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 Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:54 am
Kamikazek-Z Mistic Gohan's never fought against Broly. neutral Or is that the whole point and you're useing some kind of wierd logic I can't understand?
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:10 pm
The point I'm making is that Broly has a ratio of win.
He has a weakness, yes, but if not exploited, he could win.
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:59 pm
Was not Bruly secound move after Buu? Becus Vandell was with Gohan at the time, so yes I do think Gohan was a Mistic at the time. Tell me how that is wrong, if i am wrong. Till then I think I prove that He was Mistic Gohan.
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:01 pm
Mr.Mxyzptlk Kamikazek-Z Mistic Gohan's never fought against Broly. neutral Or is that the whole point and you're useing some kind of wierd logic I can't understand? Broly was after Buu, was he not, last time I looked Vadell and Gohan did not get together till after the Buu misshap. So that makes it so Gohan was, and is a mystic. Tell me How I am wrong if I am.
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:08 pm
Brolly predates Buu but existed after Cell since in the first movie it was Teen Gohan and Mirai Trunks fighting him with the others. Now, Brolly the scond coming occured after Buu since Goku was alive, but I don't recall Mystic Gohan ever being present in that one.
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:09 pm
Mr.Mxyzptlk Brolly predates Buu but existed after Cell since in the first movie it was Teen Gohan and Mirai Trunks fighting him with the others. Now, Brolly the scond coming occured after Buu since Goku was alive, but I don't recall Mystic Gohan ever being present in that one. Thats COol I find a clip of it. If i can.
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:36 pm
The movies don't realy fit into the timeline at all, so it's impossible to acurately find an exact spot in which they took place, tough I was always under the impression that it took place right before the tornament at the begining of the Buu story arc. And no, Gohan is definitly not Mystic in that movie because he goes SSJ and Mystic Gohan either can't go SSJ or is stronger when not a SSJ. Also note that it's possible that it was the weakened Gohan who hadn't trained for years, tough I dought it since he isn't much stronger than SSJ1 teen Gohan who got Clobered by Broly.
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:54 pm
Kamikazek-Z The movies don't realy fit into the timeline at all, so it's impossible to acurately find an exact spot in which they took place, tough I was always under the impression that it took place right before the tornament at the begining of the Buu story arc. And no, Gohan is definitly not Mystic in that movie because he goes SSJ and Mystic Gohan either can't go SSJ or is stronger when not a SSJ. Also note that it's possible that it was the weakened Gohan who hadn't trained for years, tough I dought it since he isn't much stronger than SSJ1 teen Gohan who got Clobered by Broly. SO you think it takes place wen Gohan is training Videl how to fly? Around that time. Becus it seem that Gohan and Videl seem to be a couple in the movie, like I sed that only happen after Buu. But then it can be a nother world nother quantum reality.
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Saiyan Master Vegeta Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:43 pm
Darkphoenix last time I looked A Mystic Gohan is a little above a SSJ3, and A mystic Gohan did not faze Broly, yet a SSJ3 was able to hold his own agenst kid Buu. Mystic Gohan never fought Broly. In the first and second movie, Gohan was merely SSJ. And for the record, Gohan being a teen, knowing Videl, and having a younger brother at that point proves nothing towards Gohan being Mystic during the second Broly movie. It's a completely different timeline, which does not completely fit into the regular Dragonball Z timeline.
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:55 pm
rikeen90 But isn't the only reason Broly lost, because he had already been injured? I was under the impression he was one of the most powerful beings in DBU, and his downfall was just plot loop/luck. In the second movie? Yes, Broly was not at full power, and did not enter his Legendary form, which is why 3 Super Saiyans defeated him, when it took 4 Super Saiyans + Piccolo to defeat him last time. And yes, Broly is way up there with some of the most powerful DBU characters. I'm estimating that his power is roughly equal to that of a SSJ3, rivaling him with characters such as Goku, Gohan and Kid Buu. His loss was simply to follow up on the Z Fighters' dominance.
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Saiyan Master Vegeta Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:00 pm
Kay, but i meant that his first defeat was because of the already present scar on his abdomen.
I always thought he was one of teh strongest, maybe over ssj3 was an overstatement. But still, he's one hell of a guy.
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 8:12 pm
Yeah, Broly's high on the list. But it's Buu's regeneration ability that's going to win him this match. Broly dishes out more power than Kid Buu has been shown to, but I don't think it outmatches a galaxy-gathered Spirit Bomb, which ultimately defeated Buu.
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Saiyan Master Vegeta Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:53 am
::hasn't read the entire thread just yet::
::pipes in::
Strength
Chibi Buu has a fixed level of strength...this doesn't seem to go down unless he overexerts himself, as is evident with each Buu we see. They all have intense stamina, but even they can run low on it, which effects their strength; this was seen when Chibi Buu tore into Mr. Buu like nobody's business, and he lost almost all of his energy.
Brolly has endless strength and stamina...his power can't go down no matter how much of a beating he takes or dishes out, and he receives periodical increases in strength when using his Legendary Super Saiya-jin transformation. These increases in strength are shown in Movie #8, in which he receives two such power-ups, though they are small.
