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ffdarkangel

PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:22 pm


I love yuri because of the delacate romance. You can't get that in anything other than a yuri. In almost every other kind of anime I watched at aleast one of the girls was getting steped on by the guy or was just plain stupid or a b***h. The guys were shallow and I hated that. After I watched Kannazuki No Miko, I couldn't go back to normal anime. Thus I am here.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:29 pm


ffdarkangel
I love yuri because of the delacate romance. You can't get that in anything other than a yuri. In almost every other kind of anime I watched at aleast one of the girls was getting steped on by the guy or was just plain stupid or a b***h. The guys were shallow and I hated that. After I watched Kannazuki No Miko, I couldn't go back to normal anime. Thus I am here.
Same here too. Couldn't have said it any better.

Undead Youthfulness


jounin_fetish

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:30 am


ffdarkangel
I love yuri because of the delacate romance. You can't get that in anything other than a yuri. In almost every other kind of anime I watched at aleast one of the girls was getting steped on by the guy or was just plain stupid or a b***h. The guys were shallow and I hated that. After I watched Kannazuki No Miko, I couldn't go back to normal anime. Thus I am here.


Hmmm. I totally agree, although I've never seen Kannazuki No Miko. I'll have to watch it though. Anyway, in straight anime, the girls are always portrayed as either submissive, bitchy, boy crazy, or stupid. Plus I hate the 'fixed gender roles' thing, and I love the delicate romance as well.
I went through a brief Yaoi obsession (which turned out to be just like het except more graphic. And with only 1 d**k...), but after I gave yuri a chance, I don't think I'll ever watch/read anything else. It just doesn't work.
PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:59 am


Maybe because between Girls and Guys, the girls are the ones who aim more for a series with some type of Love Relationship which happens to mostly come from Shounan-ai, Shoujo-ai or even Het.

With the Majority of guys (not all of them, because I know there allot who like Relatioshop series) Go after the action series, that don't have much hint of Relationships, Such as Neon Genesis Evangelion, Naruto, Bleach etc etc (those are just examples)

But then again thats just my theory u.u

D-i-v-a


Nasumi_Ail

PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 1:12 pm


I think what's attractive about them is that most homosexual couples are willing to risk every thing for the one they care for. I don't know but I just think that sometimes. To me...Forbidden love is one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen/heard/imagined/etc.

And maybe girls see that more, I don't know? XD.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:27 pm


Probably because they are more romatic and the love is purer, not like others which ar usually shallow and one night stand "love".

Mahadevi


Soul of Deflection

Newbie Noob

PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:04 pm


There is a time when I hate it. Now I love it. I found that yaoi is very good but I'm more into shonen-ai, where it is cute and fluffy. I love yuri too, but I do love Shojou-ai more.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:13 pm


I'd say that it's a relationship kind of thing that appeals more to girls than it does to guys. Guys are more into the action-type of genres of anime and manga, whereas girls are into the types that have more romance and deal with relationships. And Shonen-ai and Shojo-ai are usually just that, about the relationships. Girls just are attracted more to the idea of love in all forms, especially pure love like these stories usually portray.

Miko-chan the NekoZuki


Gay sexy Man slut

PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:43 am


Most guys don't like romance, and the ones that do are probably afraid to admit it. I myself heart shoujo ai but rarely ever admit it
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:51 pm


kageling
SoundByte
Of course, these generalizations are the most obvious differences. There's a very interesting article up here at Journalista about those differences and reviews a lot of yuri titles that are currently in scanlations. (You have to scroll WAY DOWN until you reach the section Comics Culture for the article). It's interesting how he considers the series Maka-Maka to be made for women while Erica Friedman's review of it (if you want to read it, I'll send a link via PM since it has very mild nudity) states how it's predominantly for men. I highly recommed the read.

Another interesting to note in the article states how Dirk Deppey (the reviewer) tried to push Eros Comix (an imprint of Fantagraphic's adult titles) to license Maka-Maka but to no avail because of it's low appeal to men. This says a lot about the state of the comics market and how it's still biased against titles for women and female readership which is a serious problem if the States still WANTS a comic book market to succeed.

