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 Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:29 pm
[gossamer]!smile. RMarques [gossamer]!smile. RMarques [gossamer]!smile. Adults get those too.
That point is moot. My point was that irresponsible people, that take no care at all should not be having sex. How is that moot? Also, wich one is more likely to be able to take proper care of a child as a single parent? A teenager that hasn't even finished school, or an adult, that has graduated from school, and can have a decent job? I never said no teenage parent did a good job. But I wouldn't be telling a lie if I said that a decent number of them aren't doing much of a good job, if any at all. Only want to address this point to start, as I am fixing to have to leave for a bit. And this is not going to be very hard to prove my point on. Due to the age, unless both those girls are emacipated minors, they are getting their help from their parents. That is a damn site different than 'doing it on their own' as you claim. There are exceptions, as has already been stated, in most every case. However, you are ignoring the norm. It is usually the grandparents that wind up raising these kids, not the kids that got pregnant.
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Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:11 pm
BlueCollarJoe [gossamer]!smile. RMarques [gossamer]!smile. RMarques [gossamer]!smile. Adults get those too.
That point is moot. My point was that irresponsible people, that take no care at all should not be having sex. How is that moot? Also, wich one is more likely to be able to take proper care of a child as a single parent? A teenager that hasn't even finished school, or an adult, that has graduated from school, and can have a decent job? I never said no teenage parent did a good job. But I wouldn't be telling a lie if I said that a decent number of them aren't doing much of a good job, if any at all. Only want to address this point to start, as I am fixing to have to leave for a bit. And this is not going to be very hard to prove my point on. Due to the age, unless both those girls are emacipated minors, they are getting their help from their parents. That is a damn site different than 'doing it on their own' as you claim. There are exceptions, as has already been stated, in most every case. However, you are ignoring the norm. It is usually the grandparents that wind up raising these kids, not the kids that got pregnant. Set is getting some help, but Sophie?
She's living with her boyfriend, Phil.
Her parent's are furious at her.
She doesn't get any help from them.
- The norm is only what society makes it.
It used to be normal to find a plantation full of slaves.
It used to be normal to see lynch mobs prowling the streets.
But as soon as we started preaching equality,
the norm has changed. And as soon as we start
preaching sexual freedom and equality-
things will follow through.
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[gossamer]!smile. Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:39 am
Quote: There are plenty of adults that do that, too.
It can't be proven who does it the most,
so we must assume that they both do it about the same amount.
This would mean that it has nothing to do with age,
but everything to do with the individual person. o_O Are you talking about adults doing that to adults, or adults doing that to teenagers? Because if it's the later, that was my whole point. Quote: Quote: And if you look around, i'm sure you'll find a lot of girls that actually believe their boyfriend is "the one" when they're both only 15, or whatever. Case in point: Many girls are naive, and people can take advantage of it. In many case that person happens to be older. Congratilations, you're a minority. Have a cookie. Quote: Quote: Any man? Prove or concede. Men can be childfree (meaning they don't want, nor will they ever want children), they can actually agree with the woman after the hype of the news calms down, and many other scenarios. It depends on the person. wink
I won't concede, but I'll rephrase. Any man in that scenario would take it harshly. The scenerio being he knocked up his girlfriend, he wanted to keep it and she wanted to abort.Ok then. Quote: Quote: Maybe, maybe not. We cannot be sure of that. While I agree with teaching proper sex ed soon (not at age 10 tough), I we cannot know for sure how many would actually listen, how many would be allowed to get the contraceptives, and many other possible scenarios.
There's enough of it to teach.
I think they should remove one elective class
and replace it with a mandatory sex ed. class.Sure, sure, however, quite a few parents aren't keen on the idea of their kids having sex ed, and knowing something =/= doing it. People are stupid unfortumently. Quote: Quote: Wich one is more likely to have a car to escape? the 13 years old, or the 25 years old? Wich one would be more likely to disarm the robber? The 13 years old, or the 25 years old? Should I feel honored? My point was, in this scenario, an adult can deal with an adult better than a teenager can, in most cases, in phisical strenght average adult>average teenager.
