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Indeed, abortion is killing a fetus, and taking away it's chance to grow up.

Yes, that is fact. But it's your opinion that abortion should be made illegal.



I agree that you should need a legitimate reason, but I think the choice should be available to everyone.

I hate the idea of someone getting an abortion on a whim, but you just can't restrict the people who can get abortions because it would make it harder for people who do have legitimate reasons and anyone can walk into an abortion clinic and say they were raped so I don't see this as a very good idea.



If you're pro-war or pro-death penalty, you're not pro-life you're pro-innocent life.

I'm pro-choice and I'm anti-war, and I most certainly don't support the death penalty.

I'm pro-choice because I don't think the state has a right to control women's uteruses (uteri? I'm sorry I fail at spelling right now). I'm against the death penalty because I don't think the state has the right to decide who lives and who dies. And war is just stupid. People are murdered and tortured for nothing, because there really is no such thing as war for peace. Look at the Iraqi death toll, are all of those people ruthless dictators and terrorists?



Because when it's wanted it's going to become a baby, and fetus is the correct scientific term.

The phrase 'unborn child' is an oxymoron, really. Either it's a child or it hasn't been born yet.



So you think animals have souls? Me too. -shakes hand-

I can't imagine why a fetus would be sent to hell.

And it's a scientific fact that we don't think during the early part of the pregnancy, there is no gray matter and therefore the fetus cannot acheive cognition until later.

Just an idea I came up with about thirty seconds ago, maybe the soul enters the body when it comes to the point of viability when it can survive without the mother, when it becomes seperate from her.

More likely is at the moment of conception, when the DNA plans are laid out.

But it depends on what you believe a soul is. Is it the energy, the life force within us? Or is it like our DNA, what makes us--well--us? Or is it our mind (not brain, mind)?

I suppose that would influence when you thought the soul enters the body, but if you said it was like a combination then we'd be back at square one.



I resent that, not everyone who recieves the death penalty is guilty and everyone who recieves the death penalty is capable of concious thought.

Yeah I believe animals have souls.*shakes hand* I think it is impossible to know the time of true birth, that is when the soul enters the body. First, we don't know what a soul is exactly. Just because a baby can't think is it souless? God knows, not us.
I think if the body without the soul is dead, lets assume for now, then maybe......I don't know. I don't think life begins when one can think or has a heart beat. The Jellyfish and some other animals have neither and yet they live. So the scientifical version of life and death don't seem right. I love it when nature or God baffles scientists. The Godly version of life and death, the soul entering and leaving the body, seems like a better explaination. So science might classify the living as having a heart beat or brain waves, so according to science then abortion should not be killing anything at a certain time.

According to God, well, we can probably never know that.

I'm pro-life all the way, no matter what the circumstances are. If you were raped, if the child was a product of incest or a one-night stand, that baby has a right to live. No child should die because of the inconvenience it would cause the parents. That's life- consequences happen.

Ever heard the phrase, "If God brings you to it, He will bring you through it"? If a girl is raped and becomes pregnant (which is highly unlikely, but not impossible), yes, it's traumatic, and yes it seems cruel and wrong that she should have to live with the constant reminder of the terrible event, but a baby is a baby. If she gives her fear and her sorrow to God, He will bring her through it, and the baby will become a blessing rather than a curse. If incest is committed and a baby comes along (don't those normally end up dying? I don't remember ), again, God will handle that situation. In the case of choosing between the mother's life and the baby's life, I would definitely vote for the mother to die. Okay, that came out alot harsher than I'd intended. But really, the mother has lived, has had her experiences, and if it's God's will to take her, then it's His will to take her. Now it's the baby's turn to forge a life for itself, to be another bearer of God's Light to a broken world. The mother had her turn, and yes it seems untimely, but that's the way the world works.

And I think we're all pretty much in agreement that abortion as birth control is wrong on so many more levels than any of us could even name.

Now, as far as when the soul enters the body- I believe a baby has a soul at conception, as soon as the cells unite and start dividing.

And I don't believe animals have souls, but that's another discussion for another time.

Brain death actually occurs after the heart stops. The heart is not as all-powerful as it's made out to be. It's just a pump. It pumps blood through your body. It's essential because the blood is essential. If the blood isn't pumped, your other organs die because they aren't getting blood pumped to them.

If our bodies were cars, the heart would be a gas station. The car needs gas to run, and if we didn't have the gas station the gas would not be pumped into our cars, but without the gas station the car can still run for a little while. The brain would be the driver, of course. And this analogy isn't going any further so I'll stop now.

A living creature must take in something to survive, and leave waste. A living creature must respirate, for humans that's breathing, but it can really just be gasses/liquid permeating through a membrane. And it must be able to reproduce somehow. I think those are all the life-signs.

Viruses are a big mystery, because they're not alive. No one knows where they came from. -twilight zone theme-

Anyway the fetus/zygote, whatever you want to call it at the clump of cells stage, is alive from the moment of conception. Both the egg and the sperm are alive, therefore the fetus is alive.

If a soul enters the body the moment life starts, conception would be the moment it entered. It sounds pretty likely.



Yeah. Sometimes I just want to go outside and shout at the sky "HEY GOD, MIND TELLING ME WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT?"

I'm pro-life all the way, no matter what the circumstances are. If you were raped, if the child was a product of incest or a one-night stand, that baby has a right to live. No child should die because of the inconvenience it would cause the parents. That's life- consequences happen.



If I was raped, I'd really want to keep the baby. That's just me.

But if I were somebody else, and the baby were a constant reminder that I was violated so cruelly, there is always the option of adoption.

I mean if you've already had the baby, and you can't even stand to look at it because it reminds of you of how it was concieved in the first place, it wouldn't be so horrible to give it up for adoption.

I know this is going to sound pro-choicey and not very nice, but I can't tell if you mean she's pregnant or has already had the kid when you just use the word 'baby' all the time. Because when I hear baby, I think infant. But you may be reffering to a fetus. I don't mean to be cruel, it would just be easier to understand if you specified whether you meant born or not born.

Anyway, if the mother would die in labor, but the baby would survive I would vote for abortion. Or C-section obviously if she wanted to have the baby but was then informed she would die if she gave birth.

Yeah, I know, it does seem cruel that I never gave the kid a chance, but you know the mother would be aware of her death, and so would every body else. People would miss her. No one would miss the fetus.

I would rather have been aborted than have my mother die because of me. confused

If both the baby and the mother would die if she had the baby, then I'm sure everyone can agree that abortion would be an okay option. I mean that's one person not getting the chance to live, rather than two people.

If the baby were already born, I'd have to say I'd rather have the mother die and the baby live. Most mothers would give their lives for their children anyway.

As for rape/incest, yes I think that the mother should be able to abort.

Regardless of my own personal beliefs on abortion, I will always be for keeping abortion an open option.



Abortion is always birth control because it controls birth, but I know what you mean.

It would be very wrong just to sleep around and not care about getting pregnant because they could always have an abortion. That is wrong.



I think it's likely, but it doesn't change my position.



I believe everything alive has a soul. I think bacteria have souls, I think the trees have souls.

I think humans give themselves waayyyy too much credit.

If it helps...

Viruses are strange because they are dead when they are not in contact with a living organism, then they are alive when they come in contact.