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 Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 8:57 pm
hmm im not much of a tarot pro, and I suck at readings for other people.
But I don't take what my cards tell me to seriously.
When I do my readings, I do them all about my current situations, possible outcomes of choices, better understanding myself, that sort of thing.
Even if the cards could apply to anything, They help me to look at myself differently, to think things through. Look at things from another's eyes, a different perspective.
I don't look too much into how they work or anything like that, I don't spend too much time trying to figure out any science behind them. They aren't high-tech, they aren't made for that sort of thing.
I just take what I can from them, and i think it makes me a better person.
So what you say may be right, but that's not the point of the cards. the point is to get a better look at things.
at least that's the way i see it.
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:38 pm
gamemaniac . First off, let us look at a card spread that I have done about my job life. The bolded and italicized words explain why they are vague. One is not to look into their own life by way of the TAROT. That is the second thing I learned of it. It is time that you have been illuminated. The same goes for anyone else who has posted in here without pointing that out. For shame.
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:44 pm
Haden Luna gamemaniac . First off, let us look at a card spread that I have done about my job life. The bolded and italicized words explain why they are vague. One is not to look into their own life by way of the TAROT. That is the second thing I learned of it. It is time that you have been illuminated. The same goes for anyone else who has posted in here without pointing that out. For shame. Yes, let's point out other people's mistakes in an egotistic tone to make ourselves feel better. If you're the only person who knows about, perhaps you've been misinformed. Just a thought. The skeptics subforum isn't for bitter comments on skeptical posts. It's for intelligent discussion. If there's something you have a problem with, contact a mod. Or attempt to deal with it yourself in a calm manner.
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:04 am
DrasBrisingr If you're the only person who knows about, perhaps you've been misinformed. Just a thought. Good god Dras, you get my Seal of Approval for that and practically everything I've ever seen you post. Not that I'm in awe of you or anything. @Haden: S'perfectly acceptable to use Tarot as a means of introspection and one's own 'destiny' and what have you, unless you have some bit of dogma that proves once and for all it must'nt be used that way. And to paraphrase Starlock, yeah, I think the fact that we can attach and twist metaphors and meanings around really easily is something that contributes to the whole vague-ness of Tarot. For example, when thinking on the concept of "battle", one could consider the diet one is on to be a 'battle', as could a divorce settlement, an exam, a deadline, and so on.
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:16 pm
Mitsh DrasBrisingr If you're the only person who knows about, perhaps you've been misinformed. Just a thought. Good god Dras, you get my Seal of Approval for that and practically everything I've ever seen you post. Not that I'm in awe of you or anything. Yay for seals. And I'm glad you're not "in awe of [me] or anything." I'm not exactly awesome.
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:21 pm
Haden Luna gamemaniac . First off, let us look at a card spread that I have done about my job life. The bolded and italicized words explain why they are vague. One is not to look into their own life by way of the TAROT. That is the second thing I learned of it. It is time that you have been illuminated. The same goes for anyone else who has posted in here without pointing that out. For shame. Wow... who came up with THOSE rules? Here I did tarot for years, read every book I could find on the subject and I was *still* doing it wrong. Thanks. rolleyes *sarcasm light is now off* There is NO rule that says you can't do readings for your self. Never has been. I would argue, in fact, just the opposite... readings for yourself would be the LEAST vague. Now, back to the original purpose of the thread: I don't think that it can necessarily be said that Tarot is utterly false, but you have to really understand the idea behind it. People call it divination, but I don't treat it like that. It can't tell you the future... not in any direct sense. However, consider this: Ask a question... any question that you might normally address when doing a Tarot reading. Now, without looking at a deck, come up with as many possible outcomes for that question as you can. Hard, huh? A deck has 78 card, each with a variation attached to it, each interpretation of which can be influenced by whatever other variations are around it. On its own, you have a minimum of 78 possible outcomes, and realistically, many more. What you end up with is not so much a tool of divination, as it is a tool of opening your mind to perceiving alternate solutions, and therefore, alternate paths. Now, ask your question, and run out the cards. Look at the outcome its provided you. Is it one you came up with on your own, or did it surprise you. Does it make no sense? Are you thinking about that card, and trying to fit its interpretation into the question at hand? You could be subtly guiding yourself, or your client, along a path they (or you) never actually considered. Your mind has been opened to the possibility, so now you're watching for it... so when something happens that fits the card, you can point at it and say "See? It worked!" Now, don't get me wrong, this isn't actually a bad thing. Quite the contrary, its an AMAZING way to approach knotty problems. It gets you thinking in new and creative ways. It doesn't so much predict the future as it makes you aware of *potential* futures. ... Uh... I'll go back to lurking now...
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:24 pm
First off... a friend of mine and myself have had small friendly debates and arguments as to how to read Tarot cards...
I first introduced the Tarot to him when I got my dragon Tarot for myself... he was amazed at how much he was getting from the cards when using them himself... and was "jealous" about the cards I would constantly get if he tried to do readings of me.
I got him his own starting deck... it's a set of small cards and a book, along with a mat for putting a certain spread on.
He disregarded all of that, chose to ignore what he had previously done, and took some website that had all sorts of information, and he was explaining to me about not looking at the meanings per se, but instead to try to just get the meaning as you yourself would interpret it.
I still use the book that came with it... after reading the meaning in the book, I look, and I sort of get an overall message afterward.
Something else I practiced was, for the longest time, drawing a single card, recording I got that in my journal, and type about the previous day.
I began to notice... in the previous day whatever it was I typed out... I would find some relation to the card of that day I was typing.
As in...
draw card, do day, sleep, journal with another card, but the card before had something with the journal today... sweatdrop
I'm not one to argue another's perception of the cards though... my friend explains that the cards don't actually do the work... they are a tool to your subconscious because you do actually know where each card is... so you end up with ones to point out things.
To me though... I've gotten answers and information I was seeking, and help with things. So, to me it does seem to work. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:30 pm
On the surface, I completely agree that tarot can often be so vague and generalized that practically every reading will have enough "hits" on every person to make them seem accurate.
However, I think that the OP is also falling into the trap of generalization. That is:
Not all cardreaders are made equal!
A GOOD diviner should not be vague. If you are paying someone money, they should be able to give you specific details and useful information about your life or the question you asked for the reading. If they can't they're either not advanced enough to be reading professionally, or they're frauds.
These people are rare, but I think it is irrational to dismiss the possibility of their talent just because not many people get to that level of divination, just like it would be irrational to dismiss the possibility of a person painting something like the Mona Lisa just because you've never had the good luck to meet such an incredibly talented person before. Whew, run-on sentence. xd
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:40 pm
I agree. It's all just vagueness that could mean a very wide range of things. That's why it doesn't go into specifics- It's hoping that YOU fill in the specifics when given very common titles to put them under.
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