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:41 am
[gossamer]!smile. BlueCollarJoe [gossamer]!smile. RMarques [gossamer]!smile. I would like you to look up a girl on gaia known as xSetx. She's a fifteen year old single parent. She's doing a damned good job. Also, I have a personal friend named Sophie who is 16 and 20 weeks pregnant. She's doing everything she should be doing (going to the doctors, eating right, getting enough rest etc. etc.) by herself, and still going to school. I never said no teenage parent did a good job. But I wouldn't be telling a lie if I said that a decent number of them aren't doing much of a good job, if any at all. Only want to address this point to start, as I am fixing to have to leave for a bit. And this is not going to be very hard to prove my point on. Due to the age, unless both those girls are emacipated minors, they are getting their help from their parents. That is a damn site different than 'doing it on their own' as you claim. There are exceptions, as has already been stated, in most every case. However, you are ignoring the norm. It is usually the grandparents that wind up raising these kids, not the kids that got pregnant.
She's living with her boyfriend, Phil.
Her parent's are furious at her.
She doesn't get any help from them.
- The norm is only what society makes it.
It used to be normal to find a plantation full of slaves.
It used to be normal to see lynch mobs prowling the streets.
But as soon as we started preaching equality,
the norm has changed. And as soon as we start
preaching sexual freedom and equality-
things will follow through.The norm, despite what you are claiming, is the majority. Slave holders, as an example, is rather poor, as only the rich ever had them. That's like saying a Ferrarri Testarosa is a normal car. Lynch mobs have never been normal. You seem to like to attempt to bring up the worst case scenario, hence a styrawman, and always in a negative light, for whatever reason. ***** will, hopefully, never attain equality, because it is not possible in the vast majority of cases between a juvenile and an adult, as well as the fact that the child is not responsibile for themselves.
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:38 pm
[gossamer]!smile. ***** is the attraction to children. Ephebophilia has been defined as a sexual preference in which an adult is primarily or exclusively sexually attracted to adolescents. What is the difference between a child and an adolescent? Is it puberty or age, or both? Many say that ***** itself is a mental disorder, and it is even defined as one. But keep in mind that homosexuality was once labeled as a mental disorder as well.
What makes a ***** relationship bad? A thirteen year old and a twenty year old dating, and possibly being closer than that…what’s wrong with it? Ignorance isn’t an excuse. Children can learn about sex just as easily as adults can. Education is a great equalizer, and if we started teaching children about sex sooner, other than make them learn on their own, do you think they’d be better suited to handle a sexual or just emotionally deep relationship?
{I’ll add more later, trust me.
I’m experiencing writer’s block at the moment.} With regards to the bolded. Well I don't think that educating a person about sex any sooner, would help them deal with a sexual or emotional deep relationship. My reason, experience. No matter how much you study or comprehend something, how does that add to your experience of a subject? For example, if you wanted to leard how to ride a bike for the first time, and you studied how to ride a bike, and learned every aspect of the bike; would it help you ride the bike perfectly in the beginning? I don't think so, it takes time and practice to learn how to do something hands-on. So no matter how much you studied, you would still have trouble in the beginning; when you're trying to ride your bike for the first time. So with regards to the sexual relationship. If you had a child study the aspects of a good sexual relationship, how would that help them know what to do in that situation, when they are having sex? I mean they would know what the text told them, but they would lack experience, and the sexual relationship might now turn out so well. Though I remember reading something, about teaching children about sex early on; it was in a book known as Walden II (good book), Can't quite remember how it turned out though. So I'm basically saying, that textbook knowledge, isn't the same as experience, and therefore don't believe that teaching children early on in life would help them deal better with a sexual relationship.
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:39 pm
Lenoxx Cloudstrike [gossamer]!smile. ***** is the attraction to children. Ephebophilia has been defined as a sexual preference in which an adult is primarily or exclusively sexually attracted to adolescents. What is the difference between a child and an adolescent? Is it puberty or age, or both? Many say that ***** itself is a mental disorder, and it is even defined as one. But keep in mind that homosexuality was once labeled as a mental disorder as well.