Actually, when you mention Maka-Maka...

I really think that series strikes at both male and female readerships. I enjoy it myself as a gay female. The thing is, I really enjoy the relationship that Jun and Nene have. It's believable and the girls obviously have a very close connection, despite the fact that their bisexual-ish sex lives reflect a little more of a male-targeted fantasy.

The sex is possibly a little more male-targeted (and for those that are curious, there is sex in every chapter. EVERY chapter...), but things like...if you read the chapter one where Nene comments on Jun's two or three short nails? That's a kind of thing that I tend to believe that only lesbians think of. Males in general don't consider stuff like that. Or at least, they don't really seem to--everyone's surprised whenever I point out long nails as a not-likely-lesbian indicator.

A lot of the other personal issues that the girls face aren't really things that most guys seem to be able to empathize well with, either. They're very...girl, somehow. I dunno. They just are. The characters are written very convincingly female?? I can't think of how else to say it.

So I generally think that the series goes for both, possibly with a very empathic gay female influence in the writing.


Let me say this first and foremost.

Most heterosexual men whether they are aware of shoujou-ai/yuri existence enjoy it's concepts as well.

The basis of a man's mentality in a relationship is to reproduce which is why we love the physical aspects of a relationship, though I don't know WHY people think this has to be restricted to just sex. Kissing is physical, hugging is physical, cuddling is physical....

That said the only thing better than one female to a man is TWO females. The IRONY is that if neither is bisexual he doesn't have a chance to enjoy it beyond viewing and his hand. But he's just responding to his instincts. Unfortunately, the concept known as civilization that we live in is BIASED against acting on a good chunk of our instincts; having more than one mate, killing anyone whom you deem an enemy, stealing from others to benefit yourself. Without civilization and it's laws most if not NONE of these barriers would exist.

Now as for women. The statement on the table is that shounen-ai/yaoi & shoujo-ai/yuri is targeted at females.

Well my theory is this. Let's start with shounen-ai/yaoi. Needless to say that this is a relationship between two men. Now, though men let's look at the characteristics of the men depicted in this genre.

They're effeminated; long slender bodies, sharp faces, long and/or refine hair, and emotional. However, it's an ideal and for the most part only that. I consider shounen-ai/yaoi males a EMOTIONAL answer to futanari females. They possess qualities that females WISH men had.

I'm NOT saying that femals aren't realistic but everyonce in a while I hear these "far out" qualities some women look for in an ideal man. He has to speak 4 languages, have a 162 I.Q., have a muscular build, be into politics, graduate from Princeton, the latest model car, and handsome. This is a double-edged sword because some of these qualities CLASH with one another. A person is usually either a bookworm or a jock, VERY RARELY are they both and societie's grouping's doesn't permit a person to have "two families" so-to-speak. Not to mention that MOST people, let alone men alone don't come from families with the "monetary wealth" to provide them with some of these opportunities. Heck, you'd be hard pressed to fulfill these demands yourself but you'd have a much more realistic perspective of at least seeing them fulfilled at all by ANYONE.

The irony is that realisitcally, men aren't this way so they add the qualities that compliment their desire and personalites better so-to-speak. Likewise with a man desiring a relationship with two lesbian women it won't yeid much fruit in the form of physical involvement anyway, hell even just talking with them simply because gay men don't want anything to do with women in ANY aspect of a relationship.

Also, the fact alone that these men tend to be rather effeminate, not just in personality but build as well, I wonder if there is a base attraction to other women as well when it comes to women who are into yaoi. Which brings me to yuri.

Another woman has the emotional empathy for another woman because SHE IS a woman so of course that aspect of the relationship can be fulfilled withouth question. Maybe even the physical aspect as well if you're a woman who prefers the soft curvy feel of your own anatomy more than a man's hard, mascular anatomy. But the bottomline you have what you so desire the most in a relationship, the emotional qualities. However, if you're a bisexual female and love the emotional aspects of the relationship you share with a female spouse but prefer the physical aspect of male spouse well you've got a catch-22.

Now...if you've looked at my guild affiliates...

As you know...

...l'm quite keen on comic books.

