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Well, yeah. Like I ended with, there is an insane amount of replies to any Pro-Life post in the Debate. Mostly because there is usually one or two Pro-Lifers in at a time, while there are always tons of Pro-Choicers. If there were multiple Pro-Lifers in the Debate, in near the numbers of Pro-Choicers, it would be less of a problem.

Replying with the same replies to all of the posts will get you in trouble, because not only is it against the rules, but it is just annoying. Do not copy and paste your entire posts (as there was someone who did that a few month ago). I find it best, in long winded threads to go just sort of work your way there. A forum is not supposed to be about being on the last page, and multiple people in the Debate do respond to older posts until they get to the front page.

If you want to get a ton of attention, be a Pro-Lifer in the Debate, as everyone will show up to talk to you. Most of them will point out flaws in your arguments (be they spelling, logical, or what-have-you) but you will be quite popular in an infamous sort of way.

I think of it this way: Most of the Pro-Lifers who go into the Debate are not good debators. They'll use words incorrectly (or possibly use other definitions for words than the ones that I use, hard to tell) they'll make points they can't back up (or sometimes use websites as sources that don't back up the points they make or othertimes use websites that have no sources for the information the site shares). And for the most part, these Pro-Lifers are not (yet) in the Guild. So the resident Pro-Choicers really do rip their posts to shreds, and figuratively sharpen their claws. This gives many Pro-Choicers the idea that all Pro-Lifers are bad debators, and stupid (which is not true, though it is hard to tell in many pages of the Debate). So anytime an intelligent, well-written logical Pro-Lifer goes into the Debate, they are treated like the rest of the "rabble" Pro-Lifers.

Is it fair or right that some Pro-Choicers are rude or downright mean to Pro-Lifers in general? No. But by "hiding" (*grin*), that is to say, avoiding the Debate, you are by far making the problem worse. Pro-Choicers only deal with stereotypical Pro-Lifers, who make the same arguments over and over again (so much so that half of the replies are just quotes of previous replies) and so by now many of them really do believe that Pro-Lifers are all like the post-and-run debator that dare to come into the Debate.

Am I saying that everyone here should go into the Debate? No. I wouldn't if I were a Pro-Lifer. People are mean in there. I barely go in now, just because I have gotten so angry at how mean some of the post were getting (if one more person tells me that all Pro-Lifers hate women, bad things will happen - *grin*). Though it is slightly better now, slightly, at least from my point of view.

What do you think of the Pro-Life thread in ED? I haven't read all of it (though I was around for most of the first time it was active) yet, but it seems at least a little more civil.

I don't know what the solution to the problem is, other than just avoiding the Debate in the hopes that a few dozens of Pro-Lifers with mad debating skills will show up (which, if this happens would make me very happy, as I would get to debate with them).

Just because one does not go into the Debate does not mean that one is brave. I was simply trying to say that it takes an especially brave Pro-Lifer to go into the Debate.

I am not inferring that anyone is not brave. I have no idea if you are brave or not. I don't even know you. For all I know, you kill giant radioactive rats with your bare hands eight times a day, or you are scared to leave the closet you live in, or you are twelve feet tall and eat only live bears.

If there were a number of Pro-Lifers in the Debate that was near the number of Pro-Choicers in it, and all were able to debate equally well, it would be a completely different thread. A handful of amazing, wonderful, brave, splendid, pretty, charming, other compliments, Pro-Lifers who manage to go in occasionally and debate in there is wonderful, but isn't going to change things anytime soon.

Like I said in my second post, I don't blame any Pro-Lifers for avoiding the Debate, if I were Pro-Life I wouldn't go in either. I'm really hoping for a team of like professionally trained Pro-Life debators to show up and help out. If only because I would get the pleasure of debating with them.

In conclusion, everyone everwhere is increadibly brave, all of the time.

*grin*

Waters, the best advice I can give oyu on this subject is to perhaps quite while you are ahead. I took the same offense IAm did, and I still take offence to what you're saying.

You just can't see...or refuse to see...what we do. The majority of those in the debate thread arnt debating. They are giving their opinoin and then shuttign themselves down to anythingese and attackign any one who challanges them. The make snide comments but expect us to show them some kind of respect. When ever they flame us they expect to get off scot free, but when we flame them we get a mod called on us. They give us unfounded titles like "anti-choice" and "anti-woman" but expect us to call them by what they want to be called.

It dosn't take any amount of bravery to go in their, Waters. None at all. It takes pasceince. And quite frankly, we've lost ours.

We're on touchy subject matter, guys.

Play nice.

heart

Tolerance = love.

Well, for a start, their age is completely irrelevant. Sure, they may have been having "unaderage sex", however you define it, but that still doesn't affect the abortion issue.

I work full-time. And I try to have a life besides work and Gaia. That's my excuse...

ED? what is this forum? or thread. where is it?