What makes a ***** relationship bad? A thirteen year old and a twenty year old dating, and possibly being closer than that…what’s wrong with it? Ignorance isn’t an excuse. Children can learn about sex just as easily as adults can. Education is a great equalizer, and if we started teaching children about sex sooner, other than make them learn on their own, do you think they’d be better suited to handle a sexual or just emotionally deep relationship?
{I’ll add more later, trust me.
I’m experiencing writer’s block at the moment.} With regards to the bolded. Well I don't think that educating a person about sex any sooner, would help them deal with a sexual or emotional deep relationship. My reason, experience. No matter how much you study or comprehend something, how does that add to your experience of a subject? For example, if you wanted to leard how to ride a bike for the first time, and you studied how to ride a bike, and learned every aspect of the bike; would it help you ride the bike perfectly in the beginning? I don't think so, it takes time and practice to learn how to do something hands-on. So no matter how much you studied, you would still have trouble in the beginning; when you're trying to ride your bike for the first time. So with regards to the sexual relationship. If you had a child study the aspects of a good sexual relationship, how would that help them know what to do in that situation, when they are having sex? I mean they would know what the text told them, but they would lack experience, and the sexual relationship might now turn out so well. Though I remember reading something, about teaching children about sex early on; it was in a book known as Walden II (good book), Can't quite remember how it turned out though. So I'm basically saying, that textbook knowledge, isn't the same as experience, and therefore don't believe that teaching children early on in life would help them deal better with a sexual relationship. Teensy problem: Actual experience at a young age =/= textbook knowledge. We're talking about riding a bicycle to gain bicycle-riding experience. It stands to reason that the more experience, the more can be applied to future sexual relationships. There is at least one society that encourages a very different brand of sexuality, which allows for children to experience sex early, and frequently.
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:48 pm
[gossamer]!smile. ***** is the attraction to children. Ephebophilia has been defined as a sexual preference in which an adult is primarily or exclusively sexually attracted to adolescents. What is the difference between a child and an adolescent? Is it puberty or age, or both? Many say that ***** itself is a mental disorder, and it is even defined as one. But keep in mind that homosexuality was once labeled as a mental disorder as well.
What makes a ***** relationship bad? A thirteen year old and a twenty year old dating, and possibly being closer than that…what’s wrong with it? Ignorance isn’t an excuse. Children can learn about sex just as easily as adults can. Education is a great equalizer, and if we started teaching children about sex sooner, other than make them learn on their own, do you think they’d be better suited to handle a sexual or just emotionally deep relationship?
{I’ll add more later, trust me.
I’m experiencing writer’s block at the moment.} Well, according to Freud, every boy goes through the Oedipal stage of life, where he wants to kill his father and marry his mother. I don't think that this is a rational thought; I still think there is a certain age where you are responsible enough to make choices about such things. Some children can learn about sex, I had the 'sex talk' when I was 5, but that doesnt mean they are ready to make such decisions. I think I was capable of the decision when I did forst have sex, but that was when I was 13, not 8 or 9. While I do see your point, I also think there is a point where it is wrong.
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:52 am
Elf Lord Chiewn Lenoxx Cloudstrike [gossamer]!smile. ***** is the attraction to children. Ephebophilia has been defined as a sexual preference in which an adult is primarily or exclusively sexually attracted to adolescents. What is the difference between a child and an adolescent? Is it puberty or age, or both? Many say that ***** itself is a mental disorder, and it is even defined as one. But keep in mind that homosexuality was once labeled as a mental disorder as well.
What makes a ***** relationship bad? A thirteen year old and a twenty year old dating, and possibly being closer than that…what’s wrong with it? Ignorance isn’t an excuse. Children can learn about sex just as easily as adults can. Education is a great equalizer, and if we started teaching children about sex sooner, other than make them learn on their own, do you think they’d be better suited to handle a sexual or just emotionally deep relationship?
{I’ll add more later, trust me.