Especially the ones about superheroes.

I find the whole mythology surrounding superheroes fascinating.

Take my favorite superhero, Superman.

Not a great comic book.

Not particularly well-drawn.

*takes a drink*

But the mythology...

The mythology is not only great, it's unique.

Now, a staple of the superhero
mythology is, there's the superhero
and there's the alter ego.

Batman is actually Bruce Wayne,
Spider-Man is actually Peter Parker.

When that character wakes up
in the morning, he's Peter Parker.

He has to put on a costume
to become Spider-Man.

And it is in that characteristic
Superman stands alone.

Superman didn't become Superman.


Superman was born Superman.

When Superman wakes up
in the morning, he's Superman.

His alter ego is Clark Kent.

His outfit with the big red "S" - that's the blanket he was wrapped in
as a baby when the Kents found him. Those are his clothes.

What Kent wears - the glasses,
the business suit - that's the costume.

That's the costume Superman wears
to blend in with us.

Clark Kent is how Superman views us.

And what are the characteristics
of Clark Kent?

He's weak...

...he's unsure of himself...

...he's a coward.

Clark Kent is Superman's critique
on the whole human race.

Sorta like a effeminate male and masuline female.

Oh, I'm a guy...and I like romance.

An effeminate homosexual male can wear worn the costume
of a female and a masculine female can wear the costume of a male.

But but they were born male and female respectively.

And every morning when they wake up, they'd still be male and female respectively.

They always have been, and they always will be.

Changing the way you dress...

...the effeminate voice or masculine voice...

...goin' to out with other men and or women...

...the gestures.

That's them...

...trying to disguise themselves as a woman or a man.

That's them tryin' to blend in with the female or male society.

But they're not a woman or man.

They 're a man and a woman.

And no matter how much they say they are or what they think they are

or how much surgery they get,

nothing in the world would ever change that.

So, if you're a female yaoi AND/OR yuri fan, both of which features the feminine aspects of a relationship, what does that say about what you're ultimately attracted to?

Kuroudo Akabane


Groovin Magic

PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:07 pm


I like shounen ai cuz it's cute and romantic same with shoujo ai, reading and watching stuff about hetero relationships gets kinda boring and repetitive after awhile thats another reason why I like shounen and shoujo ai...but most people think I like it cuz i'm a lesbo. (which is'nt true cuz i'm straight as a board)
PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:23 am


hermm. Well I like both so. The direct-tation failed xd .

UshiUshi


Turn the Paige

PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:19 am


Sir Hamilton
However on the contrary girls make most of the fanbase for most genres.
What do you think the reason is behind this is? Also, what was your idea of the main fanbase before you knew anything about either of the genres?


Both BL and GL fall under the Shojo genre, which is primarily romance. BL and GL are romance genres specifically targeted at girls/women. Why are women the primary target? Because women like romance, these are romantic fantasy genres where they can get a nice fix of sweet romance that they might not find in the typical heterosexual romance.

When I first started reading yuri, it was actually just girl on girl hentai written by a bunch of guys with no clue. I thought I was doing something naughty be reading such things. Later on, I've run into better stuff and have been enlightened. Girl Love isn't about the sex, it's about the love. heart
PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:26 pm


I prefer Yuri over most anything else. Though I do like yaoi as well. The romance found in both are definately what I'm looking for, and being a female (gay female) there targets usually hit on the mark. Over masculinity is a definate turnoff, in both personality and physique for me as well.

But even with this in mind, I will continue reading a series only if the storyline is believable, the characters have some depth to them, and even if there is a little angst. (What can I say, I'm a glutton for punishment at times) eek You can't say you don't enjoy yelling, at your yuri/yaoi/whatever, "Why! What is wrong with you, fool! Kiss them! ARGH!!!" and then when they finally do you practically swoon......heh, or maybe it is just me. ^_^;;

Oh, and there is that minor detail....the quality of the art needs to be good.

BesuNony


xBeefxTacox

PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:38 am


HighMagusKimina
I like shoujo-ai/yuri and only shoujo-ai/yuri. mad
I like anything with Gay people xd Yuri is my favorite though.
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