buut, certain bits and pieces of your comment irritated me.

As said in my earlier post, SatoxRisa is -fanon-. as is SatoxDaisuke, DarkxKrad, etc. In other words, it's as much a fantasy as any Bl/Yaoi pair.

Saying "don't make a straight character gay in your image" is really irritating to me. (Seeing as I have fanarts with s-ai/bl/yaoi content/implied bl/yaoi content. Not to mention the fiction!)

Point is....Hon, EVERY fandom will have some kind of (fan made, in most cases.) material that is of that nature. Saying "stick to straight fanart!" is rude to people who enjoy drawing/writing/whatever the characters in that way. A common arguement to this is...

"Well, the creators are offended by it!" To which my common reply is "How exactly would you know?" Honestly, from interviews and such i've read; most of the people that have their characters portrayn(sp? Dx) in that way are hardly offended. If anything, they seem to enjoy seeing different people's views/perceptions/etc. of their characters.

@Selena:

I wouldn't mind either. XD As for /doujin/ though...*cackle*

Waaaiiiiitt....i'm not sure. You're talking about vol. 8, right? *scratches head*


First off i didn't say you couldn't make fanart with yaoi, yuri, or whatever the hell your a** pops out. I mean, if you want gay yaoi, go to gravitation or some manga like that. I just really hate seeing my favorite character, or character that aren't gay, naruto for example being gay with someone who is not gay as well. It's a disgrace to their sexuality and disrespectful to their image and "the creater" as you say. Those aren't my words, but that is also a valid point. I am entitled to my own opinion, as are you, so I'm not going to push this any furthur. I will however leave with this note...
I am not a hater, i just believe there are limits to certain things, and some fanart is beyond that point. And if you have fanart with krad, dark, or whoever it may be, fine...i care not, but keep it to yourself please. Seriously though, there isn't much more i can say, or you can say. We can just repeat more of the same...
so i'll end this here and now
DARK, SATOSHI, DAISUKE, NARUTO, SASUKE, KRAD, and ALL THE REST OF THEM AREN'T GAY!!!!! PERIOD! DRAW ALL YOU WANT~but don't state they are gay, when they are simply not...you just wish they were
those are your fantasy, and what you think of when you go to sleep, so i'm not going to judge...
rolleyes

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:45 pm


hmm, and let me show you how i feel
if you even care that is...

let me name a few couples...

rikuxrisa
daisukexemiko O_O
kradxwith o_O
omg non of these are true, but they could be someone's sick fantasy...
do you understand now, just a little bit....
if characters are straight, let them be
if they are gay, well you can think about that all the time...but don't disrespect their sexuality for your own pleasure
thanks

i'm sorry if y'all hate me now
PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:21 pm


um... uh oh...
somewon has been pwned? whee

pixiekaiju


Dragon_Caesar001

PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:18 pm


drinktilfall
Argentine-Sama
drinktilfall
Hane no Kori
Personally, I think that Satoshi figured out that it was Daisuke's ribbon, and was pretending that Daisuke gave it to him inadvertantly... or something like that.... heart But that's a fangirl's opinion for you.... sweatdrop


yeah, that's your own fantasy
i'm going to say this again
please don't make a non-gay character
gay in your image
if they are gay, fine
but if not, just stick to straight fanart and whatever



/: Yet again, i'm at risk for sounding like an a**. Buut, certain bits and pieces of your comment irritated me.

As said in my earlier post, SatoxRisa is -fanon-. as is SatoxDaisuke, DarkxKrad, etc. In other words, it's as much a fantasy as any Bl/Yaoi pair.

Saying "don't make a straight character gay in your image" is really irritating to me. (Seeing as I have fanarts with s-ai/bl/yaoi content/implied bl/yaoi content. Not to mention the fiction!)

Point is....Hon, EVERY fandom will have some kind of (fan made, in most cases.) material that is of that nature. Saying "stick to straight fanart!" is rude to people who enjoy drawing/writing/whatever the characters in that way. A common arguement to this is...

"Well, the creators are offended by it!" To which my common reply is "How exactly would you know?" Honestly, from interviews and such i've read; most of the people that have their characters portrayn(sp? Dx) in that way are hardly offended. If anything, they seem to enjoy seeing different people's views/perceptions/etc. of their characters.

@Selena:

I wouldn't mind either. XD As for /doujin/ though...*cackle*

Waaaiiiiitt....i'm not sure. You're talking about vol. 8, right? *scratches head*


First off i didn't say you couldn't make fanart with yaoi, yuri, or whatever the hell your a** pops out. I mean, if you want gay yaoi, go to gravitation or some manga like that. I just really hate seeing my favorite character, or character that aren't gay, naruto for example being gay with someone who is not gay as well. It's a disgrace to their sexuality and disrespectful to their image and "the creater" as you say. Those aren't my words, but that is also a valid point. I am entitled to my own opinion, as are you, so I'm not going to push this any furthur. I will however leave with this note...
I am not a hater, i just believe there are limits to certain things, and some fanart is beyond that point. And if you have fanart with krad, dark, or whoever it may be, fine...i care not, but keep it to yourself please. Seriously though, there isn't much more i can say, or you can say. We can just repeat more of the same...
so i'll end this here and now
DARK, SATOSHI, DAISUKE, NARUTO, SASUKE, KRAD, and ALL THE REST OF THEM AREN'T GAY!!!!! PERIOD! DRAW ALL YOU WANT~but don't state they are gay, when they are simply not...you just wish they were
those are your fantasy, and what you think of when you go to sleep, so i'm not going to judge...
rolleyes


I think drinktilfall had too much to drink... sorry, bad joke.