I’m experiencing writer’s block at the moment.} With regards to the bolded. Well I don't think that educating a person about sex any sooner, would help them deal with a sexual or emotional deep relationship. My reason, experience. No matter how much you study or comprehend something, how does that add to your experience of a subject? For example, if you wanted to leard how to ride a bike for the first time, and you studied how to ride a bike, and learned every aspect of the bike; would it help you ride the bike perfectly in the beginning? I don't think so, it takes time and practice to learn how to do something hands-on. So no matter how much you studied, you would still have trouble in the beginning; when you're trying to ride your bike for the first time. So with regards to the sexual relationship. If you had a child study the aspects of a good sexual relationship, how would that help them know what to do in that situation, when they are having sex? I mean they would know what the text told them, but they would lack experience, and the sexual relationship might now turn out so well. Though I remember reading something, about teaching children about sex early on; it was in a book known as Walden II (good book), Can't quite remember how it turned out though. So I'm basically saying, that textbook knowledge, isn't the same as experience, and therefore don't believe that teaching children early on in life would help them deal better with a sexual relationship. Teensy problem: Actual experience at a young age =/= textbook knowledge. We're talking about riding a bicycle to gain bicycle-riding experience. It stands to reason that the more experience, the more can be applied to future sexual relationships. There is at least one society that encourages a very different brand of sexuality, which allows for children to experience sex early, and frequently. That's just it though, future relationships. The ****** will not stay with the child once they have matured. They are merely being used during this time period by the ****** with little to no hope of a future tohether.
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[gossamer]!smile. Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:50 pm
King Seth Elf Lord Chiewn Lenoxx Cloudstrike [gossamer]!smile. ***** is the attraction to children. Ephebophilia has been defined as a sexual preference in which an adult is primarily or exclusively sexually attracted to adolescents. What is the difference between a child and an adolescent? Is it puberty or age, or both? Many say that ***** itself is a mental disorder, and it is even defined as one. But keep in mind that homosexuality was once labeled as a mental disorder as well.
What makes a ***** relationship bad? A thirteen year old and a twenty year old dating, and possibly being closer than that…what’s wrong with it? Ignorance isn’t an excuse. Children can learn about sex just as easily as adults can. Education is a great equalizer, and if we started teaching children about sex sooner, other than make them learn on their own, do you think they’d be better suited to handle a sexual or just emotionally deep relationship?
{I’ll add more later, trust me.
I’m experiencing writer’s block at the moment.} With regards to the bolded. Well I don't think that educating a person about sex any sooner, would help them deal with a sexual or emotional deep relationship. My reason, experience. No matter how much you study or comprehend something, how does that add to your experience of a subject? For example, if you wanted to leard how to ride a bike for the first time, and you studied how to ride a bike, and learned every aspect of the bike; would it help you ride the bike perfectly in the beginning? I don't think so, it takes time and practice to learn how to do something hands-on. So no matter how much you studied, you would still have trouble in the beginning; when you're trying to ride your bike for the first time. So with regards to the sexual relationship. If you had a child study the aspects of a good sexual relationship, how would that help them know what to do in that situation, when they are having sex? I mean they would know what the text told them, but they would lack experience, and the sexual relationship might now turn out so well. Though I remember reading something, about teaching children about sex early on; it was in a book known as Walden II (good book), Can't quite remember how it turned out though. So I'm basically saying, that textbook knowledge, isn't the same as experience, and therefore don't believe that teaching children early on in life would help them deal better with a sexual relationship. Teensy problem: Actual experience at a young age =/= textbook knowledge. We're talking about riding a bicycle to gain bicycle-riding experience. It stands to reason that the more experience, the more can be applied to future sexual relationships. There is at least one society that encourages a very different brand of sexuality, which allows for children to experience sex early, and frequently. That's just it though, future relationships. The ****** will not stay with the child once they have matured. They are merely being used during this time period by the ****** with little to no hope of a future tohether.
I met a girl I love. She said she loved me, too. We dated for four/five months (a long time for my age) and we wanted to break it off. She said she wanted to expirience other guys, and I said okay. I didn't have a problem with it because she wanted to stay friends in between. But then she never called or came around any more. So I just gave up.