In raw power...at first, Buu will be in th'lead. Even by Deity's theoretical little study, Buu is more powerful than Brolly by a significant degree. Brolly is stronger than most of the other Buus, all other in-canon villains before them, and a few other Buu saga characters, such as Mystic Gohan and SSJ 3 Gotenks. But the versions of Buu that fused with those characters are more powerful than Brolly by a lot.
However, as stated, Brolly gets periodical power-ups, and would eventually grow much stronger; enough to kill Buu. That's not to say he'd be helpless until then....Mr. Buu, who was much weaker than Brolly, was able to survive a long while with durability that pales in comparison to Brolly's. He'd just be taking a lot of abuse...of course, not selling it, as he never really reacts to attacks. Brolly'd likely look to be an even match unless he and Chibi Buu started hurling energy attacks at eachother, which could do some damage to'im.
Endurance/Durability
While it took Son and his sons (no pun intended) each performing Kamehamehas to overpower Brolly's attack, he hadn't gotten any stronger since the last movie due to his injury. He likely was statistically stronger (Saiya-jin tend to do that), but his injury perhaps kept him from utilizing it (as it stopped him becoming stronger more so). If he was at full power, that probably wouldn't have worked...
It also took a hell of a lot of power to destroy Buu, but Deity's convinced that there was a massive degree of overkill involved. The Genki Dama was easily several dozen times stronger than Buu, so it's no freaking wonder that he was obliterated without effort...Deity guesses that it'd take only a bit more oomph to finish Buu off in a single shot than it would for Brolly.
Buu's endurance is in his regeneration: anything he survives partially, he'll survive completely. Brolly's endurance is in just his insane durability...he's taken full-powered Kamehamehas to the face and really not noticed, while those attacks have ripped into Buu like hot knives through butter. They may be even overall, but in actual durability, Brolly takes it easily.
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...so, in Deity's opinion, it could go either way. If Brolly fights the good fight long enough to get some real oomph behind his punches, he could pull off that big green glowy-ball of death attack and decimate Buu. By th'same token, if Buu can harness enough power of his own and hit Brolly with it, he could take'im out...though it'd have to be a lot, and Chibi Buu in particular tends to avoid death blows, opting to just beat the crap out of his opponent. The scar Brolly has - his one and only ouch-able spot - isn't known by Buu. If he hit it, it'd be an accident, and afterward Brolly would likely defend it if Buu went for it again.
Until the definitive death blow, neither opponent will really show any damage, unless Buu does if Brolly gets the upper-hand. Deity gives the edge to Brolly for this one, though he can technically lose just as easily.
A few fun facts:
---None of the movies can actually take place. The only one that could possibly occur timeline-wise (#10) can't because it is based off of #8, which can't occur. #8 takes place during the Cell game, or briefly before it. #10 can take place any time shortly after Videl cuts her hair.
---Mystic Gohan has no business being as strong as SSJ 3 Son....there's really no evidence supporting it. ::can explain if asked:: He also never could've fought Brolly, movie- or canon-wise. Mystic Gohan and base form Gohan look very distinct from eachother anyway - it's very obvious that he is in base form in Movie #10.
---Brolly's big bulky form is a form of its own...it's pretty much a given that a character weaker than Paragus (who was weaker than Vegeta) couldn't use a form that was only physically better than Vegeta's and completely pwn him without injury or effort. 'Sides, there is plenty of evidence to disprove the theory of Brolly's form being that of the SSJ Stage 3 (aka Ultra Saiya-jin) transformation that Trunks used against Cell...
Like these: the power-ups, the green aura, the consistently white eyes, the lack of speed-reduction (never once is he outmaneuvered), the hellacious increase in power, the utter lack of stamina and strength loss, his ability to remain unharmed after beating the five strongest warriors of the galaxy into the dirt like little girls, and other such abilities.
---The event in the anime where base form Vegetto battles evenly with Super Buu defies canon, and technically can't happen. Base form Saiya-jin are complete wimps, which is why he transformed into a SSJ immediately before taking Buu on in the manga. That said, Super Vegetto is the most powerful character in Dragon Ball canon, even if you considered the movies as canon. Though this fight doesn't involve him, Super Vegetto could make any verison of Buu or Brolly his b***h.
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:27 am
Sure Buu can get tired from fighting, but I thought that when he gets blown to gust and comes back he's completely rejuvinated.
As far as Goku could tell the Geki dama wasn't overkill on Buu, as he keept saying "it's not enough, it's not enough" untill just a little previous to when it was at full power.
Why yes, I would like you to explain why Mystic Gohan isn't as strong as SSJ3 Goku. I certanly agree that there's no even romotely good evidence stateing that mystic Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Goku, but there's no evidence that SSJ3 Goku is stronger than Mystic Gohan. Not to mention the fact that Goku has a hell of a time maintaining SSJ3 and Gohan only expends as much energy as he would in base form when Mystic.
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:38 am
Don't forget Broly never gets weaker. He only gets stronger as he fights.
We may have overlooked this in our struggles.
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