I can see where both arguments are comming from. And they both have good points.

Drinktilfall is saying if you truley love a character, why comprimise who they are? If you're truley a fan why would you deviate the personality and dreams of a character? The creator of the story made it that way, isn't THAT what drew you in to the story and character to begin with?

And the other side of the argument is: It's a fantasy, the entire point is that it cant happen. Sure im playing with characters, but its just a little more fun for me to see an alternate story play out. And if it cant/wont happen no harm, no foul. Fantasy are ment to be just that, fun, new exciting, and odd why not?

this argument even has me goin in circles
PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:41 am


WINNER LION_8!!!!

pixiekaiju


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:02 am


Pixie_Dream7
WINNER LION_8!!!!


all he did was repeat what i said and throw a little sugar on it...
to balance the argument back out...but still, leaning towards my vote
PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:53 am


drinktilfall
Pixie_Dream7
WINNER LION_8!!!!


all he did was repeat what i said and throw a little sugar on it...
to balance the argument back out...but still, leaning towards my vote


I dont think im a winner of any sort Pixie but thanks i feel good for the day sweatdrop !

But drink-ma-boy i think that IS what i stated before explain both sides. And yes i did sugarcoat, that is something you lack. If you want people to see your side of things you must explain it politely and as nice as possible. Rather than relentlesly attacking what others beliefs are, and a points of view, consentrate on explianing your own belief and why you think otherwise. It's a valuable rhetorical skill and essential to debates and conversation.

Dragon_Caesar001


Acerbic Jabberwocky

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:35 am


Wasn't planning to respond, buuut, screw that apparently.

I believe i've been misinterpreted, again. This is normal because, lo and behold--i'm horrible with words.

Firstly!

Don't like the FANart/FANfiction? Don't bloody look at it!
If by some chance, you do look at it(or innocently stumble upon it; as much as I doubt that.)--don't comment, don't review. Just click that nice green "back" button.
There, see? Crisis averted.

Difficult, isn't it? surprised

Even if said creator despised yaoi/S-ai/Bl, people would draw/write their characters like that anyways. And why not?
Besides, Bunny-sensei had a nice bl/yaoi(memory fail?) Evangelion doujin. She just dislikes DOUJIN of her own chars. She obviously hasn't got a beef with the yaoi. (:

But, in all honesty...given ALL of your previous statements. When you say "I am not a hater", I see no real reason to believe that. None. Nada.

Oh lordy, 'beyond that point'? What is beyond the point? Fanart depicting intercourse between two male characters? Simple embracing? ...A kiss? You'd have to be more specific.
Honestly, saying "you shouldn't" (not can't, pardon me.) and "don't post it anywhere!" is just a personal opinion. If people want to post something--they will. And in most cases..they can!
But, really..I do keep most arts of that nature to myself, and people I know personally.(or people I talk to regularly that have no problem with that sort of thing.)

But ah..
When did I say "THEY'RE GAY". (: I didn't.
I was mentioning that hey! There are some SatoxDai hints too. That doesn't mean I was saying "Oh yah, Sato loves that whiny redheaded dude". Just stating various possibilities, however far fetched. For christ's sake, it's an anime character.
Paper with color!(and or screentones)
Chill, 'kay?

As for that next post you bothered typing.(After 'ending' a mock-arguement.)
Did the manga ever say, "Krad isn't gay" or "sato isn't gay", etc.etc.
Did it blatantly say "he/she is straight man!"
No, atleast in most of the cases.

Since this is pretty much an arguement now..may as well say "you've only "lost" when you can't be assed into listening, or even bothering to remotely consider the other person's thoughts/words" I've read everything you typed, muffin. But your attitude sucks, and you don't seem to even WANT to listen to anything anyone may say that...my lord. Might disagree with YOUR views?

"Don't disrespect their sexuality for your pleasure"
I never said "so and so" is gay. Honestly, yeah, 'Toshi will probably end up with Risa. But, he hasn't--yet. And there are plenty of hints towards Sat/Dai(as an example) that would make one think otherwise. Wrongly? Sure. But implications /are/ there for people that LIKE that sort of thing.

Disrespect, my eye! I don't think the few BL/yaoi doujin of Sugisaki's work would exist if she really felt that strongly against it. As I already said, don't like? Don't view! Don't read.

Just /ignore/ it. Too hard? Try harder!

---

I'll have to wholeheartedly agree with something Lion_8 just mentioned..

Atleast making some kind of effort to be polite in an explanation is a good thing! It'll incline me to go "hey! sure". (:
Being rude and saying "it's "x way" and thats that kthxbai!" does not make me want to even read what you type. /:
Maaa...I am, however, a bit riled up(various things, don't flatter yourself.) soo..I likely didn't make much sense. And I likely worded a few things poorly. I just intended to give a few possibilities/things to that effect; not create an arguement about a damn /anime/ character.
But, when you start saying "you shouldn't draw/write "x character" in a remotely gay way with "x character" because of MY personal opinion". Well..some people will get offended. And I suppose i'm one of them. >_>'

Pfft, this "wallotext!" I just wrote probably makes little to no sense. I may edit later if I see reason to, otherwise--i'm going back to sleep.
G'day.
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