Moral of story:
Teens are pretty much supposed to get their hearts broken at this age. It helps to make them stronger, more cautious, and more level headed.
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:01 pm
[gossamer]!smile. King Seth Elf Lord Chiewn Lenoxx Cloudstrike [gossamer]!smile. ***** is the attraction to children. Ephebophilia has been defined as a sexual preference in which an adult is primarily or exclusively sexually attracted to adolescents. What is the difference between a child and an adolescent? Is it puberty or age, or both? Many say that ***** itself is a mental disorder, and it is even defined as one. But keep in mind that homosexuality was once labeled as a mental disorder as well.
What makes a ***** relationship bad? A thirteen year old and a twenty year old dating, and possibly being closer than that…what’s wrong with it? Ignorance isn’t an excuse. Children can learn about sex just as easily as adults can. Education is a great equalizer, and if we started teaching children about sex sooner, other than make them learn on their own, do you think they’d be better suited to handle a sexual or just emotionally deep relationship?
{I’ll add more later, trust me.
I’m experiencing writer’s block at the moment.} With regards to the bolded. Well I don't think that educating a person about sex any sooner, would help them deal with a sexual or emotional deep relationship. My reason, experience. No matter how much you study or comprehend something, how does that add to your experience of a subject? For example, if you wanted to leard how to ride a bike for the first time, and you studied how to ride a bike, and learned every aspect of the bike; would it help you ride the bike perfectly in the beginning? I don't think so, it takes time and practice to learn how to do something hands-on. So no matter how much you studied, you would still have trouble in the beginning; when you're trying to ride your bike for the first time. So with regards to the sexual relationship. If you had a child study the aspects of a good sexual relationship, how would that help them know what to do in that situation, when they are having sex? I mean they would know what the text told them, but they would lack experience, and the sexual relationship might now turn out so well. Though I remember reading something, about teaching children about sex early on; it was in a book known as Walden II (good book), Can't quite remember how it turned out though. So I'm basically saying, that textbook knowledge, isn't the same as experience, and therefore don't believe that teaching children early on in life would help them deal better with a sexual relationship. Teensy problem: Actual experience at a young age =/= textbook knowledge. We're talking about riding a bicycle to gain bicycle-riding experience. It stands to reason that the more experience, the more can be applied to future sexual relationships. There is at least one society that encourages a very different brand of sexuality, which allows for children to experience sex early, and frequently. That's just it though, future relationships. The ****** will not stay with the child once they have matured. They are merely being used during this time period by the ****** with little to no hope of a future tohether.
I met a girl I love. She said she loved me, too. We dated for four/five months (a long time for my age) and we wanted to break it off. She said she wanted to expirience other guys, and I said okay. I didn't have a problem with it because she wanted to stay friends in between. But then she never called or came around any more. So I just gave up.
Moral of story:
Teens are pretty much supposed to get their hearts broken at this age. It helps to make them stronger, more cautious, and more level headed.****** relationships are different from equal relationships. It won't prepare the child for an equal relationship. Which presumably is what you want them prepared for.
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[gossamer]!smile. Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:57 pm
King Seth [gossamer]!smile. King Seth Elf Lord Chiewn Lenoxx Cloudstrike [gossamer]!smile. ***** is the attraction to children. Ephebophilia has been defined as a sexual preference in which an adult is primarily or exclusively sexually attracted to adolescents. What is the difference between a child and an adolescent? Is it puberty or age, or both? Many say that ***** itself is a mental disorder, and it is even defined as one. But keep in mind that homosexuality was once labeled as a mental disorder as well.
What makes a ***** relationship bad? A thirteen year old and a twenty year old dating, and possibly being closer than that…what’s wrong with it? Ignorance isn’t an excuse. Children can learn about sex just as easily as adults can. Education is a great equalizer, and if we started teaching children about sex sooner, other than make them learn on their own, do you think they’d be better suited to handle a sexual or just emotionally deep relationship?
{I’ll add more later, trust me.
I’m experiencing writer’s block at the moment.} With regards to the bolded. Well I don't think that educating a person about sex any sooner, would help them deal with a sexual or emotional deep relationship. My reason, experience. No matter how much you study or comprehend something, how does that add to your experience of a subject? For example, if you wanted to leard how to ride a bike for the first time, and you studied how to ride a bike, and learned every aspect of the bike; would it help you ride the bike perfectly in the beginning? I don't think so, it takes time and practice to learn how to do something hands-on. So no matter how much you studied, you would still have trouble in the beginning; when you're trying to ride your bike for the first time. So with regards to the sexual relationship. If you had a child study the aspects of a good sexual relationship, how would that help them know what to do in that situation, when they are having sex? I mean they would know what the text told them, but they would lack experience, and the sexual relationship might now turn out so well. Though I remember reading something, about teaching children about sex early on; it was in a book known as Walden II (good book), Can't quite remember how it turned out though. So I'm basically saying, that textbook knowledge, isn't the same as experience, and therefore don't believe that teaching children early on in life would help them deal better with a sexual relationship. Teensy problem: Actual experience at a young age =/= textbook knowledge. We're talking about riding a bicycle to gain bicycle-riding experience. It stands to reason that the more experience, the more can be applied to future sexual relationships. There is at least one society that encourages a very different brand of sexuality, which allows for children to experience sex early, and frequently. That's just it though, future relationships. The ****** will not stay with the child once they have matured. They are merely being used during this time period by the ****** with little to no hope of a future tohether.
I met a girl I love. She said she loved me, too. We dated for four/five months (a long time for my age) and we wanted to break it off. She said she wanted to expirience other guys, and I said okay. I didn't have a problem with it because she wanted to stay friends in between. But then she never called or came around any more. So I just gave up.
Moral of story:
Teens are pretty much supposed to get their hearts broken at this age. It helps to make them stronger, more cautious, and more level headed.****** relationships are different from equal relationships. It won't prepare the child for an equal relationship. Which presumably is what you want them prepared for.
Can you prove that equal relationships help prepare the child for future relationships?
It really depends on the person, if it helps them or not. So that's why I think that it should be up to the person to decide who they're going to pursue a relationship with.
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:47 pm
Well, I guess the main problem is the concern of the parent and/or truly the mindset of the child. That probably is why the criminal justice system is uneasy with.
If we want to describe ***** in the terms of the law, that's basically molesting a child. Now, that is the main problem. Children not even reaching adolescent age are being forced into sexual activity. That's why the law was established in the first place.
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:57 pm
Generally what I note is the supreme lack of evidence for both sides' assertions. So me and Iron Sole went over a system that could determine whether the system works. Its discussed here onward into the thread. A Relationship Maturity and Sexual Competency test.
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:46 pm
Certain aspects of this topic make me sick. I can understand a 17 year old dating a 20 year old or a 14 year old dating a 20 year old. Im fine with that for some reason. Its when I see a 20 or thirty year old man dating a 10 year old (yes it happens) It sickens me. This child hasn't even reached maturity yet.
On the adult dating 13 and up. I don't see a problem with it pending age restriction still stands. You can't date someone 3 years younger then you. This sucks because Im 19 and have found a very intelligent girl who is 15 that I wish to date.
No Im not with it because I want to date this 15 year old girl. Im just saying due to the laws of this. Some people are actually afraid to date someone under the age of 18! Heck alot of the people I know who are 18 are afraid to date a 17 year old!
I agree that teaching kids about it earlier could better prepare them for the future. Set them emotionally for a real relationship in the future. Even in high school senior teens were still very....childish? I think is the term that fits. Not emotionally attached. It was only puppy love.
A problem I do see with the class is. After these kids go through class whats to say they do not abuse this information?
Especially Pubesant boys looking to find out what sex is like. He could use this knowledge to trick a girl hes dating (Faking an Emotional attachment) and then just breaking up with her to have these attachments with others. Guess we weve created a pre-teen boy whore.
I know also that adults do this to but the classes might raise the possibility of more being "created" as Ill refer to it.
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:02 am
Its also important to point out that the entire sex education system would need to be overhauled for the RMSC system to work.
Has anyone gone and read about it yet?
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